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Is the HP only available in 2.35:1 as a special order. I only see it listed on their website in 16:9. Thanks.
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Is the HP only available in 2.35:1 as a special order. I only see it listed on their website in 16:9. Thanks.

Call AVS and get a quote, you may be pleasantly surprised.
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I am considering converting the manual pull down HP screen into a DIY fixed frame. How many inches off the height, width, or diagonal do you typically lose (if any) when making this conversion?

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I can't see you loosing anything but the positioning of the screen will be critical. What size are you looking at, what is the throw, and what is the sitting distance?
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I am considering converting the manual pull down HP screen into a DIY fixed frame. How many inches off the height, width, or diagonal do you typically lose (if any) when making this conversion?

TIA.

I'm considering this too and I'm planning on getting a 106" HP for my 100" screen frame. It'll give me a little wiggle room when it comes to attaching the screen.

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I can't see you loosing anything but the positioning of the screen will be critical. What size are you looking at, what is the throw, and what is the sitting distance?
I haven't bought the screen yet. My initial plan was to get a Model C CSR and mount it. My toddlers getting their hands, markers, or whatever else on the screen is a always real possibility. With that said, I wanted the option of converting it over to a fixed frame if any noticeable waves developed that are obvious during movie watching. I was wondering how much of the screen material I would lose from making this conversion.

Ideally, I would like the screen diagonal to be 126 inches, but I'm wondering if I should go a little bigger to a 133" screen to account for any losses. My throw distance is about 17 feet and sitting distance is about 15.5 feet.

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I have a controlled light environment - dedicated HT with read wall and black ceiling. Do I really need HP screen? Will it be too bright to burn my (and my kid's) eyes? I envision most of time we are going to use it to watch movie with lights out so there should be no ambient light.

So far every "professional" AV store guy tells me I do not need anything more than 1.3 gain.
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I have a controlled light environment - dedicated HT with read wall and black ceiling. Do I really need HP screen? Will it be too bright to burn my (and my kid's) eyes? I envision most of time we are going to use it to watch movie with lights out so there should be no ambient light.

So far every "professional" AV store guy tells me I do not need anything more than 1.3 gain.

What size screen do you have, and how many lumens does your pj produce? Use the expression ftL = lumens*(screen gain)/(screen area in sq ft) to calculate the # of ftL you expect. The canonical value that one aims for is ~ 15 ftL, though many people like it up to twice as much.
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I plan to buy JVC RS40. room sise is 17x16 so I plan to use 119'' screen 16:9.

104''x58''=6032 sq ft

If my lumen is 10,000, then it is goign to be 24,000/6032=3.9. Looks too high to me if 1.5 is the norm.


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What size screen do you have, and how many lumens does your pj produce? Use the expression ftL = lumens*(screen gain)/(screen area in sq ft) to calculate the # of ftL you expect. The canonical value that one aims for is ~ 15 ftL, though many people like it up to twice as much.

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I plan to buy JVC RS40. room sise is 17x16 so I plan to use 119'' screen 16:9.

104''x58''=6032 sq ft

If my lumen is 10,000, then it is goign to be 24,000/6032=3.9. Looks too high to me if 1.5 is the norm.

Lumen is 800 to 900... maybe. After lamp dimming and a position greater than min throw and iris stopped down some to get more cr, depend on 700 or so. Maybe.
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I plan to buy JVC RS40. room sise is 17x16 so I plan to use 119'' screen 16:9.

104''x58''=6032 sq ft

If my lumen is 10,000, then it is goign to be 24,000/6032=3.9. Looks too high to me if 1.5 is the norm.

Your screen size is 104x58/144 = ~42 sq ft, and let's say 500 lumens after some dimming. So if you could position the pj to take full advantage of the HP's gain, you would have 500*2.4/42 = 29 ftL, i.e., very bright. With 1.3 gain you would have ~ 15 ftL, still nice.

With the HP screen you would be able to step down the RS40's iris to get whatever brightness you like, and then have something 'in the bank' when the pj's lamp dims even further.
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sorry I somehow read as sq inch - this makes sense. I can always reduce the brightness from the pj...
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hey all, i just read pretty much all of this thread over the last few days, and have a couple questions...

I am looking at getting a 130" diagonal 2.35 screen, and want to get either a JVC X3 or Sony VW90. The problem is, the projector HAS to be ceiling mounted. I can hang the lens center as low as 6.5 feet.

