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Tom,

"What more could I possibly add."

You could address the many questions about whether the RS10 has a more accurate color preset than the RS1.

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Brian, I remember well the RS2 demo, I saw the big dff in pic and did not stick around, no for sure I saw the RS20 demo. But the 2.4 and 1.78 demo that I am recalling was I believe the demo at the main booth at the cc, where the projector was known as the HD750.[/quote]

Oh, that makes sense. Maybe the show at the JVC booth at the Convention Center had that setup. I'm talking about the off site setup.

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In looking at those nice pics of the JVC's, it LOOKS like the exhaust vents are somewhat closer to the rear of the pj than the front. I didn't really look closely at the units I saw in Denver; does anyone remember anything about this? (It would be best for me if they are indeed closer to the rear.)

The intake is at the front, front left side I believe looking at the front, the exhaust is on the side now. Very quiet. My head was right near it and I couldn't hear it.
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My "unofficial" official order has just been placed for the the RS20.
I hear an AVS announcement could be very, very soon. Maybe before the weekend.

For any interested my low mileage RS1 with lot's of extras is now for sale to a good home...... PM's welcome.

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"The intake is at the front, front left side I believe looking at the front, the exhaust is on the side now. Very quiet. My head was right near it and I couldn't hear it."

Yes, I also put my ear up close to the exhaust vent and could hear very little noise. My question was the LOCATION of the exhaust vent: it looks in the pics that it is somewhat closer to the rear of the pj (on the right side) than it is to the front; at least that is what I would like it to be.
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Well, I don't claim infallibility, but let's see where I went wrong:

Area = (130/12)^2/2.4 = 48.9 ft^2

17 ftL = Lumens*1.3/Area ==> Lumens = 17*48.9/1.3 = ~640 .

My math came from assuming the 2.4 screen wasn't using a lens. Yes if it used a lens (which ie appears to from tzucc's post below) then yeah, it would be what you have.

To put things in perspective, cine4home got 500-700 lumens (depending on throw/zoom) on the RS1 with low lamp. Comparatively they got only 370-570 lumens from the RS2.

So if we're putting all the clues together correctly, that would make the RS20 right on par with the RS1, which is about 20% brighter than the RS2.

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I am positive that the screen was 130" wide in 2.4:1 mode, and yes in that mode it had the panamorph lens slide in front, but the first demo was in 16:9 mode without the lens, and in 16:9 it was 110" wide. That was my single biggest task at CEDIA to see what dimensions and what gain screen would the RS20 look good with, and so I burned those figures into the few brain cells still working.

Did they use 2 screens, or some zooming? Because a lens should stretch a 110" wide 16x9 image to 146".

See what an anamorphoscopic lens can do, see movies the way they were meant to be seen
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Preview will be finished this week. Please note it will not be a complete test as:

a) It was Pre-Production and in some parts not final yet
b) We only had one day with that machine last week.

Anyway, we got many interesting results...

Regards,
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My math came from assuming the 2.4 screen wasn't using a lens. Yes if it used a lens (which ie appears to from tzucc's post below) then yeah, it would be what you have.

To put things in perspective, cine4home got 500-700 lumens (depending on throw/zoom) on the RS1 with low lamp. Comparatively they got only 370-570 lumens from the RS2.

So if we're putting all the clues together correctly, that would make the RS20 right on par with the RS1, which is about 20% brighter than the RS2.



Did they use 2 screens, or some zooming? Because a lens should stretch a 110" wide 16x9 image to 146".

The convention center booth JVC demo had ONE screen with CIH masking between the 130" 2.4 and the 1.78 Stewart Studiotek 130 (not microperf'd), with motorized masking AND a Panamorph lens which he called out by name.

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Any projector will really look awful without a lens. I think you guys mean without an add on anamorphic lens in place.

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I hear an AVS announcement could be very, very soon. Maybe before the weekend.

Are you hearing simply an announcement or a more enticing deal?
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IF your enticeable in the least your screwed Yes, both of the above.
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I was thinking the same thing. Somebody get Ekkehart a scribe

better yet, get Michael Phelps and a Rosetta Stone

All this talk is killing me. It really reminds me of the RS1 launch. Keep it coming!
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Any experience comparing the deinterlacing/scaling of a Reon, vs. the Lumagen Radiance or VP50 deinterlacing/scaling aspects only?
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Any experience comparing the deinterlacing/scaling of a Reon, vs. the Lumagen Radiance or VP50 deinterlacing/scaling aspects only?

