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Hi hughtt,

thank you so much for sharing those pictures. This Sir simply looks brilliant. I'd love to watch a movie there.

So you would go for a zero edge again?

Greetings from Germany
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Hughtt, you have an awesome system! I really like the look of the Zero Edge screen in your room (living room?). Every time you watch a movie it must be an event...

Thanks for the compliments.
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Hi hughtt,

thank you so much for sharing those pictures. This Sir simply looks brilliant. I'd love to watch a movie there.

So you would go for a zero edge again?

Greetings from Germany
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Thanks. Sure, I would go for this screen again by the fact that I don't have to paint my whole room totally dark in order to watch a movie.
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How is the viewing angle on these screens? What about 3D?

I will be using an epson pro 6010
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Finally my 120" 1.4 gain screen arrived after 3 weeks waiting. It looks wonderfull when the sun is down and the lights are dimmed. During the day, with what I currently have on my windows, I don't think I really want to watch anything on it yet.

Stellar... The B&W Diamond (those are the 802's, correct?) and McIntosh combo is hard to beat in my opinion. I haven't read the whole thread, so I'm not sure if you already said it, but what you were using to cover the LFE department and what Projector are you using?

 

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Stellar... The B&W Diamond (those are the 802's, correct?) and McIntosh combo is hard to beat in my opinion. I haven't read the whole thread, so I'm not sure if you already said it, but what you were using to cover the LFE department and what Projector are you using?

Those are 802D's. For LFE, I use an old Velodyne SPL1200 sub. The projector is JVC RS45.
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Do the Black Diamond screens still have 3D issues when used with Sony projectors?
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Do the Black Diamond screens still have 3D issues when used with Sony projectors?

No, Sony resolved the issue with an additional filter!

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Does anyone know a US dealer that will ship international, there's no distributors in my country and price of the other neighboring countries are outrageous, also the two I contacted are not taking custom size orders.
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Hi,

point your question directly to Shannon@screeninnovations.com

That will do
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Hi,

point your question directly to Shannon@screeninnovations.com

That will do

Thx r4Yn,

I see you're in Germany, so am I, did you ordered one directly from them or how did it worked for you?
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Your welcome mate

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I ended up with a Draper ReAct II, but my next screen will be a Black Diamond.
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What is the largest [width in 2.37/2.4] and highest gain available on the ZeroEdge product?

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How is the viewing angle on these screens? What about 3D?

I will be using an epson pro 6010

With most screens, as you increase gain, viewing angle decreases. The BD screens are the opposite. The 0.8 gain has the least, with the 1.4 gain having a larger viewing angle and the 2.7 has the largest viewing angle. Viewing angle with the 1.4 should not be a problem in nearly any HT room.

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I've just bought a 92' Black Diamond 16:9 in the .8 screen material. I currently have a white 1.2 gain 106' right now in a completely light controlled basement with light green walls and a white ceiling. The projector is a pt-ae 3000u and I am a little concerned it will not have enough light for this screen. I figure going with the slightly smaller size will help. I just can't stand having the projector wash out my blacks like it is doing now with the current set-up.
With my projector being ceiling mounted I am worried that I will have image drop-off. This means I may have to use a telescopic mount to lower the projector. If the Panasonic can't put out enough light then I may need a new projector. When my wife found out I bought the screen (and have to drive several hours to pick it up) she freaked out!! She theatend to divorce me and move back home..... Oh well, at least then I can paint the walls and ceiling!
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Ok, so I've got my Black Diamond screen and first impressions are WOW..... Rough calibration does give some slight "sparklies" on whites (like my old 1.8 gain gray screen) but the black level is almost creepy.....Going to watch "Senna" on bluray tomorrow...looking forward to it......
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Sounds excellent. Senna is on DVD only AFAIK and it is a documentary with rough footage. It is a good documentary no doubt... my wife is Brazilian, so there was a bit more to it when we watched it a few weeks ago. You should try something with a bit more dark scenes and some contrasty shots. I've been using Captain America for my calibration tests since the first chapter has a mix of both.
I can't wait to get my screen. I am however still on the fence mainly for a lack of budget. I have a Lumagen XS-3D and a 110 1.4 BDII on my sight and neither one is cheap


Correction: I just noticed that Senna is also on blu-ray. I guess Netflix is a bit behind.

