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Revisited my XD and UF samples last night. Everything else is settled, size etc ... Just can't decide between the two screen choices.

XD is brighter which lends to more perceived contrast? It is really nice but on highlights with larger areas of the same color I can sense the weave. It doesn't disappear completely to my eyes even at 14'. I notice some light texture.

UF is very smooth and disappears leaving just the picture. Less bright and seemingly less sharp compared directly to the XD?

So it seems I have to decide between a less sharp/bright image that won't show texture or a brighter/sharper with the occasional visible texture...
Yes, the AT quandary. To see the XD weave at 14' you must have extremely good vision. The only advice I can give is that when viewed on their own, any short comings of the UF material will likely become a non-issue, or largely overcome by a bright projector, while the texture of the XD will become more apparent on a full sized surface overtime.

I am still hopeful that Chris will develop an XD2 in the near future with similar gain and reduced texture. Would even be willing to give up another couple db's in the high frequencies. Unfortunately I think he commented once that the thread diameter was already as small as possible given the coating process.

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I tested the XD on the Sony 500ES 4K projector.. the weave disappears for me from as near as 6-8 feet.
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Yes, the AT quandary. To see the XD weave at 14' you must have extremely good vision. The only advice I can give is that when viewed on their own, any short comings of the UF material will likely become a non-issue, or largely overcome by a bright projector, while the texture of the XD will become more apparent on a full sized surface overtime.

I am still hopeful that Chris will develop an XD2 in the near future with similar gain and reduced texture. Would even be willing to give up another couple db's in the high frequencies. Unfortunately I think he commented once that the thread diameter was already as small as possible given the coating process.
Believe me I wish I didnt notice the weave/texture because then the XD is really a no brainer.
At 14' it isn't exactly easy to spot but once your eye catches it you're in trouble or atleast I am.

I have corrected "perfect" vision. I work as a pilot actually, not that perfect eyesight is required for that, but it's certainly an advantage.

So more light on the UF and it will appear just as sharp?
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I tested the XD on the Sony 500ES 4K projector.. the weave disappears for me from as near as 6-8 feet.
If that was the case for me I would pick the XD no doubt.
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So more light on the UF and it will appear just as sharp?
A brighter image will appear to have more detail yes, however the tendency of the UF material's strands to "glow" slightly may also play a part, especially if you have your nose to the screen, comparing samples. It is most obvious when looking up close at fine print, but back at a normal seating distance I can't really tell if this affect has any impact on detail.

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Revisited my XD and UF samples last night. Everything else is settled, size etc ... Just can't decide between the two screen choices.

XD is brighter which lends to more percieved contrast? It is really nice but on highlights with larger areas of the same color I can sense the weave. It doesn't dissapear completely to my eyes even at 14'. I notice some light texture.

UF is very smooth and dissapears leaving just the picture. Less bright and seemingly less sharp compared directly to the XD?

Is the brightness difference fooling my eyes in regards to percieved contrast or is the XD sharper by nature?

So it seems I have to decide between a less sharp/bright image that won't show texture or a brighter/sharper with the occasional visible texture...

I remodelled my frontwall with an in wall center so I really need a new screen!:-)
When doing side by side, your eyes will nearly always pick the brighter image. That is why TV show rooms use dynamic lamp setting on their TV's. Technically the UF should provide a sharper image, in theory, due to the smoother weave.

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Believe me I wish I didnt notice the weave/texture because then the XD is really a no brainer.
At 14' it isn't exactly easy to spot but once your eye catches it you're in trouble or atleast I am.

I have corrected "perfect" vision. I work as a pilot actually, not that perfect eyesight is required for that, but it's certainly an advantage.

So more light on the UF and it will appear just as sharp?
Just like when comparing speakers, you need to match the volume (sound output level as measured in the room), when comparing screen samples, you should do the same -- with brightness.

[Yes, if you are AT THE LIMIT of the projector's capabilities, then you are stuck with fewer options. I'm assuming you have some wiggle room.]

Use the adjustable iris in your projector OR if you don't have one, use low lamp versus high lamp mode, when two samples are obviously different in gain.

The latter won't be precise but will be better than not adjusting.

Here is a FREE light meter than is good enough for "level matching" from Whitegoods:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ligh...501638921?mt=8

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Thanks for the feedback on the XD vs UF. After a lot of considerations I've decided to go with the UF. In the end even the rare screen artifact was, for me, to heavy a price and the brightness loss of the UF can be overcome. The screen is being installed in a multi purpose room and even with very good light control the slightly lower black floor on the UF is welcome.

