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This is not to poke at anyone.But why is fp the only TV'S people want to upgrade every year.No one does this with other type's of Tv's.I grew up keeping the same TV intill it broke.Chasing these specs' to think you will get better blacks contrast resolution ect is a expensive game.Like audio'Room treatments will usally get more bang'like painting the ceilings black ect.To me it just looks like a addiction.I am guilty also.I can see wanting a new fp if you have a older 720p and want one of the new 1080p.But if I had a sony vw60 or Jvc rs1 or AE2000'I would not want to upgrade to just have the latest fp.Myself I want a new 1080p to replace my ax200.I think I will get a worth while bang.Thanks

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This is not to poke at anyone.But why is fp the only TV'S people want to upgrade every year.No one does this with other type's of Tv's.I grew up keeping the same TV intill it broke.Chasing these specs' to think you will get better blacks contrast resolution ect is a expensive game.Like audio'Room treatments will usally get more bang'like painting the ceilings black ect.To me it just looks like a addiction.I am guilty also.I can see wanting a new fp if you have a older 720p and want one of the new 1080p.But if I had a sony vw60 or Jvc rs1 or AE2000'I would not want to upgrade to just have the latest fp.Myself I want a new 1080p to replace my ax200.I think I will get a worth while bang.Thanks

I think there are several factors:

1) sample selection: the discussions here tend to be among folks who are pretty seriously into home theater, not folks just buying a TV. People reading this forum tend to have more disposable income than most, and have put some effort (often a very great deal) into optimizing their movie experience.

2) ease of replacement: It's a whole lot easier to swap out a projector than it was to swap out a TV, especially a CRT. What do you do with the old big one? Projector swapping is easier: drop the old one back in it's box and sell it on craigslist. Put the new one on the shelf, wire it up, and start calibrating.

3) TV wasn't the weakest link: Until the late 90's, broadcast TV and VCR's were the weak link in the picture quality for most folks. Upsizing your normal tube TV didn't buy you that much, if you had a good one to begin with. Once the DVD and now HD discs came out, and people started using affordable projectors, the projector became the weakest link. Upgrading to the next generation projector would give you a visibly better picture.

4) Standard for Comparison: Back in the 90's and before, you were watching TV. It wasn't a movie theater replacement. A new TV wouldn't make 'watching TV' that much better. These days, however, a better comparison is going to the movies. The bar has been raised. A new projector can get you close to the new 'gold standard' of your own private movie theater.

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will make my daughter and son-in-law happy (to inherent the RS1)

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A few observations: in re-thinking all the discussion that has gone on over the past year, about what one would see in an 'RS3', as it was referred to, the most universal plea from the user community was for a CMS. And yet the responses from company representatives were almost unanimous that this would/could not happen; there was JVC's RSVP for persons that really needed 'correct colors' (Bob Sorel, are you still there?) And now we see that the new RS20 (==HD750) will in fact have a CMS.

To me, this highlights two things: 1) JVC (and maybe other manufacturers too) actually do listen to what consumers want; kudos to JVC! 2) One can never know what is coming down the pike: for obvious competitive reasons, manufacturers' spokesman cannot reveal what features the next generation products will possess; this is frustrating for us consumers, but fully understandable. And it heightens the anticipation!
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Dont count out us RSVP2 owners yet... wait, thats just me. Tom stated there may be a firmware for the VP to compliment this new RS. That makes me believe that the CMS might not be what you guys want. In all honesty, anyone that can tell a difference between the RS1 set to -12 and corrected colors (not me) would have some sort of VP anyways.
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I think that JVC kinda listens. I will say that they don't listen much to the people that have already purchased their machines. Trying to get RS232 codes and the like (which should have been there in the first place) from JVC is difficult indeed. You talk to their US people and they tell you that nothing can be done because it is controlled by the Japanese group.

Love the products, but the post release support sucks. IMHO

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Dont count out us RSVP2 owners yet... wait, thats just me. Tom stated there may be a firmware for the VP to compliment this new RS. That makes me believe that the CMS might not be what you guys want. In all honesty, anyone that can tell a difference between the RS1 set to -12 and corrected colors (not me) would have some sort of VP anyways.

