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In case there are any others lurking around looking for a large original (2.8) HP screen, and you happen to live in South Florida (or want to engage this guy about freight shipment)... 159" Model C HP (2.8), asking $250 (negotiable). Have not seen too many of these lately... unfortunately for me, west palm beach->mountain view, CA is a bit of a drive, and very costly freight wink.gif

http://miami.craigslist.org/pbc/ele/4088797636.html

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I wonder what he'd think about 3D IMAX?
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In case there are any others lurking around looking for a large original (2.8) HP screen, and you happen to live in South Florida (or want to engage this guy about freight shipment)... 159" Model C HP (2.8), asking $250 (negotiable). Have not seen too many of these lately... unfortunately for me, west palm beach->mountain view, CA is a bit of a drive, and very costly freight wink.gif

http://miami.craigslist.org/pbc/ele/4088797636.html

We ship large R/C planes by Greyhound for very reasonable rates. The only downside for us R/C'ers is the insurance limit is $300, but that would be fine for this screen. But I gotta admit... I've never seen anything with a 159" wingspan shipped!
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We ship large R/C planes by Greyhound for very reasonable rates. The only downside for us R/C'ers is the insurance limit is $300, but that would be fine for this screen. But I gotta admit... I've never seen anything with a 159" wingspan shipped!

82" length limit... about 6 ft too long wink.gif

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unfortunately for me, west palm beach->mountain view, CA is a bit of a drive, and very costly freight ;)l

Try freightquote.com; I imagine it would cost no more than the asking price, so still a good value overall

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me too,Great review and I couldn't agree more about the HP!! thank you

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I just moved to a house with a smaller home theater, so I had to get a smaller screen. I did have a 147" high power 2.8 screen, it would not fit on the wall in the room I'm now in, plus the surface had been damaged and after attempted cleaning, it never looked right again. So I opted for a 119" high power screen, the largest size I could squeeze in.

While it is better as there are no marks or uneven spots where my cleaning didn't work, I must say that Da-Lite has screwed up royally. After watching it for a few days I can easily spot what others complain about, almost grid like lines because of the texture(the original 2.8 had zero texture), the image seems generally softer. Why in Hells name do they not make the real stuff anymore?!? This looks like crap compared to the 2.8 material. They claim it was too expensive, so charge more, I'll pay it! The 2.8 screen material WAS perfection. I can't believe some other brand hasn't started producing it and charging Stewart rates, they easily could.

This screen is in a rent house which I'm in for a year or two, when I move I'm thinking seriously about bidding ado to brightness and anything bigger than 119" and going with a 1.3 gain material from Severtson perhaps, I had screen samples from them and Stewart, no difference I could detect and less than half the price. This texture business is godawful.

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I just moved to a house with a smaller home theater, so I had to get a smaller screen. I did have a 147" high power 2.8 screen, it would not fit on the wall in the room I'm now in, plus the surface had been damaged and after attempted cleaning, it never looked right again.

DId you consider making a frame and cutting down your old screen? I guess if the damage is dead center that wouldn't work.. but if you have not considered it, and the damage is to one side or the other from center, you may want to measure it out and see how much undamaged screen surface you have to reuse.
Also monitor craigs list and other local used marks as I was able to eventually pick up a 110" 2.8 for $300 (pull down).
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Sadly the damage was all over. The 1st of it the finish rubbed off in a horizontal dotted pattern across the center from when we moved it. Then I think my 4yr old nephew put a big greasy hand print on it, that's when I cleaned it, and cleaned 4 more times after that, just never got clean again.

Craigslist is a good idea, though a slim hope. Actually if I had $300 plus whatever the bulk shipping from Florida is, I'd buy that one guys screen just to have for the next house.

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so guys are you all saying that hp 2.4 is no good?
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The 2.4 material is not as good as the old 2.8 material, not by a long shot. However if your looking for a high gain material, it's still the best, as every other high gain material screen sample I tried from other companies either sparkles like a gay pride parade or has a good deal more texture than the current high power material. Which thinking about it, the artifacts I'm seeing on the 2.4 is not unlike sparklies from other companies screens.

If I can't lay hands on a used 2.8 material, I'm pretty sure my next screen will be no higher gain than 1.3.

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...also have a flawed 2.8+ screen that was quite hard to come by in europe to begin with, then It has permanent damage , and I do find this whole situation disheartening from A to Z (including the deceptive seller,the case handled by "paypal", & then the HP fabric supply anomalies with "da-lite & co" ).
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I just moved to a house with a smaller home theater, so I had to get a smaller screen. I did have a 147" high power 2.8 screen, it would not fit on the wall in the room I'm now in, plus the surface had been damaged and after attempted cleaning, it never looked right again. So I opted for a 119" high power screen, the largest size I could squeeze in.

While it is better as there are no marks or uneven spots where my cleaning didn't work, I must say that Da-Lite has screwed up royally. After watching it for a few days I can easily spot what others complain about, almost grid like lines because of the texture(the original 2.8 had zero texture), the image seems generally softer. Why in Hells name do they not make the real stuff anymore?!? This looks like crap compared to the 2.8 material. They claim it was too expensive, so charge more, I'll pay it! The 2.8 screen material WAS perfection. I can't believe some other brand hasn't started producing it and charging Stewart rates, they easily could.

