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post #541 of 3703 Old 09-09-2008, 12:59 PM
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Well I think they will do better with the RS232 and remote implementation. Just like the RS2X, they have added RS232 and IR for the direct V-Stretch. The bummer is that it can't be applied to the original RS1 projectors. I think with some of the griping that has gone on here, there is a better chance for a better implementation.

I could totally be wrong too. I have noticed that JVC always seems to be lagging in the software side of their machines. Sony is much better in that regard. On the other hand, Sony isn't pulling off a 30,000:1 native CR either.

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One of the main drivers for the 12V triggers on the 750 is for an outboard anamorphic lens so you would think that the rest of the projector would be designed to integrate it easily. The menuing system has been redesigned too so the odds are good that it will have discrete codes.
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That movie had messed up black levels, and there was no way to adjust for it.

Was video black elevated or something? The black levels seemed right to me but the overall APL of every scene just seemed to be rock bottom.
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I think JVC is going to sell a ton of these. The RS20 will really hit a sweet spot with the picky AVS crowd and the 350 is going to hit the sweet spot at the lower end too. I think JVC is about to expand their market share.... If I worked for another projector manufacturer, I think I'd be circulating my resume right about now lol.

I agree Hey - maybe we should all buy JVC stock ASAP ...seriously
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Was video black elevated or something? The black levels seemed right to me but the overall APL of every scene just seemed to be rock bottom.

To me, it seemed that they didn't want to spend money on the movie, so they made every thing disappear in the blackness. If you raised the black level, so you could see some shadow detail, then there were scenes with elevated black level that looked milky. It was disappointing, because I think its predecessor looked very good (although neither were really good movies).

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Does anybody know how to account for the different contrast ratings between the RS10 and the HD350 (17,000:1 vs 15,000:1). For all intents and purposes these units should be identical. JVC is breaking precedent and not following their usual forumula of keeping the professional series identical to the consumer series. I wonder how they are squeezing the extra contrast out of the RS10?

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Does anybody know how to account for the different contrast ratings between the RS10 and the HD350 (17,000:1 vs 15,000:1). For all intents and purposes these units should be identical. JVC is breaking precedent and not following their usual forumula of keeping the professional series identical to the consumer series. I wonder how they are squeezing the extra contrast out of the RS10?

That is strange... I thought that might of been misinformation from the rep's but the press release confirms it.
Is anyone actually considering the 350 over the 750/RS20 though? At that price, whats another 2 grand? (I would also think there might be more of discount on the RS20 due to it being a higher amount).
The RS10/750 is overpriced compared to the features in the RS20/750 IMO.
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Does anybody know how to account for the different contrast ratings between the RS10 and the HD350 (17,000:1 vs 15,000:1). For all intents and purposes these units should be identical. JVC is breaking precedent and not following their usual forumula of keeping the professional series identical to the consumer series. I wonder how they are squeezing the extra contrast out of the RS10?

I said this in another thread, but I'll say it again. Is it possible to get 2k contrast increase from a projector if one is set to REC709 and one is set to a slightly more saturated level? Could this be why there is a difference?
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Does anybody know how to account for the different contrast ratings between the RS10 and the HD350 (17,000:1 vs 15,000:1).

Speaking from experience in a different imaging field, I found that the consumer and professional marketing areas in a company can measure the same property and come up with slightly different answers. You can attribute this to slightly differing measuring techniques, to measurement error, or to statistical differences between the pieces of equipment being measured. Two marketing areas in the same company can be quite independent of one another, so I don't think you should be worried about this small difference in contrast. IMO, there's way too much focus on numbers here without any appreciation for measurement error.

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I said this in another thread, but I'll say it again. Is it possible to get 2k contrast increase from a projector if one is set to REC709 and one is set to a slightly more saturated level? Could this be why there is a difference?

