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I've had a 110" HP (2.8) for years now, about 6 years to be exact. It's been relocated once. I have a 4 year old and a 2 year old kiddos so the screen has a few smudges. Nothing really noticable when watching except for bright scenes with camera pan. Also there are a few specks, they seem to be about the size of a pixel, maybe a little smaller where light reflects really bright. Almost like a star in the sky.

Anyway, my wife opening a photography studio and she is taking our current projector (Epson 8700UB) and I am upgrading to an Epson 5030UB. Since we need to buy a new screen I was thinking of passing the HP (2.8) onto to her and buying something new for our theater.

Reading that the 2.8 material is no longer available is disheartening. I'd like to get something new for the theater because that's where we do our most critical viewing. My first thought is to buy the 2.4 material and then I'd have it, or staying with the 2.8 to choose from, but I'm concerned about not wanting the 2.4 in either location and wishing I'd gone with a more traditional lower gain matte screen.

The theater in our home is the only "TV" in the house we use, save for the kids watching netflix on some iPads. So it gets a lot of use, so the brightness on an aging lamp is important. Do I have analysis paralysis??

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I've had a 110" HP (2.8) for years now, about 6 years to be exact. It's been relocated once. I have a 4 year old and a 2 year old kiddos so the screen has a few smudges. Nothing really noticable when watching except for bright scenes with camera pan. Also there are a few specks, they seem to be about the size of a pixel, maybe a little smaller where light reflects really bright. Almost like a star in the sky.

Anyway, my wife opening a photography studio and she is taking our current projector (Epson 8700UB) and I am upgrading to an Epson 5030UB. Since we need to buy a new screen I was thinking of passing the HP (2.8) onto to her and buying something new for our theater.

Reading that the 2.8 material is no longer available is disheartening. I'd like to get something new for the theater because that's where we do our most critical viewing. My first thought is to buy the 2.4 material and then I'd have it, or staying with the 2.8 to choose from, but I'm concerned about not wanting the 2.4 in either location and wishing I'd gone with a more traditional lower gain matte screen.

The theater in our home is the only "TV" in the house we use, save for the kids watching netflix on some iPads. So it gets a lot of use, so the brightness on an aging lamp is important. Do I have analysis paralysis??
Keep you HP where it is and clean it.. If done carefully with denatured alcohol and micro fiber rags, you will be thrilled. Those star spots may also go away, there are a micro bead that is lifted up and twisted. Sometimes just gently pushing on the spot with your finger will fix it. Keep this screen you will certainly miss it and want it back if you go back to the dull utility gain screen. I have posted details on cleaning in other threads.. do some searches of cleaning HP.

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Keep you HP where it is and clean it.. If done carefully with denatured alcohol and micro fiber rags, you will be thrilled. Those star spots may also go away, there are a micro bead that is lifted up and twisted. Sometimes just gently pushing on the spot with your finger will fix it. Keep this screen you will certainly miss it and want it back if you go back to the dull utility gain screen. I have posted details on cleaning in other threads.. do some searches of cleaning HP.
I totally forgot I made this post.

OK, lets assume I kept the OG HP 2.8 where it is in my theater. Would you recommend the newer HP as a purchase anyway for my wife's studio. It's mostly photography stills and slideshows she will use to demo to clients, and some ambient light will be present. I guess the crux of my questions are is the new HP a poor choice in general or is it only poor where compared to the original 2.8? I've got to buy something.

As for cleaning, I did do that with denatured alcohol a few years back. I got the actual debris off but there is still a "spot" for lack of a better work. It's almost like the screen finish was rubbed off or reoriented as if it was velvet or another material where you can change the direction of the fibers, yet the gain is still there when on axis. The spots only show when you're sitting a little off axis and the screen content is bright. It's really hard to describe in a forum post.

I will try giving the microbead a small massage to see if it goes away.

