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Yesterday I finally hung my completed Black Flame Light Fusion screen. After it was hung my wife and I were in complete awe. We both couldn't believe what we were seeing. The picture looked sooo good and even with the lights on and sunlight leaking into the room from the two large windows it retained its contrast and the picture seemed to pop out, almost 3Dish. Hard to explain.

We have 2 large windows with blinds but they still leak a ton of light into the room. We also perfer to watch regular TV with the lights on. This BFLF application totally fit the bill.

I ran into some issues early on in the application process applying the mix on to thick. See my posts here. After many detailed conversations with MMan he was able to remedy the issue and put me back on track. I also appreciated MMans instructions on how to Wrap Velvet Around Mitered Edges. This really made my frame look professional. I really really appreciated it. The same goes with PB. He was always there answering any questions and offering great advice. Thanks again.

I've yet to totally calibrate my Infocus 4805 but from what I have seen so far I am again blown away with the results compared to my bare white wall.

For reference I am using a refurbed Infocus 4805 on low power mode projecting from 14' from a sofa table to a 94" BF SuperLite screen [5/12/2006 mix] (2oz of color components) applied with a roller onto MDF with an 1:.5:.5 UPW gloss:MinWax:Water base coat.

I've included some pics of what the picture looked like on my plain wall in the same perspective. Take these for what it's worth.

Again, thank you sooo much MMan and PB. You two really add superior value to the DIY screen scene. Anytime you're in the central Ohio region, let me know. Beers will be waiting for you .






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OMG, I think I just soiled myself.

Looks great mynym! That's about as much ambient light as I have in my living room currently.

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I found these images laying dormant on a Photo server, forgotten and neglected.

Must have been an oversight or sumpthin'?












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I should have posted the others too but I took those weather channel/Nemo pics before I focused the 4805 properly. As you can see from the pics they look a little out of focus. Sorry I'll take some more soon.

This week I have to re-setup my HT around the new screen and play with the features of the Infocus 4805. I should probably start reading the 500,000 posts on the massive 4805 thread for tips. Anyone got a good primer for it?

I'm using an OTA HDTV tuner and such there isn't much HD content broadcasted over the weekend. I'm looking forward to watching Leno tonight. If I can pry myself away I'll snap a few pics.
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Didn't I post in this thread?

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Didn't I post in this thread?

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Yeah you did. Yesterday. For some really strange reason I checked this thread this afternoon and all of the responses were removed. Not sure why or how.
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Hmmm, I posted last night as well. I requested a dark room shot, I see that it handles ambient light VERY well, how does it look in the dark? Any shots available yet? I have a Silverscreen screen now and will probably get around to the top coat this weekend, or next but who wouldent want bigger and better?
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Thanks MM for posting mynym's pics for him.
I still have a small request of seeing half the image projected on the wall and half on the screen if that is not too much too ask .


Looks good mynyn.
What kind of mirror do you have on your Black flame Light fusion ?

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Wow, I need to do some research. Those light levels look similar to what I deal with during the day and this may be the perfect screen for me. Looking at the ingredient list and directions kinda scares me though.

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Thanks MM for posting mynym's pics for him.
I still have a small request of seeing half the image projected on the wall and half on the screen if that is not too much too ask .


Looks good mynyn.
What kind of mirror do you have on your Black flame Light fusion ?

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There is no mirror involved....., it's a primed and BF-Super Lite painted wall.

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Why are you posting pictures of other peoples work?

This is exactly the kind of nonsense that must stop. This is what makes this look like an infomercial. This is why people get on your case.

You said you would try a little harder.

How about taking the first step and deleting the stuff you posted, and showing us that this indeed isnt an ego trip, or a sales pitch.

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Thanks MM for posting mynym's pics for him.
I still have a small request of seeing half the image projected on the wall and half on the screen if that is not too much too ask .


Looks good mynyn.
What kind of mirror do you have on your Black flame Light fusion ?

