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post #91 of 107 Old 09-06-2008, 02:30 PM
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Sorry - I didn't pay attention to anything other than the 7500.

Apparently the 6500 is not yet released.
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From the spec sheets it looks like the Epson is brighter but the Mitsu has better dynamic contrast.

I am going to wait for some reviews to decide between Epson or Mitsu or Panny.


In the previous generation, mitsubishi pj's were sharper than epson's. Is the hc7000 gonna have the same sharpness as hc6000/5000/4900/5500 ? May be the new epsons will be sharper than 1080ub was?
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Sharper than the 1080UB? That has to be an awefully sharp projector. My 1080UB is very sharp IMO.

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We were only allowed a 15 minute presentation. So a long exam wasn't available. But the scenes they showed of a Harry Potter movie was unreal. I'd say this is an excellent upgrade from the 1080 UB. I'd not have one problem buying this projector now at $5k. And I'm not flush with extra cash floating around. The black performance was to die for. It blew away any of the DLP projectors that I viewed.

Can you tell us what screen your demo was being projected on ??

Thx !!
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The new projectors are announced on Epson's Japanese website, which makes things even more confusing, as they use yet a different set of model numbers.

EH-TW3000:
1,800 Lumens
D7 Panels (organic?)
22db
2.1 zoom + h/v lens shift
18,000 contrast
High dust avoidance (rough translation)

EH-TW4000:
Using DEEP BLACK Technology
Best in class 75,000:1 contrast
FineFrame technology (That's what it's called on the US page)
新(new)D7 C²FINE Panels (D7' C²FINE Panels? It does do 120 Hz/fps)
Has Silicon Optix's HQV-ReonVX
Using new Espon Cinema Filter
1,600 Lumens

Those are the translations of the six main points on each page, with the lumens also added for the TW4000.

It looks like the TW3000 is the same specs as the PowerLite Pro Cinema 7100, and the TW4000 is the same as the PowerLite Pro Cinema 7500UB. (The 3000/6100/7100 use organic 1080p panels?)

Now for someone of the possibly interesting stuff:

- All the new projectors on Epson's page are "open price", with no Japanese MSRP.
- The TW3000 is listed as going on sale in the end (2nd half) of October, and Epson's own web store lists it at ¥249,800 ($2313 @ 108)
- The TW4000 is listed as going on sale in the end (2nd half) of November, and Epson's own web store lists it at ¥369,800 ($3424 @ 108)
- The other new product they announced today is the EH-DM2S, which is a 480p projector + 80" screen supposedly out now, but not yet on sale at any of the major chains in Japan.

So, unless I'm missing something, there are basically two Epson 1080p projectors coming out, but depending on where you live, you'll see two or more of the following: 3000/3800/4000/5000/6100/6500/7100/7500

KISS...

If anyone else reads some Japanese, please go ahead and give those pages a look and see if there's anything I missed.

If anyone has any other questions about this, feel free to ask.

As for me, I'm still trying to confirm whether or not the Epson has a game mode or not. Can anyone confirm if there's a mode to easily set the projector to a mode that gives the minimum frame delay possible? (AE3000, and I believe AE2000, and some other projectors do have this.)

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From the price, it sounds like the 4000 is the 6500UB,

So

3000 = HC6100
3800 = PC7100
4000 = HC6500UB
5000 = PC7500UB

DM2S = MovieMate55 ( of which Epson is keeping the resolution a secret )

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Maybe the TW 4000 is the "home" version rather than the "pro"?

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Maybe the TW 4000 is the "home" version rather than the "pro"?

If you can confirm what technical differences are confirmed for the 6500 and 7500, if any, I can try to confirm whether the TW 4000 has those missing features or not. (Seems to be pretty tough to confirm what differences will exist between the 6500 and 7500, but with the European and Japan announcements only having one top model each, I don't expect any differences to be too major...although I could be wrong. I don't count mounts or extra bulbs as differences, I count them as packaged accessories.)

