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If PJ is calibrated to the dragonfly which is low gain I think that the UF would come out much better and explains why the XD is washed out
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If PJ is calibrated to the dragonfly which is low gain I think that the UF would come out much better and explains why the XD is washed out
Correct, PJ is calibrated to the Dragonfly screen. The x-rite i1 was used to read reflected light off the screen, and not straight from projector. This was for color tuning only, not brightness. Brightness was manually dialed in and was reduced a little for this test.. from ~60/100 to 50/100 on low lamp mode.
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Has anyone added masking to a Seymour Precision frame? I don't really want to pay the higher price for the Premier frame just to add their masking but they say their masking will not work with the smaller frame of the Precision. The other option is split the difference in price and go with Falcon.
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cnebrask -

Did you have a black material behind the samples? If not, then your evaluation isn't valid. Duplicate reflective materials will give you falsely high gains, kill your black levels and introduce pixel bloom. You always want a black secondary layer to any AT screen. If you didn't have a secondary black material behind it, please replace with new pics if you get them.

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Hey Chris,

I did not have any black material behind the sample. What would your recommend placing between the samples and my screen? I don't think i have any black material laying around. And, I'd be more than happy to re-test and post more pics. I'll even use a better camera next time!


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Did you have a black material behind the samples? If not, then your evaluation isn't valid. Duplicate reflective materials will give you falsely high gains, kill your black levels and introduce pixel bloom. You always want a black secondary layer to any AT screen. If you didn't have a secondary black material behind it, please replace with new pics if you get them.

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Anything as dark as possible. Maybe a magazine page, construction paper, of course any fabric. Or you can cut a hole out of that Dragonfly. That would work.

That bleedy Verizon pic was looking like those spandex screen doofuses.

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Construction paper... My wife literally just bought a 1000 sheets at Costco for my 3 yr old son. Although cutting a hole in my screen might be easier!

I'll try to get some new pictures and opinions up tomorrow.

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That bleedy Verizon pic was looking like those spandex screen doofuses.
I almost did a spit take with my beer! Good one!
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That bleedy Verizon pic was looking like those spandex screen doofuses.
Ouch...but you're not wrong.

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I almost did a spit take with my beer! Good one!
Extra funny as a spandex turned XD user I suppose. If I remember correctly you "saw the diffuse light" and made the jump a couple years ago.

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Extra funny as a spandex turned XD user I suppose. If I remember correctly you "saw the diffuse light" and made the jump a couple years ago.
Haha yeah and ex-doofus, I hope.
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Chris, I taped the samples to sheets of black Construction paper. I held them up to a 60 watt bulb and could not see any light shinning through. With that said, the results were significant.

I let the projector warm up for 15 minutes or so. The first 3 pictures were taken with accent lights on, about middle of the dimmer. XD is on the left and UF is on the right.


Startup, some ambient light to each side of screen.





Lights out, pitch dark

























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Remember the calabration. To be fair you would need to calabration with each sample or us default mode on PJ
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Remember, I only tuned the colors (RGB) with my x-rite on my high contrast screen. No adjustments were made to brightness, contrast, etc, all defaults. If i were nit-picking the colors, which I am not, I would certainly tune the projector to each material. I was really just curious to see how the materials handled ambient light, and how bright (and dark) they are. I'm sure I could gain some black level on the XD material by turning the brightness down, and gain a little brightness on with the UF with some minor tweaking. I also wanted to see how much of the weave I could see at X distance. I was able to eliminate this as an issue with both materials at my seating distance.

In regards to color, with the addition of the black substrate, both materials were very neutral which is good. In my environment, I'm really looking for a material that is AT and can handle a minimal amount of ambient light. The UF material seems to fit the bill for me in this respect. It was only slightly worse than my HC grey screen, which i think is huge compliment.

Also, keep in mind, the image in person looks a good big better in person than in photos.






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Anyone try the ENlightor-Bright? I have tried the Enlightor-4K and like how it looks but am thinking I may need the 1.1 gain and would like to try that out. I emailed Jon but he hasn't responded yet. Thoughts on Enlightor-Bright?
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The official SeymourAV center stage screen thread!

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Has anyone added masking to a Seymour Precision frame? I don't really want to pay the higher price for the Premier frame just to add their masking but they say their masking will not work with the smaller frame of the Precision. The other option is split the difference in price and go with Falcon.

Wondering same thing - Falcon just posted a 5 week delay and was hoping to get something by SB. Plus, falcon doesn't yet have CW masks.

I'm guessing the masks are sized to the precision frame which is thicker than the premier frame so that's why they won't work. If you tried to use them on premier frames, there'd be a gap.

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