Now I just have to wait for it to be delivered. It's going to be a tough wait but I am upgrading some other aspects of my living room theater meanwhile!:-)
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i have compared with 4 materials, Falcon Screen AT, XD, UF and 4K.

at my seating distance, i can see weave holes of XD so XD is out. FS vs UF, FS is brighter but contrast is UF.
i'm looking forward to receive UF fabric for my screen.
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i have compared with 4 materials, Falcon Screen AT, XD, UF and 4K.

at my seating distance, i can see weave holes of XD so XD is out. FS vs UF, FS is brighter but contrast is UF.
i'm looking forward to receive UF fabric for my screen.

Wilbur,

What is your seating distance?

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about 3.3m
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I bought a screen about 1 year ago and love this screen. I know back then they did not sell masking. Has that changed at all Chris or will it become available?
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It's an electric screen. But it's always down unless I need to work on something behind it. So looking for panels I could toss up and pull down. Manually is fine.
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Outside of the frame needing to be put together what are the main differences between the Premier and Precision frames. At this point leaning towards a fixed 16:9 screen with masking for scope which looking at the website I get the impression is only available with the Premier frame but I could be wrong.

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Can someone explain when the 15 degree tilt is necessary (for DIY SeymourAV screens) ? i.e. what "problem" does the non titled screen have? and at what size, seating distance is the problem barely noticeable (if at all)?

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Can someone explain when the 15 degree tilt is necessary (for DIY SeymourAV screens) ? i.e. what "problem" does the non titled screen have? and at what size, seating distance is the problem barely noticeable (if at all)?

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Outside of the frame needing to be put together what are the main differences between the Premier and Precision frames. At this point leaning towards a fixed 16:9 screen with masking for scope which looking at the website I get the impression is only available with the Premier frame but I could be wrong.

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At the bottom of the fixed frames page here http://www.seymourav.com/screensfixed.asp there is a summary between the two frames. The masking panels are an option for the Premier frame.

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Chris:
I'm putting together a DIY screen w/ the XD material - and am attaching velcro to the back of the XD material , and them will be sewing black velvet to the front - what type of thread to you suggest to use to sew the velcro to the XD? Also any other suggestions (so I don't learn things the hard way)?
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I'm putting together a DIY screen w/ the XD material - and am attaching velcro to the back of the XD material , and them will be sewing black velvet to the front - what type of thread to you suggest to use to sew the velcro to the XD? Also any other suggestions (so I don't learn things the hard way)?
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The type of thread is less important than how you do it. Keep a long stitch, as loose as possible, and possibly intermittent so you don't scrunch things up.

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The type of thread is less important than how you do it. Keep a long stitch, as loose as possible, and possibly intermittent so you don't scrunch things up.

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thanks can I do it by machine, or do you recommend by hand?
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XD owners,

Would you able to see the XD weave at 15ft? or never?

I am planning to get the XD material, and want to know what is the minimum distance to be in the safe side,

I can however move to 16ft if this is the safest distance, and this would give me another good reason to get a larger screen


In addition, do you think Epson 5030 would be a good option for the XD 140 or 145" Diagonal 16:9 with a throw ratio of 18-19ft ? note that i will have light controlled HT, grey walls and dark ceiling;

Or should i consider JVC X500R or X55R or even Sony?


I am only interested in 2D content, and will never use the shift/memory feature as i will have 16:9 screen with manual masking panels.


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It's hard for me to see any weave at 7 feet back on a 120" screen
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Is it possible those seeing the weave are actually seeing light from behind the screen?
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Is it possible those seeing the weave are actually seeing light from behind the screen?
At less than 11' I can see the weave. That is what I use as my recommendation point. If closer than 11' consider UF or EN4K.

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at 10'6" front row I can see it in certain sceens if I am looking for it. If I am enjoying the movie not so much. My second row at 16' I can not see it at all.
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I have a question about the premier frame. I have a 10 foot wide 16:9 frame and i was wondering if it's possible to screw a few door hinges at one of the sides so that i can open the screen like a door. Would the aluminium frame be strong enough for this application? It's a little difficult to use the french cleat if one were to always need to access into the back of the screen.
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I have a question about the premier frame. I have a 10 foot wide 16:9 frame and i was wondering if it's possible to screw a few door hinges at one of the sides so that i can open the screen like a door. Would the aluminium frame be strong enough for this application? It's a little difficult to use the french cleat if one were to always need to access into the back of the screen.
We've done that. The frame is plenty strong but because it's so easy to do, we attach a stainless steel cable to hold the diagonal in tension. Let us know if you need help.

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We've done that. The frame is plenty strong but because it's so easy to do, we attach a stainless steel cable to hold the diagonal in tension. Let us know if you need help.

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Chris,

Do you have a simple drawing on how you did it... for instance, where do you pull the cable from to where (which point). Also, how many hinges did you use? And how you attached them. Thanks.
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