Also, I could really use some help from you guys. With my future upgrade (likely the Epson TW-4000 or Panasonic AE3000) being much brighter than my Z3 and my interest in 2.35:1 being piqued by the Panny, I'm contemplating changing my screen, and I'd like some opinions. Basically, I want the height of an 80" screen and the width of a 100" screen. The whole idea is detailed here, and my wife is pretty much okay with it, but she wants me to get some feedback from people who'd know (you guys) first.
(http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post14653973)

If nothing else, a "Sounds like a good idea to me." post would help me get the new screen, which would let me sell the current screen once I know everything good, which would give me some projector oriented transactions to make between now and my big purchase.

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Dutch hands-on preview of tw5000

http://translate.google.com/translat...-8&sl=nl&tl=en
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Dutch hands-on preview of tw5000

http://translate.google.com/translat...-8&sl=nl&tl=en

Thanks for posting.


Looks like they got 5,075:1 native, and 21,932:1 Dynamic on there pre-production unit.

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The black level is head and shoulders the darkest so far that I've seen from Epson, in terms of black experience, I would him between the HD1 and JVC associates like places. The HD100 is slightly lower in terms of black level but that is for me still the absolute reference so with the HD100 is not really fair, on the other hand, the fact that the name HD100 is used in a review of the new TW5000 is a indication how well the image of the TW5000 is

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Actually I saw the TW5000 today and also talked to Epson representative. He said to me (of course they are trying to push their own products. I know) that none of the competitors (Sanyo, Panasonic and Mitsubishi) are using the "new" Epson panel. Okay, I know that these are called all D7 panels but if you believe the representative only Epson's version is really all new. Meaning not only the 120hz and other panel electronics driving it are new but the LCD-panel itself. It is just still called D7 not D8.

Whereas for example Panasonic AE-3000 uses D7 with 120hz and Panasonics own electronics (don't know the exact wording of this) but still the same LCD-panel as it was in TW2000 (therefore also the same kind of native contrast = TW2000 vs. AE-3000).

This means much better native contrast for TW5000. The Epson person told me that the pre-production model (which was showing the movie in the demonstration room) should be around 5000:1 and the final product closer to 7500:1 native. Panasonic's new AE-3000 on the other hand is capable of 3000-4000:1 native. So this different version of panel might be actually true = reviewers also measured same kind of figures.

Picture looked excellent without the iris, but I have not seen many projectors and the environment was not perfect for critical viewing. So comparision was not possible. Screen was some ultra expensive 92" grey and with high gain.

Nevertheless I am eagerly waiting the production model. It should come to Europe in 4 weeks with a price tag of 2990 (3800 usd). Keep in mind that European prices are always way more than in the US.
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Has anyone that went to CEDIA seen this projector & then seen the JVC RS 20 right after? If so can you please comment on black level between the 2?

Also please comment on "punch" or "pop" as well as brightness between these 2.

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There were a few comments in the official CEDIA thread. Most people agreed that the Epson was VERY close to the JVC in terms of black level and punch, and that you would be hard pressed to spend double for the RS20. However, they were shown in different rooms with different screens so the comparison by not be all that accurate.
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These things should be on shelves at retail in here in Japan in two weeks or so...I still haven't seen any English language reviews/previews for it. Is there any new information since the preview that jienn mentioned back on the 1st?

(FWIW, I'm specifically interested in the image lag and if the Reon VX chip can be circumvented.)

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Alright, here's the Scoop, There are two similar projectors coming out, the Powerlite Home Cinema 6500 UB which is white, carries a 2 yr warr. List is $2999. And the Pro model Powerlite Pro Cinema 7500 UB ($4199) which is black, comes with a mount, extra lamp, 3 yr warr. and a cable cover for cleaner installed look. Also the 7500 offers anamorphic scaling to allow 2:35/2:40.
New color isolation for more accurate color adjustments
New Preset color space selection to allow original color reproduction
ISF Certified
They are supposed to start shipping Dec 15th
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Alright, here's the Scoop, There are two similar projectors coming out, the Powerlite Home Cinema 6500 UB which is white, carries a 2 yr warr. List is $2999. And the Pro model Powerlite Pro Cinema 7500 UB ($4199) which is black, comes with a mount, extra lamp, 3 yr warr. and a cable cover for cleaner installed look. Also the 7500 offers anamorphic scaling to allow 2:35/2:40.
New color isolation for more accurate color adjustments
New Preset color space selection to allow original color reproduction
ISF Certified
They are supposed to start shipping Dec 15th


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1067750
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1088959
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