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I am building a DIY screen using Dazian tensioned PVC, and was wondering if anyone has ever tried painting on a black border. I would probably use Ultra Flat Black spray paint....

I thought maybe the vinyl would stretch and the paint might flake off, which would be bad...

The spray would be simpler than making an extra frame and/or border out of some other material.. I suppose duvatyne tape would be just as easy, but there have been reports here of it not sticking too well...
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I tried masking and painting a border but it bleeds under no matter how hard you press it down. This gives a ragged edge and looks horrible.
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All I can tell you is, Da-Lite apparently painted some matte black material onto the surface of the High Power fabric, in order to execute my custom masking. I have no idea how they carried it out, but it was certainly a "professional" job. And I doubt they would be willing to share the know-how.

So, at least it can be done.
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After my post, I tried out some Ultra Flat Black spray paint (I think it's called "America's Finest"... A Home Depot house brand made by Rust-Oleum) on a small sample of the material. I didn't have any problem getting a nice straight edge. Just masked it with tape and paper. When it dried, I just pulled off the masking, and the edge looked pretty good to me... not ragged at all.

The problem I DID see though, is that the normally VERY flat black paint appears not-so-flat on the vinyl. Perhaps a second coat might let the "Ultra flat" surface come through? Perhaps another paint might work better? Any suggestions? (Some of the masking will be hiding the black bars when viewing 2.35:1, so it really needs to be as light-absorbing as possible...)
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Duvetyne tape is a safer bet than painting. It's flat black and absorb light better than flat black paint. It comes 2" to 6" wide and can be up to 75 yards per roll.

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Anyone know of a Canadian merchant for Duvetyne?
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Use flat black "Auto Interior Paint", it comes in a spray can and you can buy it at any auto paint store. best of all, it is made to be used on Vinyl or fabric like Black/out cloth.
Mask your edges with masking tape and it wont bleed under.

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I just painted my screen with Rust Oleum Vinyl spary paint.
Turned out pretty good. Edges were not straight at first, but I fixed that problem with White Out. Now, the edges are as straight like if it was done professionally. Check out my thread "I just painted black masking on my pull down screen".

I'm a cheapo, that's why I decided to do it this way. I only spent less that $5 for the spray paint. And used other materials that I had at home to finish the job.

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Looks like an excellent job, James!
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I went out and bought some of that auto interior vinyl paint. The one I got was Plastikote Black. A word of warning: Although not stated on the label, this is a GLOSS finish.... I have since learned that PLastikote also makes "Flat Black", which I assume is flat, but the place I went to only had one "black"... Be sure to look for "flat".. I will have to hunt around for a source for the flat stuff.

Other than the gloss finish, it seemed to work pretty well.. MUCH better than regular spray paint. On my sample, the regular paint area I painted a few days ago is STILL rubbing off. The vinyl paint is nice and dry, and makes it look like the vinyl itself is actually black. Even retains the texture of the underlying vinyl material. Edge masking was not as crisp, though. The paint seems to have wicked under the masking tape a little, and looks a bit ragged. I will have to work on a solution, perhaps similar to the white-out idea, to resolve that..
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This info is straight from Stewart Film Screen. I needed to change the image size of a Stewart screen they recommended "Benjamin Moore Black 215 80 Premium Interior Latex". Works great even on a motorized screen.

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The black latex might work on a roll-down screen, but I don't think that it will stick very well to raw vinyl (often used on tensioned screens...)
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This is the paint they use on all their screens.

Image is everything! TJ.
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