My understanding (which could be totally wrong!) is that the RSVP2 has 'presets' for SMPTEC colors for the RS1 and RS2, but not an actual CMS that allows color calibration. (But I presume that the RSVP2 also has vp'ing in addition to this.) If the RS20 has an actual CMS, and not presets, then one will need some kind of instruments (or hire an ISF'er) to do the color calibration. (In anticipation of getting a VP, though, I bought a EYE-1 LT a month or so ago, so I'm ready to jump in the calibration game!)
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It's sad that the HD350 doesn't have a CMS. Stupid to leave out such an important feature. Then again, hopefully at least one of the color profiles provided will be correct this time around and we won't have to deal with the neon greens.

I'm betting the Sony has better color out of the box.

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I think that JVC kinda listens. I will say that they don't listen much to the people that have already purchased their machines. Trying to get RS232 codes and the like (which should have been there in the first place) from JVC is difficult indeed. You talk to their US people and they tell you that nothing can be done because it is controlled by the Japanese group.

Love the products, but the post release support sucks. IMHO

RS-232 codes are in the Owner's Manual for the RS-1 & RS-2 (and the Owner's Manual is available on the web site). Is that too difficult for you?

If you were talking about Sanyo it would be a different story.
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My JVC distributor says he has been told by US JVC that the 350 will be positioned below the RS1 in price and that the 750 will be positioned below the RS2 in price with both the RS1 and RS2 remaining in the line up. He said it wasn't clear if the distributor would be distributing these cheaper models because they would compete with other projector brands they carried to cover these new price points. How are these new models lesser in features and performance than the old other than perhaps a lesser processing chip. This is getting a little confusing to understand.

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Wow. Very weird. I can't understand that reasoning either.

Note that what your distributor told you is in direct contradiction to what the JVC rep told the british AVforum in their video "scoop" on these projectors. It's a video of a special demonstration of the projectors and the JVC rep very specifically, more than once, says that while all 4 models will be available, the new models are both marketed as "above" the older models. He says the HD350 is positioned as an upgrade "above" the HD1 and the HD750 "above" the HD100.
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Smells like an inventory issue to me. Out with the old . . . in with the new.

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RS-232 codes are in the Owner's Manual for the RS-1 & RS-2 (and the Owner's Manual is available on the web site). Is that too difficult for you?

If you were talking about Sanyo it would be a different story.

Sheesh,

I guess I will expound a bit then.

There is a half-baked implementation of the RS232 codes for the RS2 in the manual. It was just a cut and paste of the RS1 codes. No new RS232 codes for all of the new RS2 features.

The manual was released prior to the projector release.

When I saw that those codes were missing from the manual (zoom, focus, v-stretch), the local distributor and I had a conference call with the JVC Chief D-ILA engineer for the US. He said that the codes for the new stuff should definitely be in the actual projector's release. He said he would get with the engineers in Japan and find out what the codes were and send them to us.

So after a week or two and a follow-up call, he mentioned that the team in Japan hadn't given him any more information, but he was still working on it. He also thought that the manual might need updating.

So the projector was released and the Manual didn't change and there wasn't any more information on the missing codes. So another call to the Engineer.

He basically said that Japan had told him what they delivered is all there would be. He speculated that the codes were problably in the firmware, but couldn't get any of the engineers in Japan to give them over. He said that was all he could do.

So there were complaints and Tom Stites said he would give it a try. We submitted the stuff that was needed to him, but it died there also.

The RS232 wasn't the only stuff. That was just one example.

Does that clarify things jmonier?

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Maybe the Japanese engineers are oldsters like me and are punishing us for winning the war (WWII). Just a joke.

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RS10, RS1X, RS20, RS2X...that will be the order (price wise and theoretical performance). I really am supposed to stay quiet though.
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Note that what your distributor told you is in direct contradiction to what the JVC rep told the british AVforum in their video "scoop" on these projectors. It's a video of a special demonstration of the projectors and the JVC rep very specifically, more than once, says that while all 4 models will be available, the new models are both marketed as "above" the older models. He says the HD350 is positioned as an upgrade "above" the HD1 and the HD750 "above" the HD100.

There could be a communication issue. One possibility: the 750 is placed below the *current* RS2 price. Presumably the RS2 price will drop (always a good thing!).

The only way I could see the 750 being priced below the RS2 when both are available is if the 750 has some deficit in PQ, features, or light output that isn't currently clear.

I tend to believe the actual JVC rep in the video over second hand information through a dealer.

(I got cross posted by Jason: I guess the second hand info must be right).

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RS10, RS1X, RS20, RS2X...that will be the order (price wise and theoretical performance). I really am supposed to stay quiet though.

I'm not familiar with any of those numbers so I'm still baffled. (Sorry...I'm not sure what the "0" and "X" denote...I just know the RS1/HD1 RS2/HD2, so I'm still not sure which of the above numbers represent the newly announced models vs the old models).
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I'm now officially confused...