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I'm actually using 1/2" MDF primed with 5 coats of 1:1:1: UPW Gloss:MinWax Poly:Water

As soon as my camera charges back up and I get my HT back together I'll snap a couple of pics of some Stewart samples next to my BFLF. Expect to seem them sometime later this week.
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Maurice

Why are you posting pictures of other peoples work?

This is exactly the kind of nonsense that must stop. This is what makes this look like an infomercial. This is why people get on your case.

You said you would try a little harder.

How about taking the first step and deleting the stuff you posted, and showing us that this indeed isnt an ego trip, or a sales pitch.

I could do that, but mynym will only put 'em back up again, or something similar or even better. It was done in a "Tongue in cheek" manner, with mynym's knowledge and foreberance.

Access to those images were in fact provided to me by mynym, and he himself did not post them because they were not what he considered good enough. He "refrained" out of "consideration" so I posted them, warts and all, feeling that by doing so, no effort to make the application look "too good' was being made.

If you try hard enough, you can find fault with anything/everything I do, ya know.

Consider this; If you would have me stop posting any images altogether, either of my own work (...even with no mention of a "client") or that of work done by others freely shared with me, you are effectively asking me to stop posting altogether. What I do post is intended to help others see the results they can obtain using the same methods I myself advocate as being correct and do-able.

I'm a different animal than most anybody else on this Forum, and I traipse through a different landscape. I'm trying, and will continue to try to avoid the pit traps you and others say lie in my path, but I will not let those "warnings" castrate my right to present information in the best manner possible to relate to others. If that means posting images at times, that is gonna happen.

Was my posting of how to wrap velvet a crime. Under your guidelines, it would seem to be considered as such. I've posted a bunch of info on another AVS Forum about the installation of Tactile transducers, including images, and have received only plaudits and "thank yous", and be certain I make $$$$ on those applications.

No one begrudges info they can use themselves at their own choice when it's given with the right intent in mind. Except here, where my efforts have indeed attracted far more attention, both good and bad.

BTW, If I myself possessed a FP venue at home, (...which I do not because of a unique Barn Home with very low Kneewalls) and did all my "own" screens there and then posted the results, by your reasoning even that would transgress upon your idea of "promotion", even if no mention was made of my doing such to provide myself with the experience to do the same in business, while at the same time doing such to help others feel confident in trying the same for themselves.

And why? because I own a business where I do the same thing for others for income? That more people on this Forum fail to see a conflict or issue with that is very, very plain.

Of that, I have no doubt.

But even so, I do not fail to take note of your objections, especially when worded in a decent manner. More Flys with Sugar isn't just a metaphor.

Your strong feelings are noted, and even respected, but they are not entirely fair or evenhanded in their expectations. I can make a concerted effort to refrain from mentioning "business', but to state to me that because I'm fortunate enough to have such a business, and thereby to not be allowed to share my methods and results with the DIY community is going to far down a personal road toward censorship and the denial of the same rights afforded to anyone who creates a DIY application, who believes it to be a good one, and "promotes" it as being such. Promotion does not mean "selling" in every instance. In DIY, it means believing in your work and efforts. Many here are "guilty" of exactly the same thing, yet never have you seen me post a ditty where I berated them for be so inclined to do so. Only when statements decrying my apps as "snake oil" or when people use personal grudges or opinions like Attack Dogs do I rise to the occasion.

Even then, so very seldom do I ever resort to insulting behavior.

I said I'd try, and I will try to not offend sensibilities that I personally feel do not represent the majority of AVS'ers feelings, simply because when one person continually complains, it attracts others like compost attracts flies. (...no offense intended...just a comparison...)

But the steadfast pursuit of every posting I present, and continual complaints of every single aspect of what/why/How come will not effect a feeling of my having a willingness to comply. If I obviously transgress, have at me. But to do so with impunity and a decided lack of fair play and equal rights will not garner any extra degree of compliance, only serve to create more discord. It won't make me stop "trying", but it sure the hell won't make me try any harder than what is fair and just.

