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post #91 of 845 Old 09-02-2008, 09:39 AM
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Yes, Jason, this sounds like an extremely nice product for this price. The brightness and CR seem to be comparable to those of the RS1 (although its CR is with the enhancement from a DI). Makes ones mouth water to see what the VW70 will do!
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I'm curious to hear how it compares PQ wise to the RS1X. Is the native CR of the RS1 visibly better than the HW10 due to use of a variable iris? Sounds like the colors and sharpness are better though it may not be as bright as the JVC. Lens control seems to be equal. It's cheaper than a used RS1.
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Contrast/Black Levels: As mentioned, the unit is rated at 15000:1 on/off contrast like the VW40 (with iris).

I'm slightly confused. This page claims 30000:1 contrast:

http://presscentre.sony.eu/Content/D...4&NewsAreaID=2
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Is the warranty 1 year like the vw10, or 2 years? thx.

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jason, can you compare the overall picture to the VW60? also, can you compare the convergence adjustment feature to the one available on the VW60? oh heck, can you just give the advantages and disadvantages of this unit vs. the VW60? thanks.
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He's got the calibrated lumens @ 616, and says it's an improvement, but I can't find Jason's original review of the VW40. Does anyone remember what it's lumens were after calibration?

And to echo others, the VW70 should be awesome!
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What about anamorphic lens support? Does it have both modes to allow permanent mounting of the lens (i.e., no sled)?
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He's got the calibrated lumens @ 616, and says it's an improvement, but I can't find Jason's original review of the VW40. Does anyone remember what it's lumens were after calibration?

And to echo others, the VW70 should be awesome!

Jason's VW40 review doesn't seem to be here any more (or at least it has moved). As I racall from serveral reviews I've read for the VW40, its 6500K calibrated light output has ranged between 350 and 500 lumens while reviews I've seen for the VW60 have measured a little higher between 450 and 600 lumens. Of course, with a few hundred hours of use the light output may drop around 20% so it is useful to know for each unit reviewed (even by the same reviewer) if it was with a new bulb or one that had some time on it. I believe virtually all of Jason's reviews are for brand new units.

It will be interesting to see a direct comparison between the new Sony and the new LCD models from Epson, Mits and Panasonic as these should all be within the same price range.

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VW40 review link:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=990081

Is the last one on the thread.

Jason, I buy a VW40 in May, you recomend to chance this with the HW10?

Bye and thanks for the review.

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unfortunately the VW70 looks to be out of my price range, so it is going to come down to the HW10 and the VW60. looking forward to anything jason can add regarding these two units head to head.
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He's got the calibrated lumens @ 616, and says it's an improvement, but I can't find Jason's original review of the VW40. Does anyone remember what it's lumens were after calibration?

And to echo others, the VW70 should be awesome!

Go to the top of the page and click on popular links. It's about 4 down with the Marantz.
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Thanks for posting that for me. I totally missed that link. I should be working but now I'm reading through the review
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I didn't understand Jason's comment on the "10 point per pixel" adjust?

Does that mean there are 10 zones, and within each you can adjust each color by one pixel, or that each pixel can be adjusted in .10 increments?
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From the press release it seems it is each color with .10 pixel increments.

He does mention new panels. Some said the panels were the same as in the VW40... Which is it? Fehr shure, please!

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30,000 : 1 is supposed to be the ON/OFF contrast. Doesn't the room affect this measurement?
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30,000 : 1 is supposed to be the ON/OFF contrast. Doesn't the room affect this measurement?

No.
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I didn't understand Jason's comment on the "10 point per pixel" adjust?

Does that mean there are 10 zones, and within each you can adjust each color by one pixel, or that each pixel can be adjusted in .10 increments?

Full panel adjust. You can shift the full panel in increments of a 10th of a pixel. That's pretty fine adjustment
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Sony say that the HW-10 has 15:000:1 contrast ratio.
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Sony say that the HW-10 has 15:000:1 contrast ratio.

No, Sony says that the HW-10 has 30000:1 contrast ratio:

http://presscentre.sony.eu/Content/D...4&NewsAreaID=2

Evidently sometimes Sony says 15000:1 and sometimes 30000:1. Maybe they say different things depending on whether it's Sony USA or Sony Europe? Or maybe they're sometimes talking about static and sometimes about dynamic contrast? I've no idea...
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No, Sony says that the HW-10 has 30000:1 contrast ratio:

http://presscentre.sony.eu/Content/D...4&NewsAreaID=2

Evidently sometimes Sony says 15000:1 and sometimes 30000:1. Maybe they say different things depending on whether it's Sony USA or Sony Europe? Or maybe they're sometimes talking about static and sometimes about dynamic contrast? I've no idea...

The attachment picture are from the official press release that EISA members had from 13 May 2008.

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The attachment picture are from the official press release that EISA members had from 13 May 2008.

May 13 was over 3 months ago. All the recent announcements from Sony have it at 30,000 like this recent one from Sony HK. Maybe Sony decided to use the newer digital panel in the VPL-HW10 hence the reason we are not seeing the rumored <2.5K price for it.

"The VPL-HW10 offers extremely high contrast ratios of up to 30,000:1 that is made possibleby the Sony Advanced Iris 2 technology. The Advanced Iris 2 technology works by responding automatically to the level of lighting in each scene and adjusting the aperture to achieve the best results. In dark scenes, this brings out details usually lost in the shadows, while brightly lit sequences retain their definition and do not wash out. The super-efficient
200W UHP (Ultra-High Pressure) lamp is another key feature of the projector, which delivers brightness rated at an 1000 lumens."
http://www.sony.com.hk/press/pdf/20080807_01e.pdf
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The attachment picture are from the official press release that EISA members had from 13 May 2008.

And the press release I linked to is an official Sony press release from 28. August 2008.
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Even if the HW10 is rated at 30,000:1 it still doesn't change that Jason got around 16,000:1 out of it so what does it matter?
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Ok then i you say so.
In the HW-10 that i have for review measure 11.150:1 contrast ratio with lamp in high mode and iris Auto 1 and zoom Wide in my 84 inch screen.
The HW-10 has perfect converge and colors but the menu was not at default settings.
It was pre production model.

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Hi,
I have decided on this hw10 unit, thought it is future proof with all the latest technology, which could atleast go for another year or two.

HDMI 1.3, deep colour, x v colour
sharpness, contrast, advanced panel, quiet operation,color accuracy. good black details , sxrd technology is dust proof, sealed light path.

From, where should i get this unit? and when is the right time to buy, after christmas?(to get cheaper street price??)

thanks
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If you had to choose between the HW-10 or a VW-60 and all you cared about was which one had the best picture on a 110" screen in a dedicated room with light control, which one would it be? Or is it too close to call... what advantages/disadvantages do they have when compared to one another?

Do They have the same mount pattern at the bottom of the case?
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From, where should i get this unit?

Get one from Jason here at AVS of course. First rate service.
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Get one from Jason here at AVS of course. First rate service.

Thanks. I see vw40 for around $2600 and no tax, no shipping fee from a very reputed online store. so i thought this one also will go in for street price soon.

I also consider getting this from Jason. I hope he gives reasonable price.
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This is either a great projector or you take it way too seriously.


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