This screen is in a rent house which I'm in for a year or two, when I move I'm thinking seriously about bidding ado to brightness and anything bigger than 119" and going with a 1.3 gain material from Severtson perhaps, I had screen samples from them and Stewart, no difference I could detect and less than half the price. This texture business is godawful.

Yup, I hear you brother. Here's some documentation on what I had to go through to get a good HCHP screen:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1449462/draper-contrast-radiant-vs-da-lite-high-contrast-high-power-hchp#post_23889109

Like you said, they should make the old 2.8 available or, at the very least, implement some decent QC. I only got a decent screen (still not perfect) after asking a manager to explicitly QC before wasting my time/effort by shipping me some crappy screen. In the end, they had to go through a number of screens to find me a good one, saying 'we're having a hard time finding one that meets our standards'. Which, if you think about it, is kinda funny - b/c they still sell you that crap.
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- "Why buy quality once when you can buy something crapty three times!!"
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- "Why buy quality once when you can buy something crapty three times!!"

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Hi guys!

Would you have some advice to get a DaLite/ProColor HP or HCHP at a good price in Europe?
(More exactly in France, but I guess somme seller could ship internationally...)

I want a 120" or 135" diagonal, ceiling mounted, manual or electrical (doesn't matter)

Thanks !
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So nobody is happy with the 2.4 material? eek.gif
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So nobody is happy with the 2.4 material? eek.gif

It's all relative. If you are comparing it to the original 2.8 material, it seems "no". If you are comparing it to other high gain materials, then it seems to still be better in a lot of respects.
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I came from a HP2.8--which I liked just fine, but wanted to go with a larger screen--and now have HP2.4, which I think it even better. E.g., I think it gives a slightly smoother pic than the older 2.8. Not a big diff, though. But I certainly don't feel that the 2.4 is less good than the 2.8. (I also tried samples of the High Contrast version of the 2.4, but did not like it at all; the viewing angle was too narrow, even though my projector is ideally located for the HP, i.e., just above and behind my head.)
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It's all relative. If you are comparing it to the original 2.8 material, it seems "no". If you are comparing it to other high gain materials, then it seems to still be better in a lot of respects.

The 2 big differences are the 2.4 has less beads and multisized bead with a different means of attachment to the fiberglass substrate. This provides lower gain but a higher gain off axis since there is more white attachment emulsifier showing. The problems are more with quality control than the screen fabric design. We have seen many posts form dissatisfied customers who's screen has dark bands apparently caused by poor applications of the high gain surface. Seems to be a crap shoot on getting a good one. One AVSer went through 3 before getting one that was acceptable but not perfect if I recall.
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Think there's any chance they might go back to the real 2.8 high power material?

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does anybody know what the minimum throw distance that is recommended on the high power 2.4 gain is. They took this off their website and I cant find it. In regards to screen width.

I am planning on getting a 150" wide 2:35 AR screen of the high power. My throw distance will be 18'.

Also, is the high power 4k comaptable.

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does anybody know what the minimum throw distance that is recommended on the high power 2.4 gain is. They took this off their website and I cant find it. In regards to screen width.

I am planning on getting a 150" wide 2:35 AR screen of the high power. My throw distance will be 18'.

Also, is the high power 4k comaptable.

Thanks
The min throw distance is determined by your projector, not the screen (other than its size). The only important aspect of the projector's location with an HP screen is to have it projecting as low over your head as possible (to benefit from the retro-reflective character of the HP).
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Think there's any chance they might go back to the real 2.8 high power material?
According to this screen report the 2.4 gain material has slightly higher gain and less color shift. In other words, it was rated as a better screen than the 2.8.
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According to this screen report the 2.4 gain material has slightly higher gain and less color shift. In other words, it was rated as a better screen than the 2.8.
http://www.accucalhd.com/documents/a...een_report.pdf
In reality it adds texture to the image, giving the image a more artificial digital look. I spent 4-5 years with a 2.8 screen and nearly a year with the 2.4, I'll take the old 2.8 any day.
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In reality it adds texture to the image, giving the image a more artificial digital look. I spent 4-5 years with a 2.8 screen and nearly a year with the 2.4, I'll take the old 2.8 any day.
Interesting. I had a 2.8 for a couple of yrs, and a 2.4 now for a couple. I liked the 2.8 just fine, but to me the 2.4 gives a smoother pic. Without a side-by-side, though, I would not testify to this under oath.
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Interesting. I had a 2.8 for a couple of yrs, and a 2.4 now for a couple. I liked the 2.8 just fine, but to me the 2.4 gives a smoother pic. Without a side-by-side, though, I would not testify to this under oath.
Right off the bat I noticed a sparkly effect in skies and solid colors, like you see on other high gain screens, which I'd never noticed on the old 2.8. It's not actually sparkles as in other screens, it's the grid texture causing it.

Of course I went from a 147in screen to a 120in, which could have something to do with it.
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Right off the bat I noticed a sparkly effect in skies and solid colors, like you see on other high gain screens, which I'd never noticed on the old 2.8. It's not actually sparkles as in other screens, it's the grid texture causing it.

Of course I went from a 147in screen to a 120in, which could have something to do with it.
Also interesting. I went from a 110x62 2.8 screen to a 144x72 (128x72 for 16x9, and 144x61 for 2.35) 2.4 one.
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