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Elite 110 Inch Gray Screen with 1.5 Gain - GOOD?

Elite 110 Inch Gray Screen with 1.5 Gain or something else? Looking for professional look of Theater room, but with limited budget.

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Elite 110 Inch Gray Screen with 1.5 Gain or something else? Looking for professional look of Theater room, but with limited budget.

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I have one. It's an excellent screen. Are you building a dedicated theater room, or are you putting it in a light colored living room? It's a great living room screen, but just an okay theater screen.
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I have one. It's an excellent screen. Are you building a dedicated theater room, or are you putting it in a light colored living room? It's a great living room screen, but just an okay theater screen.
I am building a Theater room. What else do you recommend for a Theater room screen? Dont want to spend too much though. Please let me know, if something is available with in limited Budget.

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I am building a Theater room. What else do you recommend for a Theater room screen? Dont want to spend too much though. Please let me know, if something is available with in limited Budget.
The answer depends on what your budget is. How much are you looking to spend for a screen?
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The answer depends on what your budget is. How much are you looking to spend for a screen?
As of now, I am at $500; but what would I need to spend to get great screen? Do I need to spend several grant for it?

I am a novice, so just trying to understand.

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As of now, I am at $500; but what would I need to spend to get great screen? Do I need to spend several grant for it?

I am a novice, so just trying to understand.


You could go DIY screen, this forum is full of info for that.I would imagine spending 500 on a DIY screen will get you more value then buying a $500 screen.

I spent just over a grand on my Elunevison 4k unity screen. I really like it, nothing to complain about, so if you could save between 1000-1500 you can get yourself a really nice screen.

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You could go DIY screen, this forum is full of info for that.I would imagine spending 500 on a DIY screen will get you more value then buying a $500 screen.

I spent just over a grand on my Elunevison 4k unity screen. I really like it, nothing to complain about, so if you could save between 1000-1500 you can get yourself a really nice screen.
DIYs are always a disaster with me; so I stopped trying it out.

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DIYs are always a disaster with me; so I stopped trying it out.
Try an Elite Cinewhite fixed frame or a Vapex screen. They both go between 300-400 dollars. I've personally seen them both. Good screens for the price. I've been told Silver Ticket screens are very good also.
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Try an Elite Cinewhite fixed frame or a Vapex screen. They both go between 300-400 dollars. I've personally seen them both. Good screens for the price. I've been told Silver Ticket screens are very good also.
Are you aware of any good gray screens in that range? Coz, my installer highly recommended to get a Gray screen with 1.5-2 Gain.

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Are you aware of any good gray screens in that range? Coz, my installer highly recommended to get a Gray screen with 1.5-2 Gain.
This is why i first asked you if you're putting the screen in a living room or a theater room.
The purpose of a gray screen is to help preserve a projector's black level in a less than ideal environment like a living room, or to help with contrast from projectors with poor black levels, or both.
The purpose of a high gain screen is to amplify the light output of a projector to overcome the washout effect from ambient light.
A high gain gray screen will do all three of these things.

In a room with light walls and ambient light (like a family living room), such a screen makes it possible to get a satisfactory picture where a low gain white screen would give an unwatchable picture.

All of the great things a high gain gray screen can do in a room with poor light control, are exactly the things you don't want a screen to do in a dedicated theater room.

In a dedicated theater room, your projector may need only half, or even a third of the amount of light output it would need in a lighted room. So a screen that amplifies the projector's light output 50-100 percent (1.5-2.0 gain) would be uncomfortably bright. Plus the elements of the screen that gives it a high gain (like nano mirrors or glass beads) will produce a sparkling effect during a bright scene that calls attention to itself to a much greater degree in such a dark room.
Also, a high gain screen works by concentrating light towards the center of the screen. The higher the gain, the more light you get at the center of the screen, and the less light you get at the sides of the screen. So your ideal seating position is at dead center of the screen, while other people sitting at the sides will get a dimmer picture.
In a dedicated theater room, the room can get so dark the gray color of the screen does very little to help with contrast because even a white screen can get as dark as needed. Also, a gray screen will give you duller whites compared to a white screen.

For these reasons, i wouldn't recommend a high gain gray screen for a dedicated theater.

However, some people's definition of a theater room may be a room for the purpose of using the projector, but still does not truly qualify as a dedicated home theater. If that's the situation you're in, then it will explain why your installer advised you to go with a high gain gray screen.
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This is why i first asked you if you're putting the screen in a living room or a theater room.
The purpose of a gray screen is to help preserve a projector's black level in a less than ideal environment like a living room, or to help with contrast from projectors with poor black levels, or both.
The purpose of a high gain screen is to amplify the light output of a projector to overcome the washout effect from ambient light.
A high gain gray screen will do all three of these things.

In a room with light walls and ambient light (like a family living room), such a screen makes it possible to get a satisfactory picture where a low gain white screen would give an unwatchable picture.

All of the great things a high gain gray screen can do in a room with poor light control, are exactly the things you don't want a screen to do in a dedicated theater room.

In a dedicated theater room, your projector may need only half, or even a third of the amount of light output it would need in a lighted room. So a screen that amplifies the projector's light output 50-100 percent (1.5-2.0 gain) would be uncomfortably bright. Plus the elements of the screen that gives it a high gain (like nano mirrors or glass beads) will produce a sparkling effect during a bright scene that calls attention to itself to a much greater degree in such a dark room.
Also, a high gain screen works by concentrating light towards the center of the screen. The higher the gain, the more light you get at the center of the screen, and the less light you get at the sides of the screen. So your ideal seating position is at dead center of the screen, while other people sitting at the sides will get a dimmer picture.
In a dedicated theater room, the room can get so dark the gray color of the screen does very little to help with contrast because even a white screen can get as dark as needed. Also, a gray screen will give you duller whites compared to a white screen.