I can't comment on the Gennum because I never use it on my RS-1 but I like the VP50 because it works well and has a lot of features (video switching, per pixel aspect ratio correction, etc.). I don't think that it cadence locks as fast as a HQV based VP that I've used in the past though so I see jaggies a little more often. Given the choice between the buggier HQV solution and a few more jaggies on the VP50 Pro I opted for the jaggies. I am curious about the Reon and may run the VP50 in pass through mode once I get the RS20.
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Preview will be finished this week. Please note it will not be a complete test as:

a) It was Pre-Production and in some parts not final yet
b) We only had one day with that machine last week.

Anyway, we got many interesting results...

Regards,
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Tick, tick, tick....

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Tick, tick, tick....


My thought exactly!
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Tick, tick, tick....


Glad that Cine4home does previews of upcoming projectors since we won't be seeing official reviews till, probably, early next year. If I recall, Greg Rogers got his RS1 test unit before, or very close, to the shipping date and we didn't see the review come out a month or two later. My WSR subscription had expired several months ago. I might have to sign up again for next year.
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Haven't heard much from the AVScience folks in this thread in the last week. Hoping to hear something about preorders or more exact availability dates. Jason, do you have any info for us??
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I recently saw some of my DVDs and Blu Ray discs projected by the Mitsubishi HC600 and came away very impressed with the image, especially the clarity and sharpness.
That projector has a rep for being perhaps the LCD with the sharpest available image and indeed I was amazed how clear and detailed even decent DVDs were on this unit (the screen was 94" diag, I believe). I don't know what in the design is responsible for the sharpness of the Mitsubishi's image, but it was compelling.

I wonder if the new JVC RS20 will be in the same league of image clarity. That would be pretty cool....
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Sharpness really is amongst my highest concerns in a new projector. Don't like soft film-like images although some movies are intended like that. Is it true that DLP typically offer the sharpness that LCD doesn't. I recently saw a Runco RS900 in action and it was sharp as a tack. I saw RS2 and SONY VPW200 and they weren't.
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I recently saw some of my DVDs and Blu Ray discs projected by the Mitsubishi HC600 and came away very impressed with the image, especially the clarity and sharpness.
That projector has a rep for being perhaps the LCD with the sharpest available image and indeed I was amazed how clear and detailed even decent DVDs were on this unit (the screen was 94" diag, I believe). I don't know what in the design is responsible for the sharpness of the Mitsubishi's image, but it was compelling.

I wonder if the new JVC RS20 will be in the same league of image clarity. That would be pretty cool....


I had the HC4900 for a short while and compared to the RS1 it "appeared" razor sharp. I believe much of it had to do with the pixels being more visible than the RS1. It gave the impression of increased detail though it was not nearly as filmlike. It was actually a great projector except for the contrast, which was absolutely horrible compared to the RS1 and even compared to most DC2 DLPs.
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Tick, tick, tick....


Hmmm. It's already ~ 8pm in Germany, so it looks like we may be out of luck this week, unless Ekkehart is in on the weekend.
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Ekkehart ...are you there????
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I've been playing with the pics of the RS20/10 that were put up and have a revision of the measurements I estimated earlier: the center of the lens is ~1.6" from the lateral midpoint of the pj. And the distance from the lens center to the furthest side does seem to be ~ the same as that of the RS1/2.
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Ekkehart ...are you there????

There's always email:

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Ekkehart ...are you there????


Hi guys!

The preview is finished but we have to wait first until we get the final infos from JVC regarding our results. This is unavoidable as we tested a pre-production sample. Just a matter of days I think, so dont worry

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Hi guys!

The preview is finished but we have to wait first until we get the final infos from JVC regarding our results. This is unavoidable as we tested a pre-production sample. Just a matter of days I think, so dont worry

Regards,
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How about just a little hint of things to whet our appetites?

Please?

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How about just a little hint of things to whet our appetites?

Please?


I think we got quite definate results regarding brightness and contrast. It seems the light engine is quite finished. The published specs from JVC seem not to be exagerated.

The CMS already works but needed alot of patience to get under control. What is not finished yet as it seems is the signal processing / the HQV programming and the motorized Focus / Zoom.

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I think we got quite definate results regarding brightness and contrast. It seems the light engine is quite finished. The published specs from JVC seem not to be exagerated.

The CMS already works but needed alot of patience to get under control. What is not finished yet as it seems is the signal processing / the HQV programming and the motorized Focus / Zoom.

Regards,
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Wonderful!

Thank you very much.

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I think we got quite definate results regarding brightness and contrast. It seems the light engine is quite finished. The published specs from JVC seem not to be exagerated.

The CMS already works but needed alot of patience to get under control. What is not finished yet as it seems is the signal processing / the HQV programming and the motorized Focus / Zoom.

Regards,
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Sounds great. I can't wait to see the specs...
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