As example, berating me on another's thread is not cool. Neither is my need to respond to such. PMs are for such things. Too much lack of consideration for others is what destroys the Forum's whole idea of community. If my postings offend, hit the "Report: button and let a Mod decide. Or PM me, for I'm nothing if not accessable.

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I could do that, but mynym will only put 'em back up again, or something similar or even better. It was done in a "Tongue in cheek" manner, with mynym's knowledge and foreberance.

Access to those images were in fact provided to me by mynym, and he himself did not post them because they were not what he considered good enough. He "refrained" out of "consideration" so I posted them, warts and all, feeling that by doing so, no effort to make the application look "too good' was being made.

I can confirm that I did send MMan these images in an email thanking him directly. I felt that with the amount of help I received from him I owed him a few pics of the final result.

I didn't originally post these pictures myself because my projector wasn't focused properly and since I get charged for hosting images on my own domain I didn't want to exceed my monthly quota. MMan was very kind is hosting these images for me and I thank him again.
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Maurice,

This is a DIY forum. The only pictures anyone should be posting are those of work they have done themselves in their own homes. There is no need at all for you to post picture of work you didnt do. There is also no need to post pictures of work that you, or anyone else was paid to do. These become commercial ventures and have no place on this board. I have seen no one other than yourself post pictures of work they didnt do in their own homes, or work they were paid to do. You are the only one doing this.
Posting the same pictures over and over is also unnessasary as far as I am concerned. A simple link to the thread you previous posted them in would do just fine. The sheer volume of pics you post, and times and locations you post them are what makes me question the motives behind them. If you arent promoting, then none of that would be nessasary.

I am honestly trying to give you the benifit of doubt here Maurice, but for some reason you insist of being givin special treatment because you help others and do this for a living.
I know I am not the only one who feels this way, and I am simply trying to present this in the most respectful way possible, so you have an idea of why these problems arise as often as they do.

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Ok, I'll try to find some common ground that allows those who WANT to see what I do, and the steps along the way, without continually posting every aspect of the process. Perhaps a Link to a Photo Server. Some will still cry foul, but moe (less really) I cannot do.

But at times, especially when new things crop up, or upon request to do so (XR-10 thread), I'm gonna occasionally oblige. If the frequency of such is drawn down considerably, perhaps that will suffice.

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Ok, I'll try to find some common ground that allows those who WANT to see what I do, and the steps along the way, without continually posting every aspect of the process. Perhaps a Link to a Photo Server. Some will still cry foul, but moe (less really) I cannot do.

But at times, especially when new things crop up, or upon request to do so (XR-10 thread), I'm gonna occasionally oblige. If the frequency of such is drawn down considerably, perhaps that will suffice.


I am glad to see that at least we are having dialogue on the subject.

How about posting a series of pics, a photo how to, so to speak, at the beginning of the BFLF thread? That way they are there for all to see, and the need to repost all the time disappears. Other can still post a shot or two of their finished work in the main thread to show off their own "mad skills". This would eliminate the appearance of "commercialism", yet still give those who want to see photos the chance.

This might also help keep the number of threads involving the same screen type down to a minimum, in turn making this forum much easier to follow for newcomers.

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It's an idea that might just be the answer. But if I may, perhaps on a new thread, because I can also add elements of application and proceedure that are not necessarily specific to Black Flame.

But that will be a ways off because I'm due to be "on the road" tomorrow AM early.

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It's an idea that might just be the answer. But if I may, perhaps on a new thread, because I can also add elements of application and proceedure that are not necessarily specific to Black Flame.

But that will be a ways off because I'm due to be "on the road" tomorrow AM early.


Thats fine by me. I really do think it may stop the BS for good, or at least a month or two

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Since the pictures MMan is posting are of my screen and they are in my thread I don't see a problem with it. Seriously. I'm just happy that someone else was kind enough to host the other pics for me.

