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Seymour-Screen Excellence Enlightor-Neo AT Screen at CEDIA 2017

The Seymour-Screen Excellence Enlightor-Neo acoustically transparent screen material improves upon the already excellent Enlightor-4K.

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No prices given? It's great that the entire system cost $100K. But what percentage was the screen?
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It's about time it made it over to the states.

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I'm curious to know the price also because that screen paired with the Wolf Cinema 5000 easily one of the best demo i seen all day.

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The Seymour screen Excellence screen was fairly expensive when I checked in with Seymour a few years ago. Perhaps worth it. I believe at the time I was looking at around 9-10K for the 4K (enlightor) AT screen. The 0.8 gain was concerning to me since I have a fairly large screen (14ft wide 2.4). I'm sure it's worth it though.

The unfortunate part of Center Stage XD for me was visible light was passing through the screen and I couldn't pixel focus which killed it for me. I think nobody else would notice, but I was constantly watching to see if I was losing detail because of that - I think the 4K material probably does not have that issue.

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Scott, did you learn the price of the Trim masking system?
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We were the cheapest product in the room. The prices are not set by the material but rather by the hardware package you get. Therefore, the Enlightor-Neo pricing is the same as other materials. As a reference, the ~140"w 2:1 ratio screen displayed with the Reference Frame would retail for $5176 shipped, minus the T-stand legs used for the room.

The Trim masking screen is available and starts at $5k. A consumer-direct version will be on the Seymour AV site soon, but we are making them currently.

For those that are concerned with through-holes, the Enlightor-Neo, like the Enlightor-4K, does not have any through holes. The sound permeates through channels within the fabric and therefore there is no loss of information from the projected image. You can still see interpixel gaps and the stem dimples in a DLP pixel if your optics are good enough. The only change in response is amplitude (e.g. gain), which is not information per se, but rather a matching of the projector to the application.

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Thanks for the info Chris. I hope to learn more and have a Seymour screen and frame options in my next theater. I'll even make the drive over the Ames to pick it up!
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So is this different than the Neo-S material that Screen Excellence had available?
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I thought this screen material looked outstanding. The picture looked very clean and artifact free with the Wolf version of the JVC RS4500 ! And I like the masking system !





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So is this different than the Neo-S material that Screen Excellence had available?
No, it's the same. They'd designated "S" because of the small size limitation, which was ~6ft tall image. We're not going to designate its size, because now we're weaving it at ~10ft tall size. No need for any "small" designations, and we have the PRO for the sizes larger than that.

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No, it's the same. They'd designated "S" because of the small size limitation, which was ~6ft tall image. We're not going to designate its size, because now we're weaving it at ~10ft tall size. No need for any "small" designations, and we have the PRO for the sizes larger than that.

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Chris would you recommend that I move to the Neo material from my existing XD material since I am about to buy a Sony 4k projector? Can you quantify the difference between the two? Maybe the Neo allows for 25% better resolution on screen?

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Chris would you recommend that I move to the Neo material from my existing XD material since I am about to buy a Sony 4k projector? Can you quantify the difference between the two? Maybe the Neo allows for 25% better resolution on screen?
There aren't quantitative differences in resolution between the XD and the Neo, since none of our materials have pixel-eating through-holes. As for qualitative differences, the viewing distances are typically the main factor in deciding this. The questions beyond the number, since you already have the XD, is "how" it looks to you at your distance. Are you seeing any artifacts such as texture?

Some people think the XD gives a "sharper" image because its pvc coating has a look to it. Similarly, some people think the Neo looks sharper because it's finer, tighter, but uncoated threads will otherwise have a more film-like look. I've heard feedback on both sides as to what's "sharper," but the two big signposts I'd flag you with are: 1) how does it currently look for you, and 2) if you're bumping your brightness up 20% then the gain differences are nullified, the Neo otherwise doesn't have any compromise that I'm aware of.

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There aren't quantitative differences in resolution between the XD and the Neo, since none of our materials have pixel-eating through-holes. As for qualitative differences, the viewing distances are typically the main factor in deciding this. The questions beyond the number, since you already have the XD, is "how" it looks to you at your distance. Are you seeing any artifacts such as texture?

Some people think the XD gives a "sharper" image because its pvc coating has a look to it. Similarly, some people think the Neo looks sharper because it's finer, tighter, but uncoated threads will otherwise have a more film-like look. I've heard feedback on both sides as to what's "sharper," but the two big signposts I'd flag you with are: 1) how does it currently look for you, and 2) if you're bumping your brightness up 20% then the gain differences are nullified, the Neo otherwise doesn't have any compromise that I'm aware of.