For these reasons, i wouldn't recommend a high gain gray screen for a dedicated theater.

However, some people's definition of a theater room may be a room for the purpose of using the projector, but still does not truly qualify as a dedicated home theater. If that's the situation you're in, then it will explain why your installer advised you to go with a high gain gray screen.
Thanks for the detailed info. I checked with my Installer and he specified that the 1.5 Gain Gray screen will be the best fit for my room for the below reason.

My room is Narrow (21x12); so there is no question of looking at the screen side wards. He specified that White Screens are good enough with 1.0 gain, but 1.5 gain Gray gives the best picture, specifically for my Narrow room.

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What color are you planning for the walls and ceiling of your room? That has a large impact on a screens performance and what screen you should use.
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What color are you planning for the walls and ceiling of your room? That has a large impact on a screens performance and what screen you should use.
Used to be Beige on the Walls and White for the Ceiling.

I just got everything painted (walls & ceilings) in "Otter"

I got that painted as per the Installers recommendation; as he specified that he strongly recommended getting it painted with dark color.

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Elite 110 Inch Gray Screen with 1.5 Gain or something else? Looking for professional look of Theater room, but with limited budget.

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Just keep in mind that the actual gain from the screen is 1.0 on axis and 0.82 off axis, so you are not getting a brightness boost. You will get better black levels and you will not be losing brightness, like you do with typical gray screens.

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Just keep in mind that the actual gain from the screen is 1.0 on axis and 0.82 off axis, so you are not getting a brightness boost. You will get better black levels and you will not be losing brightness, like you do with typical gray screens.
Oh! ok. How is the curved screen? Is that any better than regular? Any suggestions on the below screen?

http://www.amazon.com/STC-115-G-Silv.../dp/B00MOYAOLU

or this seems to give me $200 savings on the screen. How is this? Is this any good?
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Oh! ok. How is the curved screen? Is that any better than regular? Any suggestions on the below screen?

http://www.amazon.com/STC-115-G-Silv.../dp/B00MOYAOLU

or this seems to give me $200 savings on the screen. How is this? Is this any good?
http://www.amazon.com/STR-169112-G-S.../dp/B00I4WSYTK
I would never do a curved 16:9 screen. You use a curved scope screen with an A-lens.

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With walls that dark I don't know why you need a gray screen, narrow room or not.
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I would never do a curved 16:9 screen. You use a curved scope screen with an A-lens.
Can you route me to a link that has a similar screen that you were referring to?

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With walls that dark I don't know why you need a gray screen, narrow room or not.
He recommended that for much better picture; not that white is bad, but he said that the Gray is better than the White.

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Gray is better for contrast, not better for color accuracy and whites. I agree with Sonyad. With your newly painted dark room, a gray screen would be more of a disadvantage than a white screen.
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Gray is better for contrast, not better for color accuracy and whites. I agree with Sonyad. With your newly painted dark room, a gray screen would be more of a disadvantage than a white screen.
Ok, Do you guys recommend any of these below ones? (or) can you please route me to the links that you recommend?

http://www.amazon.com/STR-169112-Sil.../dp/B00HZTELUO

http://www.amazon.com/Elite-Screens-.../dp/B00366TZ3S

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Ok, Do you guys recommend any of these below ones? (or) can you please route me to the links that you recommend?

http://www.amazon.com/STR-169112-Sil.../dp/B00HZTELUO

http://www.amazon.com/Elite-Screens-.../dp/B00366TZ3S
If you want to stay below 500 dollars, those are two good choices. Never actually saw a Silver Ticket screen, but i've been told by a number of people that it's a good quality screen for the price. As is the Elite.
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If you want to stay below 500 dollars, those are two good choices. Never actually saw a Silver Ticket screen, but i've been told by a number of people that it's a good quality screen for the price. As is the Elite.
Ok, do I have better choices, if i increase my budget, except DIY type; as that really doesn't work with me.

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I Know you said DIY is a no go for you but you really should try a AT Spandex Screen like in the link below its very easy, very cheap and the pictures speak for themselves.

110" DIY Spandex AT Screen

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Can you route me to a link that has a similar screen that you were referring to?



He recommended that for much better picture; not that white is bad, but he said that the Gray is better than the White.
Rather than type it out, I am just going to copy and paste a quote from Gary Lightfoot:

"Anamorphic lenses can add some pincushion to the image so it will look larger at the edges than in the middle. A curved screen cancels this out and is the main reason they're used.

With a non anamorphic image the curved screen will cause some barrel distortion (middle is larger than the sides because the sides are closer to the lens than the middle), so you'll have to zoom the image larger to hide the curves. There may be some difference in focus between middle and sides because the pjs primary lens is designed to focus onto a flat surface. How visible (if at all) this will be I couldn't say.

You can get some advantage of added brightness IIRC because the curve is helping to aim the light back towards the seating area. Plus, some people think curved screens look cool."

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Thanks for all your inputs guys!!!

I ordered the below screen, last evening. Once Installed, I will let you know how it looks.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HZTELUO/

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I have one. It's an excellent screen. Are you building a dedicated theater room, or are you putting it in a light colored living room? It's a great living room screen, but just an okay theater screen.
Why are all the reasonably priced grey screens I find fixed frame? Doesn't it stand to reason that something like a living room is exactly where you want the screen to be out of sight when not in use? I'm looking for something similar to this but retractable. I'd like 110-120" and it will be in my living room. Any suggestions?
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