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RS10, RS1X, RS20, RS2X...that will be the order (price wise and theoretical performance). I really am supposed to stay quiet though.

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The DLA-HD350 is slated as being available in October, with the DLA-HD750 following on in November but at this moment there are no prices yet known. However, as the HD350 will sit between the HD1 and HD100 that should give you a good idea of where it's likely price will be. As for the DLA-HD750, it's going to be above the HD100, we just don't know how high yet.

So, three possibilities:

1) the professional line is going to be ordered differently than the consumer line (which makes no sense if they are the same models...)

2) Europe gets a different order than US (maybe the Europeans value features differently). Nah.

3) Somebody has been misinformed... Either Jason and the previous poster, or the JVC rep in the video, or (I suppose) I (and the av forum interviewer) misheard/misinterpreted the JVC guy in the video

Hmmmm.... I hate NDA's, especially leaky ones where incomplete and confusing information leaks out. It is kind of fun to speculate, though.

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Just checked the youtube video again and transcribed the interesting parts. Steve Carter, Product Specialist JVC UK, when asked about pricing of the DLA-HD350 and DLA-HD750:
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The best way to describe it as I mentioned it before, the HD1 entry and then the HD350 will sit above that. HD100 will sit above the HD350 and 750 will be our top of the range model.

In terms of pricing nothing has been fixed yet.

On possible way in which everybody could be right: Jason is talking RSXX and Steve Carter is talking DLA-HDXXX. Maybe the 750 will be sold as the 'new' RS2, and the current RS2 will be renamed the RS20. The 350 will be sold as the RS1X and the current RS1X shifted down to the RS10.

That would be very weird, however; and, no, I don't really believe that is the answer.

Enjoying all the confusion, Jason??? My goal now is to make you as frustrated as possible that you can't clear up the confusion, even though I know it won't make you spill the beans...

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I didn't get info from a dealer. I am a dealer. I got my info from my distributor who is really really big selling lots of JVCs to dealers. The distributor gets his info from the US JVC sales folk. But you think they really knew anything 3 weeks ago. Not a chance. Have they seen the new stuff yet? The only folks who know anything are the Japanese JVC folks and they fly over shortly before Cedia with new product under their arms. That's the way it happened with the RS1. Course, I could be wrong about all this.

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Some more info here... clicky


from the article...
"From the sounds of it, the rest of the world, including the United States, are going to have these new models too, but no word on when. Pricing isn't set in stone yet but expect the HD750 to retail around 8000 ($11,785) and the HD350 around 6000 ($8,838 US)"


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Some more info here... clicky


from the article...
"From the sounds of it, the rest of the world, including the United States, are going to have these new models too, but no word on when. Pricing isn’t set in stone yet but expect the HD750 to retail around €8000 ($11,785) and the HD350 around €6000 ($8,838 US)"

I can only hope those prices don't hold up. That would make put the HD350 above the current RS2 price in the US. Since no one has suggested the 350 will be above the RS2, that gives me hope the US prices will be less.

I was hoping for the 750 in the $6-7k range (based on the 'less then RS2' comments), but now I'm definitely starting to wonder.

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can someone tell me what the difference between the rs2 and the rs2x? I never heard of the rs2x until today. I heard of the rs1x but never the 2x. Why was it kept a secret. Had I know this I would of bought the rs2x. This pisses me off. I think it was done like the other guy said to sell off the rs2 inventory. Like I said pissed me the #@$% off.
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The RS2X has a discreet VStretch selection functionality. That is the only difference from what I have heard.

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For me now there is total confusion, between Jasons lineup and the related web info. The dust is way up in the air right now.

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but expect the HD750 to retail around €8000 ($11,785) and the HD350 around €6000 ($8,838 US)"


>Choke<</b>

Jeebus, these fluxuating rumors about prices are brutal.
When do we actually find out?
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Yhose Euro prices are conyrary to previodlyposted Euro prices.In any event, what ever the correct Euro prices one needs to deduct about 15% to factor out VAT.

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What's with the side panel input's? Definitely a step down from the previous gen's aesthetics.
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What's with the side panel input's? Definitely a step down from the previous gen's aesthetics.

It is probaby to make it more "shelf friendly," which will be a welcome addition for some. My guess is they want to take away as many of those Sony advantages as they can. From a marketing perspective, does this mean that there are more shelf mounters than ceiling mounters out there?
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