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sports on a 2.35:1 BD screen - do you guys stretch it or watch with bars on the side? and a follow up question: how do you like it? i'm trying to talk myself into a 2:35 zero edge for the family room.
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Sounds excellent. Senna is on DVD only AFAIK and it is a documentary with rough footage. It is a good documentary no doubt... my wife is Brazilian, so there was a bit more to it when we watched it a few weeks ago. You should try something with a bit more dark scenes and some contrasty shots. I've been using Captain America for my calibration tests since the first chapter has a mix of both.
I can't wait to get my screen. I am however still on the fence mainly for a lack of budget. I have a Lumagen XS-3D and a 110 1.4 BDII on my sight and neither one is cheap

Correction: I just noticed that Senna is also on blu-ray. I guess Netflix is a bit behind.

I'd recommend Star Trek (the newer remake) for the ultimate test of this screen.

Amazing contrast in space scenes. First time I watched this on the BDII, someone in my audience bought the exact same projector and screen combo as mine, just because he had never see anything like it.
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I have literally read every post on this 97 page thread. And for the long and sometimes tedious work, I have gathered a ton of great info regard the BD .8, 1.4 and the 2.7.

I have been to Best Buy to watch their 106", BD .8, Gen II and was impressed on how it performed in their room with all the lights on and light coming from the open doors.

I will be installing the Epson 5010 PJ which will reside in the family room and it's beam will light a 100" diag., 16:9 BD .9, motorized, recessed, screen which comes out this August as per Amy of SI.

It is going to be expensive but not as much the Supernova Flex, recessed with an MSRP of $11,000.00 per the quote I received from the DNP store manager.



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I have literally read every post on this 97 page thread. And for the long and sometimes tedious work, I have gathered a ton of great info regard the BD .9, 1.4 and the 2.7.

I have been to Best Buy to watch their 106", BD .9, Gen II and was impressed on how it performed in their room with all the lights on and light coming from the open doors.

I will be installing the Epson 5010 PJ which will reside in the family room and it's beam will light a 100" diag., 16:9 BD .9, motorized, recessed, screen which comes out this August as per Amy of SI.

It is going to be expensive but not as much the Supernova Flex, recessed with an MSRP of $11,000.00 per the quote I received from the DNP store manager.



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Is that a .8 or a .9 BD?

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You posted just when I was coming back in to make the change to .8



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Here is a statement that I read about page 70 of this thread. I went back to find it but could not.

A gentleman in the Netherlands said that his friend was taking calibration classes and during one class they used the BD as the screen for the PJs and discovered the screen could not be calibrated. So, in his class notes the screen was marked as not-being-able-to-calibrate.

I found this statement to be extremely important but I was surprised that no one posted a reply refuting it.

What say you regarding the class finding?




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Finally my 120" 1.4 gain screen arrived after 3 weeks waiting. It looks wonderfull when the sun is down and the lights are dimmed. During the day, with what I currently have on my windows, I don't think I really want to watch anything on it yet.

Wow, nice setup, what kinda lighting tricks do you have going on there?
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Here is a statement that I read about page 70 of this thread. I went back to find it but could not.

A gentleman in the Netherlands said that his friend was taking calibration classes and during one class they used the BD as the screen for the PJs and discover that the screen could not be calibrated. So, in his class notes the screen was marked as not-being-able-to-calibrate.

I found this statement to be extremely important but I was surprised that no one posted a reply refuting it.

What say you regarding the class finding?




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This is an interesting conclusion. I don't have a BD but seriously considering one; however, no calibration capabilities would a deal breaker for me.
I wonder if it is because on a FPJ screen meters measure the reflected light at an angle and the BD is supposed to mitigate all reflected light at angles greater than the typical viewing ones.
I am interested to know more. My JVC RS50 has a built in reflectivity index for SI, but I am not sure if it is for the BD. Real live experiences and feedback would be nice, anyone?