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If you read ALL of the reviews, some actually think the 2.4 is superior to the 2.8. Some of that could be individual tastes and some could be specific application. But the message to me is that the 2.4 is not bad, but just different from the 2.8. In any case, Da-Lite has suspended sales of HP 2.4 pending correction of a supplier problem. Some believe it will be coming back and some believe it won't. You'll have to wait to find out. If you need another screen soon, the only HP screens available are used ones. If you need a new screen soon, you need to find an alternative to HP, and there's really nothing else out there quite like it at anywhere near the price.
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If you read ALL of the reviews, some actually think the 2.4 is superior to the 2.8. Some of that could be individual tastes and some could be specific application. But the message to me is that the 2.4 is not bad, but just different from the 2.8. In any case, Da-Lite has suspended sales of HP 2.4 pending correction of a supplier problem. Some believe it will be coming back and some believe it won't. You'll have to wait to find out. If you need another screen soon, the only HP screens available are used ones. If you need a new screen soon, you need to find an alternative to HP, and there's really nothing else out there quite like it at anywhere near the price.
Yes, I think the HP2.4 is somewhat better than the 2.8: a somewhat wider viewing cone, and also (to my eye) a smoother pic. I had a 2.8 for 2-3 yrs, and liked it very much, and now have had a 2.4 (only replaced it because I wanted a larger screen) for 2-3 yrs.
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If you read ALL of the reviews, some actually think the 2.4 is superior to the 2.8. Some of that could be individual tastes and some could be specific application. But the message to me is that the 2.4 is not bad, but just different from the 2.8. In any case, Da-Lite has suspended sales of HP 2.4 pending correction of a supplier problem. Some believe it will be coming back and some believe it won't. You'll have to wait to find out. If you need another screen soon, the only HP screens available are used ones. If you need a new screen soon, you need to find an alternative to HP, and there's really nothing else out there quite like it at anywhere near the price.
How long has the sales of 2.4HP been suspended? I see a few vendors still selling screen options with HP?

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Vendors don't always update their websites. Some still show HCHP being available even though it was dropped by Da-Lite last year. You can track the HP 2.4 supply issue in the following thread:

High Power screen material supply issues?


One person in that thread who ordered just around the time HP 2.4 was dropped from the Da-Lite website did receive his order, but it's unclear if anyone has had any luck since then. The only way to know for sure is to try to place an order.
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Vendors don't always update their websites. Some still show HCHP being available even though it was dropped by Da-Lite last year. You can track the HP 2.4 supply issue in the following thread:

High Power screen material supply issues?

One person in that thread who ordered just around the time HP 2.4 was dropped from the Da-Lite website did receive his order, but it's unclear if anyone has had any luck since then. The only way to know for sure is to try to place an order.
It's still not available as far as I know. I ask every few months. It has been removed from Da Lite's current price sheets for quite some time.

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Reading the last posts in this thread I'm now somewhat confused.

I had been under the impression that Da-Lite is "reformulating" its High Power 2.8 screen fabric, but the center of talk is the (glass-beaded?) 2.4 screen fabric.

Do I have to assume that the 2.8 High Power fabric has been discontinued without the realistic prospect of a comeback?

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Hmmm well if anyone's interested in a 119" HP 2.4 screen I'll have mine up for sale in a month or two.
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Reading the last posts in this thread I'm now somewhat confused.

I had been under the impression that Da-Lite is "reformulating" its High Power 2.8 screen fabric, but the center of talk is the (glass-beaded?) 2.4 screen fabric.

Do I have to assume that the 2.8 High Power fabric has been discontinued without the realistic prospect of a comeback?
2.8 has been gone since 2010 and now 2.4 is no longer made and is not looking as if it will come back.

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2.8 has been gone since 2010.
D'oh! I didn't know. So just when 3D home theater projection was about to get interesting, Da-Lite discarded what could have become a cash cow.

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D'oh! I didn't know. So just when 3D home theater projection was about to get interesting, Da-Lite discarded what could have become a cash cow.

What's getting interesting in 3D ? There are plenty of existing screens and projectors that will work for 3D.

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Just in case I come across a used highpower for sale. Anyone with experience with a model C pull down with CSR (controlled screen return), can you stop the screen at any height without the CSR rolling it back up, or must you pull down the entire height to have the screen stop & not retract? I recall reading on Dalite's website a while back, wording that inferred CSR did not allow partial pull down of the total screen height?

I have multiple format ratio material to display, so the height of my screen needs to vary if I want maximum width displayed without black bands above & below the image. Ideally I want a 1:1 ratio screen (uncommon) as I have some analog still photography film slides to project in both landscape & portrait orientation (medium format 6x9cm), as well as digital video source.
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What's getting interesting in 3D ? There are plenty of existing screens and projectors that will work for 3D.
I think he's meaning that he wants the extra brightness for 3d that the HP provides.
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Just in case I come across a used highpower for sale. Anyone with experience with a model C pull down with CSR (controlled screen return), can you stop the screen at any height without the CSR rolling it back up, or must you pull down the entire height to have the screen stop & not retract? I recall reading on Dalite's website a while back, wording that inferred CSR did not allow partial pull down of the total screen height?

