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What is a good scaler to pair this projector with in order to get 2.35:1?

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What is a good scaler to pair this projector with in order to get 2.35:1?

How about the new DVDO Edge with a $799 MSRP.

Josh at DVDO says it can do a 33% stretch with the zoom feature for use with an anamorphic lens.
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I can't because only the HW10 was set up at CEDIA and so any direct comparison would be at best lightly informed.

Without drawing on actual picture-quality comparisons, I'd say one thing almost immediately, though. Are you an upgrader? If so, get the HW10. There is room for improvement that will likely be achieved over the next year or two. If you are looking to set-and-forget for a while, the extra investment might be justified now, however.

I do think having the inexpensive and more expensive Sony along with both JVCs in a 4-way shootout would be fascinating for the nitpickers.

i'm a reluctant upgrader. when i buy something i'm usually looking to get more than a couple of years utility out of it. i have no problem buying the VW60, but if the HW10 surpasses it in some ways it would be nice to save some money for once.
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I think this is going to be my next Projector. I have the 2.35 pamamorph UH440 lens setup in use with my panny 900u and this pj looks like the best bang for the buck. I like the convergence option on each color. I just hope that panny and others force the price of this bad boy down into the $2500 range for christmas.

With this mortgage crisis looking worse than ever it is possible there could be some REALLY good christmas deals.
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VPL-HW10 is In Stock on SonyStyle page and ready to ship. The VW70 is Coming Soon.
BTW the HW10 is rated 30000:1.

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...52921644515290

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What is the NATIVE CR on the w10? We keep dancing around it but does anyone know? Jason says "The rep told me 15:000 to 1" above, but i don't think he's refering to native contrast.
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Hi!

I have been following this thread for some time now and Jasons test was very interesting and informative. However there are some guestions I would like to have answer.

1. Was the tested contrast ~17000:1 with dynamic iris or not?
2. Is there some where more of the tests done by Jason Turk, so I can cross compare results between vw60 and hw10(also other projectors too)?
3. How noisy is hw10 compared to vw60?
4. How much more light output is there compared to vw60?

Don't get me wrong, I liked vw60 pq, but the light output wasn't impressive when compared to HD80 side by side. This is my main concern at this point. Will it be enought?
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I look at the HW10 as essentially equivalent to the VW60. It has the same chip size and lamp wattage, so I expect the brightness to be similar and will probably vary more with throw distance and iris auto/manual settings. Max brightness probably around 800 lumens calibrated or ~500 in low lamp with the auto iris activated. WSreview had a great write up on the VW60. Following this, native contrast should be ~4000 and on/off ~16,000-19,000 calibrated at D65. So, I don't think Jason's numbers are far off. Hopefully, Cine4home or WSReview will do a review on this shortly to get confirmation.
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Do we know if the HW-10 can use the same mount as the vw-40, 50, 60,...?
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Do we know if the HW-10 can use the same mount as the vw-40, 50, 60,...?

According to the press release, they mention the same mount (PSS-H10)...
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Good news. I figured out my mistake on the contrast...better results. Please reread the review if interested.
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Good news. I figured out my mistake on the contrast...better results. Please reread the review if interested.



nice! almost 25k to 1...mmmmm...me like!
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Good news. I figured out my mistake on the contrast...better results. Please reread the review if interested.

Impressive results indeed, but still I'm a bit confused. Did you measure it with iris on or off? As for light output, did you use high lamp or low lamp mode?

Better yet, why not release all the information of how did you do the measurements. Distance, screen size, test equipment, etc. Also are your measurements comparable to earlier measurements, what you have done?
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How inky are the blacks. I am using a panny900u and I am tired of gray blacks.

Also I am tired of convergence issues with 3 chip units. Is the convergence movement on this unit mechanical or is it done digitally? In other words how good is it corner to corner. Also have a UH440 pamamorph lens and throwing onto a 128 2.35 screen 14 feet throw distance.
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Does anyone have the official Throw ratios for this PJ ??
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Good news. I figured out my mistake on the contrast...better results.

What mistakes?

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Did you measure it with iris on or off? As for light output, did you use high lamp or low lamp mode?

Ditto
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mistake was that more units would sell at 25000:1 contrast then 17000:1 contrast. Wait for that German site to get a unit they always post contrast numbers.
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Good news. I figured out my mistake on the contrast...better results. Please reread the review if interested.

Thanks for the redo. At 25,000:1 if Sony continued with their historical SXRD lens iris multiplier we would expect ~5,000:1 iris open and ~8,000:1 iris closed/panel contrast. Are those numbers close to what you measured.
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@Jason, do you think the HW10 would work well with an ISCO II? CIH scaling would be done by my HTPC. Thanks!
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How long until we start to see "shoot outs" done with the HW10 against other PJs?

I'd love to see this compared to the new Panny and Epsons..
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Thanks for the redo. At 25,000:1 if Sony continued with their historical SXRD lens iris multiplier we would expect ~5,000:1 iris open and ~8,000:1 iris closed/panel contrast. Are those numbers close to what you measured.

do these measured CR numbers really mean anything, except as a mean to compare this with other Sony SXRD PJs, let alone the JVCs or DLPs and LCDs.
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do these measured CR numbers really mean anything, except as a mean to compare this with other Sony SXRD PJs, let alone the JVCs or DLPs and LCDs.

I am not clear what you are asking. Are you asking what does on/off CR tell us about picture quality?
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How long until we start to see "shoot outs" done with the HW10 against other PJs?

I'd love to see this compared to the new Panny and Epsons..

ditto. i'd love to see it against the VW60, and the new JVC 350/RS10.
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I'm also looking at picking up this projector, so hopefully there will be a powerbuy.

Now to determine the cost of the lamp.
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I guess the "mistake" was 17,000:1 contrast was calibrated, and 25,000:1 was uncalibrated (factory setting) :=)
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Impressive results indeed, but still I'm a bit confused. Did you measure it with iris on or off? As for light output, did you use high lamp or low lamp mode?

Better yet, why not release all the information of how did you do the measurements. Distance, screen size, test equipment, etc. Also are your measurements comparable to earlier measurements, what you have done?

cmon man... 25,000:1 with autoiris off? ... i dont think so!
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Same exact convergence ability as the VW60. Near as I can tell, the VW60 has better contrast and motorized lens. But the HW10 is sharper, better light output (VW40 was in the 500 range and VW60 was in the upper 500), and NR.

I was curious about this statement now that the "numbers" have been corrected.

Were you stating this from your personal IQ standpoint or purely based on specification?

I'm inquiring because I'm trying to nail down which model to get next month. My throw will be around 12.5' to a 100" wide Wilsonart DW scope screen from a ceiling mount @ only 7'. I only plan on zooming to get the scope aspect.

Can anyone chime in as to why I wouldn't want to go with the VW60 over the HW10? Could I potentially zoom faster with a manual zoom? Are the motors prone to failure or noise?
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This looks like the projector for me...

How do you feel it will do with a 120" screen at about 14' either a 1.2 or 2.4 gamma white screen?

THanks
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Why do 25000:1 and 17000:1 still not equal 30000:1 advertised.
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Why do 25000:1 and 17000:1 still not equal 30000:1 advertised.

Are you being serious? or have you been not keeping up to date with any video tech for the last 5 years?

When has ANY tech actually met it's advertised spec? Im sure that 10000000:1 Panny plasma actually measures that and maybe exceeds it The only manufacturer that seems to post numbers close to what it can do is JVC (native) everything else is trickery with DI, and they still can't meet there own tricked out specs by cheating.
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