I don't think so. My guess is they may be grading the chips during test similar to what is done with CPU's. The RS20/750 will get the best, the RS10 the next tier and then the 350. Just a guess though...
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To me, it seemed that they didn't want to spend money on the movie, so they made every thing disappear in the blackness. If you raised the black level, so you could see some shadow detail, then there were scenes with elevated black level that looked milky. It was disappointing, because I think its predecessor looked very good (although neither were really good movies).

It seemed to me that the problem was that the foreground grey was too dark. There wasn't enough separation between the black background and the dark grey foreground content. It may be that they filmed the whole thing too dark and then had to push it when it was mastered. The net result is this is by far the lowest APL movie I've ever seen. I think I'll watch it again when the RS20 arrives
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It seemed to me that the problem was that the foreground grey was too dark. There wasn't enough separation between the black background and the dark grey foreground content. It may be that they filmed the whole thing too dark and then had to push it when it was mastered. The net result is this is by far the lowest APL movie I've ever seen. I think I'll watch it again when the RS20 arrives

Its certainly test material. If you can tell whats going on, you got good black levels.
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Its certainly test material. If you can tell whats going on, you got good black levels.

But then again, it was the kind of movie where it's probably best not to know what's going on
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But then again, it was the kind of movie where it's probably best not to know what's going on

Thats true.
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Does anyone know if the throw ratio range is same as before?

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YES ! It seems it should be the same
But due to the 6cm more in deep, in my case, I must do the hole in the back wall of my theater to achieve the same large image as mine by HD100 ...
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YES ! It seems it should be the same
But due to the 6cm more in deep, in my case, I must do the hole in the back wall of my theater to achieve the same large image as mine by HD100 ...

Didn't you get the memo? Holes in walls improve black levels

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YES ! It seems it should be the same
But due to the 6cm more in deep, in my case, I must do the hole in the back wall of my theater to achieve the same large image as mine by HD100 ...

Are you sure? - remember that you no longer need room for cables behind the unit (as they come out of the side now)
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Unluckly, I'm shure
The new 750 in 6cm more in deep !
My actual HD100 is cabled back with hdmi and powercord 90 degrees angle adapters so I needed only 1cm more of it's max deep !
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Unluckly, I'm shure
The new 750 in 6cm more in deep !
My actual HD100 is cabled back with hdmi and powercord 90 degrees angle adapters so I needed only 1cm more of it's max deep !

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HD750, could be for me a pain ...
I must win the battle Vs my wife to conquer the rights to make the hole in the wall !!
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HD750, could be for me a pain ...
I must win the battle Vs my wife to conquer the rights to make the hole in the wall !!

1 cm? You could come with a spoon at night and carve the hole, then you just have to cover it with something during the day. Just like the prison movies.
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But not 1cm ... I must earn at last 5cm !! better 6 !
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But not 1cm ... I must earn at last 5cm !! better 6 !

What exactly are you guys talking about?

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What exactly are you guys talking about?

Penis enlargment
After all, isn't upgrading vpr each and every year the answer to a need of compensation?

Back to topic: I'd love to purchase one of these projectors... In a month or 2 I'll move to a new house, I hope this projector will have enough room to justify the purchase
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LOL

lagoon .... Just enough the HD100 !!
But the 750 I think will be astonish !!
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1 cm? You could come with a spoon at night and carve the hole, then you just have to cover it with something during the day. Just like the prison movies.

Ahh married life and Alcatraz, who would have thought of the similarities?
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Highlander,

How much too small will the image be if you use it 6 cm too close? Maybe you can just add a bigger border to your screen.

It's also possibly that a 750 will work as is; I believe the standard tolerance on throw ratio is 10%.

Or you could sit the 750 sideways on the shelf and use a small mirror at 45 deg to reflect the image to the screen.

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Any guesses to the street price of the rs-20?
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question for the guys who went to the cedia show, how did the rs20 and the panasonic 3000 compare? the numbers, specs. seem similar to me who didn't see the demos.
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