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I am not seeing the texture from my 12'6" eyes-to-screen first row distance but I did notice a slight decrease in sharpness when I went from the Stewart Filmscreen Studiotek 100 to the XD. What is the published gain of the Neo? Sounds like it is less then the XD and that might be an issue for me since I like to run in low lamp mode due to fan noise.

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I am not seeing the texture from my 12'6" eyes-to-screen first row distance but I did notice a slight decrease in sharpness when I went from the Stewart Filmscreen Studiotek 100 to the XD.
This is exactly my experince too, i have a 133" diagonal Studiotek-100. When compering with a large XD-sample there is a loss of sharpness on the XD-screen, and also light/picture shining thru the XD-screen like it is transparent. The Studiotek-100 is of course a very smooth/solid surface, maybe not a fair contest, but i find it very hard to give up on the Studiotek-100 once you have seen the difference.

You just can't have both, speakers behind the screen and also have a Studiotek-quality to the image with the same screen. That said, i think XD is probably the closest screen to ST-100 you can get today.

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Unbenchmarked, the Enlightor-Neo would be 0.8 gain.

J.P, you should investigate the Neo then. Perhaps you'll perceive its image quality as sharper. I know that it resolves inter-pixel line gaps in the JVC/Wolf UHD projector, and stem dimples in DLPs with quality optics. It doesn't have any through holes, although there are several "solid" screens that still have translucence. No one publishes translucence specs as they're not meaningful.

I argue you can have both, you must have both, the mastering studios have both, and receiving the Best of CEDIA award reflects that we did just that.

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Unbenchmarked, the Enlightor-Neo would be 0.8 gain.

J.P, you should investigate the Neo then. Perhaps you'll perceive its image quality as sharper. I know that it resolves inter-pixel line gaps in the JVC/Wolf UHD projector, and stem dimples in DLPs with quality optics. It doesn't have any through holes, although there are several "solid" screens that still have translucence. No one publishes translucence specs as they're not meaningful.

I argue you can have both, you must have both, the mastering studios have both, and receiving the Best of CEDIA award reflects that we did just that.

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Ok Chris. Where can i get a Neo-sample, i dont think there is a norwegian dealer anymore ? And if i understood you correctly seymourav.com dont plan to sell Neo screens ?

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Unbenchmarked, the Enlightor-Neo would be 0.8 gain.

J.P, you should investigate the Neo then. Perhaps you'll perceive its image quality as sharper. I know that it resolves inter-pixel line gaps in the JVC/Wolf UHD projector, and stem dimples in DLPs with quality optics. It doesn't have any through holes, although there are several "solid" screens that still have translucence. No one publishes translucence specs as they're not meaningful.

I argue you can have both, you must have both, the mastering studios have both, and receiving the Best of CEDIA award reflects that we did just that.

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It is interesting you mention translucence. I remember testing a Vutec Pearl screen IIRC. It lit up the wall behind the screen. At the time, I wondered what effect it would have on the image. I haven't thought about it till you mentioned it.

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Ok Chris. Where can i get a Neo-sample, i dont think there is a norwegian dealer anymore ? And if i understood you correctly seymourav.com dont plan to sell Neo screens ?
I can mail you a sample, as we support our S-E colleagues when possible. I can include a sample of the Center Stage UF too, as it's similar to the Neo, perhaps enlarging its features by twice. How the Neo looks at 1m is about how the UF looks at 2m.

As for procuring a Neo screen in Norway, it would be available somehow through S-E. I'm not familiar how, as our attention is on servicing the North American market.

If you like the UF material, we ship direct to Norway. Please PM your address and material request to jon.seymourav@gmail.com

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I can mail you a sample, as we support our S-E colleagues when possible. I can include a sample of the Center Stage UF too, as it's similar to the Neo, perhaps enlarging its features by twice. How the Neo looks at 1m is about how the UF looks at 2m.

As for procuring a Neo screen in Norway, it would be available somehow through S-E. I'm not familiar how, as our attention is on servicing the North American market.

If you like the UF material, we ship direct to Norway. Please PM your address and material request to jon.seymourav@gmail.com

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Thanks Chris, i have sent an e-mail to Jon.

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Hi Chris
I haven't got any response from the mail i sent Jon. How do i precede regarding Neo sample ?
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