I have multiple format ratio material to display, so the height of my screen needs to vary if I want maximum width displayed without black bands above & below the image. Ideally I want a 1:1 ratio screen (uncommon) as I have some analog still photography film slides to project in both landscape & portrait orientation (medium format 6x9cm), as well as digital video source.
The manual pulldowns CSR or not have a stop about every 12". The CSR controls how fast the thing will fly back into the case if you loose control of it. No the stops are not adjustable

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I think he's meaning that he wants the extra brightness for 3d that the HP provides.

Ok. I don't find 3D all that interesting myself, and if UHD 4K Blu Ray isn't going to support it, I thought maybe I missed something. Carry on...........

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Ok. I don't find 3D all that interesting myself, and if UHD 4K Blu Ray isn't going to support it, I thought maybe I missed something. Carry on...........
I agree with you re 3d, Craig (not of interest to me), and like the HP for allowing a bright pic with a large screen.
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Where HP would really make sense today is with the slowly improving but still not quite bright enough for everyone LED projectors.
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I thing so (it would be me).
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What's getting interesting in 3D ? There are plenty of existing screens and projectors that will work for 3D.
But I doubt there are any that will project such a bright image from a table-mounted projector and without the speckle effect I'd get from a silver coated screen. The much smaller and coating protected glass beads of the HP 2.8 enhance the capabilities of a usual glass beaded screen but without the disadvantage of not being able to clean it.

My problem had been that using the same 1.0 screen for "2D" and 3D always resulted in a uncomfortable and darker 3D images with my 3D RF glasses. I've solved the problem with my Da-Lite High Power Slimline Electrol which I utilize exclusively for 3D projection (and therefore have the same subjective image brightness I usually enjoy with my "2D" screen).

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Just in case I come across a used highpower for sale. Anyone with experience with a model C pull down with CSR (controlled screen return), can you stop the screen at any height without the CSR rolling it back up, or must you pull down the entire height to have the screen stop & not retract? I recall reading on Dalite's website a while back, wording that inferred CSR did not allow partial pull down of the total screen height?
On my old manual Model B I have several stops. It's a 16:9 screen but if I wanted I could just stop it from retracting all the way and get a 21:9 projection area if I wanted.

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I have multiple format ratio material to display, so the height of my screen needs to vary if I want maximum width displayed without black bands above & below the image. Ideally I want a 1:1 ratio screen (uncommon) as I have some analog still photography film slides to project in both landscape & portrait orientation (medium format 6x9cm), as well as digital video source.
I wish you the best of luck. The HP screen fabric was available in 1:1 configurations (actually my Slimline Electrol is 70" x 70" and I bought it for my original showroom for customers like yourself, but they never showed up - needless to say I'm happy I got it in the first place because otherwise my 3D projections would be far from perfect).

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I have a 160" rolldown motorized vutec 1.0 screen and with my 2400 lumen proj. I simply don't find it bright enough.

would a 1.3 screen make any real world noticeable difference? I am pretty sure that perforated and high gain screens don't come in a roll down model. Is this the case with all brands or what?

Is my only option to basically get a brighter projector?

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I have a 160" rolldown motorized vutec 1.0 screen and with my 2400 lumen proj. I simply don't find it bright enough.

would a 1.3 screen make any real world noticeable difference? I am pretty sure that perforated and high gain screens don't come in a roll down model. Is this the case with all brands or what?

Is my only option to basically get a brighter projector?
Also, high gain screens don't come perforated. And SMX could barely make 1x gain if that, so this thread isn't going to help you much. A projector brighter than 2400 lumen is going to be a presentation projector with very poor contrast and colors or it's going to be extremely expensive. That's even the case of your 2400 lumen projector. I can't imagine what you're using. I think you should try the $20k plus forum.
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...say, whatever happened to Tryg?
Very good question. I own a 2.8 gain 133" Da-Lite Hi-Power screen all because of Tryg and this thread.
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...say, whatever happened to Tryg?

It's like Tryg and the High Power got sucked into a black hole, never to be seen again....

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