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post #1291 of 1309 Old 10-09-2014, 08:57 PM
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Initial impressions were a bit disappointing.
The 1.0 gain Reference material is significantly "duller" than the 1.4 gain Carada, even after recalibrating the brightness and contrast....
It appears I will have to retract that statement. Perhaps the month of exclusive ZT60 viewing "dulled" my senses.

A "split-screen" comparison test Between the Carada BW 1.4 and the Reference 4K 100 revealed little difference in brightness or color accuracy.
The Carada is slightly "warmer", but the Reference 4K 1.0 certainly holds it's own against the Caradas's 1.4 gain.

The Reference 4K is the upper half of each photo, the Carada is the lower portion.
There is no photoshop or any other editing other than to reduce size. The Carada screen was simply placed in front of the Reference 4K.
Camera was a Nexus 5, handheld, from the viewing position at 13'. (a bit of a lazy test setup, but color accuracy was not the goal, just a subjective comparison.)

I'll proceed to re-calibrate against the Reference 4K with a fresh lamp and then provide some actual measurements.
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My 100" Reference 4K 100 motorized screen arrived within 3 days from Eastporters. ........


I was surprised by the amount of light passing through the screen...this material seems suited for rear projection, as well as front projection.
Very curious as the Elunevision web page for this screen material says: "opaque material to block light from opposite side"

Opacity can be a critical factor in some installations. It could be a big problem for some buyers if their page was inaccurate on this count.

Any elaboration appreciated.

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I have a 60" plasma tv 2' behind my 106" Elunevision Reference 4K screen and with the tv on in a darkened room I can not see any light coming through at all. My screen is not the audio transparent one.
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Well.. I suppose "opaque" is a subjective term.
I was not surprised that light passed through the screen, just expected less.

I have a couple of sconces, from the Uptown Theatre prior to it burning in 1960, on either side of the screen that served as accent lighting. They must now be left completely off.
Fortunately my stage area is all red oak with 3 applications of Cabernet stain, making it very dark behind the screen and to the sides.

My screen comes down about 6 inches in front of the plasma.
The ZT60 has much lower reflectivity than past plasmas, due to some new screen bonding process.

So far, I have not noticed any reflections off the plasma back to the screen during normal viewing.

My only concern is that I have not been able to set the gamma higher than 2.0 on the first couple attempts. (the gamma controls are not very good on the PT-AE2000u, so I'll have to work at the hard way....they were greatly improved on later models).
A blanket over the plasma will quickly confirm if there is an issue with reflections washing out the picture enough to effect the gamma measurement.

Looking at the photos, you might be thinking OMG!, but the setup is biased to record the light through the screen, and the ZT60 is set to 30fL.

The first photo is looking behind the screen from the side...Ref4K on the right side, plasma panel on the left.
The second photo is taken from the seating position, with 75% Color bars on the plasma behind the screen, which has 0% White projected on it.
Third photo has 100% Green Full field pattern on the plasma.
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Wow, that is a lot of light shining through. When my Samsung 60" plasma is on there is no visible light bleeding through from the back. In looking at the back of the screen while watching a movie, I can see the image from the projector through the back but it is quite dim. Reflected light from the plasma screen 2' away would probably not be noticeable.

I tried putting a bright flash light (one of those 3 LED types that you can hardly look into) a few inches behind the screen and I did see it shining through. The screen isn't completely opaque but under normal viewing conditions I don't think there is a problem imho.
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While opaque may have more than one definition, this is the first from dictionary.com

"adjective
1.
not transparent or translucent; impenetrable to light; not allowing light to pass through."


Your photos certainly show a large amount of light passing through a screen which is advertised as "opaque material to block light from the other side"

If one was using a drop down screen in front of a window, or a mirror, this would be a deal killer. Based on the advertising, the buyer would certainly assume otherwise.

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EluneVision screens

Does anyone know if there are any distributors that have a demo of the Elunevision 4K Reference electric tension in Southern California? I would love to see this screen.


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How does the Elune Vision AT screen compare to the Seymour XD center stage screen?