My ceiling is white, and i cannot paint it. Will the HP screen wash out with my white ceiling? i have used the calculator for this screen, and my main seat will get 1.5 gain, and my side seats approx 1.2-1.3 gain, which is a lot less then 2.4, but still not bad. Should i consider another screen? i was VERY interested in the black diamond iii 1.4 or 2.7 gain screen, but a lot of people complain about the texture/sparklies. i want a higher gain screen so i can watch 3d. The top of my screen will be a foot lower than the ceiling.

I can mount the projector any distance from the screen, so i was hoping to go fairly close for max gain. I will be using the zoom method for 2.35 content, and so the screen will be a 103" 16x9 image when zoomed for 16x9 content.

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A lot of us that are in the market for a high gain screen, are looking at this http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1267206 . At the moment, very few details are known about the Microlite screen including the price as well as sceen size.

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hey all, i just read pretty much all of this thread over the last few days, and have a couple questions...

I am looking at getting a 130" diagonal 2.35 screen, and want to get either a JVC X3 or Sony VW90. The problem is, the projector HAS to be ceiling mounted. I can hang the lens center as low as 6.5 feet.

My ceiling is white, and i cannot paint it. Will the HP screen wash out with my white ceiling? i have used the calculator for this screen, and my main seat will get 1.5 gain, and my side seats approx 1.2-1.3 gain, which is a lot less then 2.4, but still not bad. Should i consider another screen? i was VERY interested in the black diamond iii 1.4 or 2.7 gain screen, but a lot of people complain about the texture/sparklies. i want a higher gain screen so i can watch 3d. The top of my screen will be a foot lower than the ceiling.

I can mount the projector any distance from the screen, so i was hoping to go fairly close for max gain. I will be using the zoom method for 2.35 content, and so the screen will be a 103" 16x9 image when zoomed for 16x9 content.

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I'm in your boat (ceiling mounted, light walls) and got the HP 2.4 145" diagonal.

You can opt for the HCHP ( grey ) if worried about wash out from the walls.

Arrives Friday, and I will put it up in that night. Review after a few hours of viewing.

Do you have an adjustable pole for your ceiling mount? I just ordered one and will get max gain of ~ 1.8 when I drop it lower.

I know I am not maxing the screens gain with out a retro reflective set up but I achieve 16-17 lumens with this set up (empirically)

With the test sample I have it looks incredible and that was against the Stewart ultramatte 1.5 and 2.0 gain, and Stewart studiotek 1.3 and firehawk (grey)

After pricing from AV science it was a no brainer, plus I won't get hot spotting,etc from an angular reflective screen.
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congrads on your new purchase. I'm sure you'll like it.
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I'm in your boat (ceiling mounted, light walls) and got the HP 2.4 145" diagonal.

You can opt for the HCHP ( grey ) if worried about wash out from the walls.

Arrives Friday, and I will put it up in that night. Review after a few hours of viewing.

Do you have an adjustable pole for your ceiling mount? I just ordered one and will get max gain of ~ 1.8 when I drop it lower.

I know I am not maxing the screens gain with out a retro reflective set up but I achieve 16-17 lumens with this set up (empirically)

With the test sample I have it looks incredible and that was against the Stewart ultramatte 1.5 and 2.0 gain, and Stewart studiotek 1.3 and firehawk (grey)

After pricing from AV science it was a no brainer, plus I won't get hot spotting,etc from an angular reflective screen.

Definitely interested to hear how this screen works out for you.what height is the center of your projector lens? How wide is your seating area?
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Definitely interested to hear how this screen works out for you.what height is the center of your projector lens? How wide is your seating area?

Right now I'm set with my lens center 95" from the floor but with the new pole I van drop it 24" more.

I have a 7 foot wide seating area 20 feet from screen and projector lens center is 22 feet from the screen.
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anyone setup a HP in scope using a panasonic ae4000 projector?

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Definitely interested to hear how this screen works out for you.what height is the center of your projector lens? How wide is your seating area?

Image and quality are spectacular even with ceiling mounted set up.

I have slight barrel distortion or trapezoid image due to my projector keystoneing the image.

I'll square my projector then use the shif and zoom and post some pics.

Any tips for squaring projector on the horizontal and vertical plane?
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Man!!! I am so bummed!

Not only did Da-lite change the HP from 2.8 to 2.4 but they raised their prices on all the manual Model B's and C's that used to be so cheap to build DIY fixed screens. I could build a 106" diag for less than 3 Franklins now its costing twice that much.

I was thinking about building a 120" 2.35:1 screen (110" wide) and I couldn't believe how much the prices went up for both the old B/C and even the fabric alone almost tripled in price.

I guess they figured out that DIY trick.
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I'm not sure if this is obvioius, or has been reported in this thread or another, but I had an amazing discovery today regarding my HP screen.