Carry on.
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I am honestly trying to give you the benifit of doubt here Maurice, but for some reason you insist of being givin special treatment because you help others .

biglyle, chill good buddy. MM just bent over backwards helping you out on my thread. Like any poppa, he's proud of his baby and likes to show it off whenever he can.
For anyone agitated because MM makes a buck from his efforts has never calculated how much he's lost posting on this forum. He'd be way ahead keeping his knowledge and time to himself rather than spilling it out on this forum. Perhaps a little ego massage is fair compensation to him.

Nuff said. I'm sure, he'll extend to same courtesy to you when you post your masterpiece.

BTW, where the heck is my 'special treatment'?
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I guess I am a little lost here. If MM posts the formula for the screen then what is the harm of posting pics of the screens that he has made or someone else has made using that formula? Am I missing something?

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biglyle, chill good buddy. MM just bent over backwards helping you out on my thread. Like any poppa, he's proud of his baby and likes to show it off whenever he can.
For anyone agitated because MM makes a buck from his efforts has never calculated how much he's lost posting on this forum. He'd be way ahead keeping his knowledge and time to himself rather than spilling it out on this forum. Perhaps a little ego massage is fair compensation to him.
Nuff said. I'm sure, he'll extend to same courtesy to you when you post your masterpiece.
BTW, where the heck is my 'special treatment'?


No need to chill, as no one is upset. Just simple dialogue.
Ego massages are for the insecure, and I honestly believe Maurice doesnt need an ego massage. He knows very well were I was coming from, and I him, hence our civil discussion on the subject.
As for my masterpiece, it is already done and hanging in my theater. No need to post pictures of it. If and when I create something new, then I will post info and pics in the specific thread related to that screen.
See how easy this is.

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Am I missing something?

Yes, but honestly dont worry about it. It looks we all might actually agree on a few things for a change, so lets just leave it at that.

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Yes, but honestly dont worry about it. It looks we all might actually agree on a few things for a change, so lets just leave it at that.

Oh, Pardon me. I thought the forum was public and PMs were for private conversations.

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I'm actually using 1/2" MDF primed with 5 coats of 1:1:1: UPW Gloss:MinWax Poly:Water

As soon as my camera charges back up and I get my HT back together I'll snap a couple of pics of some Stewart samples next to my BFLF. Expect to seem them sometime later this week.


OH OK.. I thought you made a BFLF.

No need to go to any extra trouble with other screen samples for me . I just would like to see the pic half on and half off the screen.
I think to get the best comparison from the wall to the screen is have them in the same frame .
I am really curious as to how good the screen looks in direct comparison .

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Oh, Pardon me. I thought the forum was public and PMs were for private conversations.


Seriously, its nothing. It also appears to have been worked out, so no need to dredge it back up. Its nothing personal, honest.

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Yes, please.


"OH OK.. I thought you made a BFLF.

No need to go to any extra trouble with other screen samples for me . I just would like to see the pic half on and half off the screen.
I think to get the best comparison from the wall to the screen is have them in the same frame .
I am really curious as to how good the screen looks in direct comparison .

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Wasn't sure where to post this, and I didn't think it necessarily needed its own thread, but I came across this paint, and thought it might be useful to MM for Black Flame as a reflective substrate--don't know how it compares to a mirror, but perhaps this can help with doing roll-down applications:

http://www.kustomrides.com/chromepaint.htm

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Wasn't sure where to post this, and I didn't think it necessarily needed its own thread, but I came across this paint, and thought it might be useful to MM for Black Flame as a reflective substrate--don't know how it compares to a mirror, but perhaps this can help with doing roll-down applications:

http://www.kustomrides.com/chromepaint.htm

Very cool paint. It probably would work super as basecoat substituting the UPW base or mirror. However there is one major prob. The cost. 1 quart is priced at $314.95

Nice find though. Anyone else make this kinda paint for cheaper?
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