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My first attempt at "self calibration" (by eye alone) yielded some decent results. However, after watching a few movies, I found the picture was over saturated and even worse had a big drop in shadow detail. The good news was I didn't notice much (if any) drop in brightness or loss of viewing angle. 20 mins into Star Trek 2009 this morning I again recalibrated but this time really tried to balance black level/shadow detail and brightness. The next 1.5 hours of viewing was extremely enjoyable. My powered white screen is still installed, so I have the luxury of dropping it in front of the Black Diamond at anytime during a flick to compare the two. I continue to be very impressed with the BD.
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My first attempt at "self calibration" (by eye alone) yielded some decent results. However, after watching a few movies, I found the picture was over saturated and even worse had a big drop in shadow detail. The good news was I didn't notice much (if any) drop in brightness or loss of viewing angle. 20 mins into Star Trek 2009 this morning I again recalibrated but this time really tried to balance black level/shadow detail and brightness. The next 1.5 hours of viewing was extremely enjoyable. My powered white screen is still installed, so I have the luxury of dropping it in front of the Black Diamond at anytime during a flick to compare the two. I continue to be very impressed with the BD.

Did you try the AVS disk? Adjusting the contrast and brightness does not require any special equipment and is fairly straight forward with the basic black and white patterns. For the rest (grayscale, gamma, and CMS), you will need the software and meter. Anyone out there with Calman or Chromapure and a decent meter?
On one of the promo videos from SI, they brag about calibration and being able to calibrate for just one light condition since the BDII screens are viewable during day and night lighting conditions, and you can practically retain the same calibration settings (I tend to disagree).

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How much for a 106" BD screen in the HDTV (16:9) format? I can't find a price online. I was looking at other screens in the 1000 dollar range but everyone keeps talking about how amazing this screen is. It would be used with an Epson 6010 in a dedicated room.

Aren't most Blu Ray movies in the 16:9 format? Would there be any benefit of going with the 2:35:1 or 2:40:1?
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How much for a 106" BD screen in the HDTV (16:9) format? I can't find a price online. I was looking at other screens in the 1000 dollar range but everyone keeps talking about how amazing this screen is. It would be used with an Epson 6010 in a dedicated room.

Aren't most Blu Ray movies in the 16:9 format? Would there be any benefit of going with the 2:35:1 or 2:40:1?

For material other than in 16:9 format, you will need an expensive lens system if you want it well done. Some newer projectors have internal masking systems, but they are done at a software level with compromises in overall quality.
Projector People dot com has the BD in the typical 16:9 or 2.35:1. You will have to decide on the gain since there are 3 options today. 0.8, 1.4 and 2.7 if am not mistaken. Since you have light control, maybe the 0.8 or 1.4 would be good depending if you will like to use it with the lights on often. Consider the variables: size, gain, viewing preference (dark or lit room), viewing angle. All the latter are related of course and typically it goes like this:
Bigger size require more lumens out of your projector; higher gain screens will give you higher brightness in front but decreases to half brightness at angles as small as 40 degrees of the main viewing point (dead center); too much gain also increases hot spotting or sparkles in the BD.
Also if your projector does 3D and you think it is a must, you may consider even the 2.7. Active shutter glasses 3D decrease the projector's light entering your eyes by up to 60 percent.
One last item is calibration. I am not completely sure how well you can calibrate the BD since no one has commented on my last post.

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For material other than in 16:9 format, you will need an expensive lens system if you want it well done. Some newer projectors have internal masking systems, but they are done at a software level with compromises in overall quality.
Projector People dot com has the BD in the typical 16:9 or 2.35:1. You will have to decide on the gain since there are 3 options today. 0.8, 1.4 and 2.7 if am not mistaken. Since you have light control, maybe the 0.8 or 1.4 would be good depending if you will like to use it with the lights on often. Consider the variables: size, gain, viewing preference (dark or lit room), viewing angle. All the latter are related of course and typically it goes like this:
Bigger size require more lumens out of your projector; higher gain screens will give you higher brightness in front but decreases to half brightness at angles as small as 40 degrees of the main viewing point (dead center); too much gain also increases hot spotting or sparkles in the BD.
Also if your projector does 3D and you think it is a must, you may consider even the 2.7. Active shutter glasses 3D decrease the projector's light entering your eyes by up to 60 percent.
One last item is calibration. I am not completely sure how well you can calibrate the BD since no one has commented on my last post.

Thanks! Damn! $2900 bucks! That's nearly 3X's the cost I was gonna spend. Is the picture on this screen really 3 times better then a typical screen or does the law of diminishing returns come into play here? Any deals to be had on these screens or are they priced as is?

I'm thinking the 1.4 gain screen should be good for my needs
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