I've had the screen for about 3 1/2 years, and recently I noticed that there seemed to be some streaky lighter patches on it in certain scenes, particularly with blue sky or other very white scenes. I was worrying that the screen was deteriorating, but after further investigation, the screen appeared to have a very, very light coating of dust, which you could not really see with the naked eye under normal light. The streaks or patches seemed to be where the dust was lighter or perhaps had been rubbed off or something.

I contacted Da-Lite regarding how to clean a screen that had collected some dust, and they told me to use distilled water with a clean white cloth and to dry with a clean white cloth. So my wife and I cleaned it carefully today, and the streaks and patches are now gone. The amazing discovery is that the brightness of the screen and the perceived contrast increased noticeably. The screen is in a dedicated home theater room, typically used only a couple of times a week, and is not a basement or is not particularly dusty. Thus, I don't consider the environment to be particularly unusual. If anything, it might be less prone to dust than a lot of other rooms. But the effect of cleaning the screen of what little dust had collected on the screen was pretty astounding to me.

It kind of makes sense that a higher gain screen would be impacted more by dust than a lower gain screen. I mean, if the screen is relfecting light to a great extent, it makes sense (to me anyway) that even a little dust couuld really impact the amount of light reflected. In any event, whatever the technical explanation might be, this made it clear to me that regular dusting or cleaning of a high power screen is a good idea. I intend to clean mine once a year or so, if necessary.

I apologize if this has already been disussed before, but I just wanted to pass it along in case anyone else has a HP screen that has collected a little dust on it. Again, the difference was quite striking.
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Quick question: does Da Lite make custom sizes of countour high power? I need a 99 inches wide cinemascope....
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Quick question: does Da Lite make custom sizes of countour high power? I need a 99 inches wide cinemascope....

I think all their screens are custom. The listed sizes are just there to judge price vs. size.
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6 months old and I am seeing uneven aging on the HP. 122" wide scope, the top horizontal third of the screen has now become darker than the rest of the screen, it is so annoying.

Believe it or not I have the worst luck with Da Lite 3 screens since February

Screen 1 damaged in shipping, fiberglass

Screen 2 bad motor, excessive edge curling

Screen 3 horizontal top third of the screen aging unevenly.

I am at a loss of words for the amount of time spent on warranty replacements. I can't imagine this is normal.
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Gotcha, this might sound obvious but have you tried cleaning your screen with distilled water? A few of us have experienced the darker horizontal lines and have been able to get rid of it completely with a good cleaning.
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Gotcha, this might sound obvious but have you tried cleaning your screen with distilled water? A few of us have experienced the darker horizontal lines and have been able to get rid of it completely with a good cleaning.

I have not, Da Lite believes the uneven aging is due to the curing process and they want to send out a new roller and screen material.

I want to be clear this is the entire top 1/3 of the screen horizontally, not just a few lines. Has anyone else seen this?
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I have not, Da Lite believes the uneven aging is due to the curing process and they want to send out a new roller and screen material.

I want to be clear this is the entire top 1/3 of the screen horizontally, not just a few lines. Has anyone else seen this?

I think there was another post a few months ago with the same type of complaint about a 2.4 HP screen that was only a few weeks/months old. You may want to spend some time searching for that post and contact the person to see what the outcome was. I am not sure if it was in this thread or in a thread of it's own.. thinking it was stand alone...
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I have not, Da Lite believes the uneven aging is due to the curing process and they want to send out a new roller and screen material.

I want to be clear this is the entire top 1/3 of the screen horizontally, not just a few lines. Has anyone else seen this?

Well I had approx 1/5 of the top of my screen darker. Not lines, the entire screen area. It could be especially seen on a white projected image. I first noticed it watching hockey. Taking a flash photograph clearly showed it as well.

I initially thought it was the screen damaged maybe by the rollers as mine is a manual pulldown. Another poster suggested cleaning it.

After a careful cleaning the dark area was completely gone.
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I have just received my brand new high power screen but it does seem to me what I have received is not high power even though on the box it says so!

The screen I have received has jut a plastic fabric painted with a glossy white paint. There is nothing on the fabric other than the paint. This is different from the older 2.8 version I used to have a couple of years ago. It had that tiny particles glued into the fabric. It did have a rather rough and coarse surface. My Panoview Graywolf II screen material also has that coarse surface. These must be the glass beads glued to the surface. The new High Power screen I have received doesn't have that surface. Moreover, it does not have the bright punchy image I remember from memory my previous high power used to have.

I am wondering if this is about the new 2.4 version or, is it possible they have mistakenly put another type of screen in the box? This is not matte white I think. Maybe this is a video spectra screen?

Any idea where the problem could be?

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