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I have had a terrible experience owning an Elunevision screen. I have owned the screen for 16 months (4 out of warranty) and, upon the first mechanical issue, I contacted the service department to see if they could instruct on how to self adjust the screen (it randomly would no longer sit flush in the assembly any longer). After conversations and emails (where I repeatedly had to chase the service department for response) they a) provided improper advice and b) provided the wrong service manuals. Based on their offered advice, I attempted to self adjust the screen and dislocated the screen bar from the assembly. When I then contacted the company to suggest it was dislocated they offered as their only solution a service call with a fee of $250 plus taxes. In short, this is not a company that stands behind it's product or serves its customers well.
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Anyone have any issues with the velvet covering on these elunevision screens? I have ordered a 125" reference 4K screen but am not happy with the spray on velvet covering. First frame I got had a hole in the box and the velvet was scraped off a corner of the top frame piece and had marks on the bottom frame piece. They sent me a new top and bottom, but there are marks on these pieces as well. Am I being too picky to expect uniformly black velvet frame pieces or should I expect some imperfections on a $1300 screen? I haven't put together and assembled it yet as I'm debating on asking them to try and send me two more frame pieces, using the best looking ones that I have now, or sending everything back and just going with a vapex screen.
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To respond to the last two posts:

1. We try to help every customer, whether screen is outside of the warranty period or not. This is our statement and we always try our best to do this. The customer’s screen was working normally, but he just need his limits adjusted - he did not know how to do this. We spent many hours on the phone with the customer, re-explaining how to do this (which typically all of our customers do without guidance by following a couple of easy steps from the manual). We explicitly told this customer to use the provided wand to adjust the limit switch - but for some reason he decided reach into the housing with his hand and dislodge the roller from the housing and called us back to tell us this is what he did and what the result was. The customer then asked us what to do, at this point, it was become very obvious to us that this customer needed professional service. We offered him a very reasonable rate of $250 CAD to come in and service the screen (given that it is over 3 hours driving a cargo van filled with replacement parts/equipment to and from our offices, and would take over 3 hours of our technician’s time on top of this, essentially taking up the technician's full work day to drive and repair). He did not agree to this. Honestly, I don’t know what we could have done any differently in this case.

2. We never want the customer to compromise. The first screen that was shipped had a hole punched into the box by the shipping company. We offered replacements immediately. Please contact us through our website to let us know what imperfections you are referring to on the velvet so that we can help you with this issue. We have not received any emails regarding this and we don’t heavily monitor forums. If there are issues with the screen, please contact us directly through the website, and it will be dealt with quickly.

At the end of the day, we want every customer to be happy with our products and we do what we can to help everyone. We go out of our way to make everyone’s experience a positive one. Over the years, we have demonstrated this again and again. Keep in mind that for every person who has an issue, there are hundreds of other customers which encounter zero issues with the screen - they simply install it in their home, enjoy their home theater and never have to discuss, write or think about a projection screen again in their lifetime.

It is of course impossible to have 100% of our screens to arrive to the customer in perfect shape (whether due to shipping damage or otherwise) but we have an extremely low rate of screen issues. We know it's frustrating to the customer when he is one of the rare unlucky ones, and when a customer does contact us with a problem through our website, we respond very quickly to ship a new screen or eliminate the problem encountered.

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I have three elunevision screens (92" Triton pulldown, 92" Triton motorized and 106" Reference 4K motorized), two that I ordered from Eastporters. I have had no problems with any of the screens and Eastporters has shipped quickly. I am a happy customer and would not hesitate to order from them again.

This post is not to minimize others that have had problems. I just wanted to post my positive experience.
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I have three elunevision screens (92" Triton pulldown, 92" Triton motorized and 106" Reference 4K motorized), two that I ordered from Eastporters. I have had no problems with any of the screens and Eastporters has shipped quickly. I am a happy customer and would not hesitate to order from them again.

This post is not to minimize others that have had problems. I just wanted to post my positive experience.
Can you tell me what the difference in performance is between the Triton and 4K screens? I would love to be able to compare these screens, but there does not appear to be any place to do so.
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In switching to the 4K screen the colours seem a little richer but the image is not quite as bright. The Triton screen has a gain of 1.2 compared to 1.0 on the 4K. In a darkened room this is not a factor. Blacks are a little darker as well. The picture also looks a little sharper but it is not a huge difference for me. My source is mostly Netflix so with a BluRay picture the difference may be a lot greater (I don't have any BluRay discs). But even with Netflix, the picture is very good (with my Mitsubishi HC-5 projector, Oppo BDP-95, Iscan DVDO VP-50 Pro and Darbee Darblet).

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So, no hotspotting or sparkles with the triton screen then?
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None that I noticed.
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That's good to know, thanks. The only 'budget' screen I have seen so far had hotspotting on lighter scenes. While it's something I could probably live with, it would be nice to avoid.
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How does the Elune Vision AT screen compare to the Seymour XD center stage screen?
I would be curious as well to hear any comparisons or comments between these two screens.
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I would be curious as well to hear any comparisons or comments between these two screens.
After receiving no response from an EluneVision rep, I went with a Seymour screen (even though I am in Canada) and couldn't be happier. Chris@seymour was able to answer all my questions both in the forum and via phone/email.

Customer service is a big part of buying a screen, especially when spending over 2k for tab tensioned, electrically retractable AT screen.

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