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So, maybe I'm missing it, but where is all of the chit-chat on the new HC7000? I've seen a couple of minor mentions and there is a tiny thread on the IFA lineup, but virtually nothing coming out of CEDIA. Aren't these supposed to begin shipping next month? I read somewhere that Mitu's CEDIA demo was not very good, but sure someone has seen it outside of that environment.
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Video - CEDIA '08 Mitsubishi HC-7000U

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I have seen this unit at IFA in Berlin and was really disappointed.
Colors wrong, the black level and the differences in level wre not real it looks like unrealistic pictures or an srrealistic movie... really ugly.

The showed TRANSFORMERS and SAHARA. , really terrible; maybe there was something wrong with the player; I hope so, because I was expecting as in the past a better unit than it was shown

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wow thats quite a letdown review hhelmut
does anyone have more input on that?
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http://www.yodobashi.com/enjoy/more/.../92931301.html

It looks like the Mitsubishi HC7000 will be just over of $3300 (at current exchange rates) in Japan (street, there is no MSRP for this model in Japan), and will hit major brick and mortar retailers in Japan on 9/25/08.

(I'm assuming that street price in Japan has virtually no impact on AVS's business, so I hope that's okay to post.)

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http://www.yodobashi.com/enjoy/more/.../92931301.html

It looks like the Mitsubishi HC7000 will be just over of $3300 (at current exchange rates) in Japan (street, there is no MSRP for this model in Japan), and will hit major brick and mortar retailers in Japan on 9/25/08.

(I'm assuming that street price in Japan has virtually no impact on AVS's business, so I hope that's okay to post.)

Yodobashi's PJ prices tend to be on the higher end of the scale, so I'd imagine that it will be available for even less once it has been on the market for a little while.
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Anybody seen one of these yet?

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Anybody seen one of these yet?

The new Mitsubishis (production units) was supposed to show up at the stores yesterday here in Sweden, but that did not happen as far as I know.

But I will post my impressions as fast as I can. My local store has the opportunity to compare projectors side by side, all D65 calibrated in a light controlled environment. So I will hopefylly be able to see how those stick up against AE2000, InfocusX10, BenQ W5000, Epson TW2000 and Samsung SP-A800B and so on.

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72,000: 1 Contrast ratio?

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New Zealand release of the HC7000 on the 25th Sept
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I have seen this unit at IFA in Berlin and was really disappointed.
Colors wrong, the black level and the differences in level wre not real it looks like unrealistic pictures or an srrealistic movie... really ugly.

The showed TRANSFORMERS and SAHARA. , really terrible; maybe there was something wrong with the player; I hope so, because I was expecting as in the past a better unit than it was shown

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I didn`t see SAHARA at the Mitsubishi Booth at the IFA. Are you shure, you ´ve seen at IFA?
DREAMGIRLS I´ve seen, skins are very realistic, no wrong colors, black was black without missing something
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Video - CEDIA '08 Mitsubishi HC-7000U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8rn3MRkc-Q

The video states that only custom installers will get this unit, and that no internet sales are allowed! How will that work?

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I have now had the opportunity to look at production units of the HC7000 and the HC5500, and compare them side by side against StudioTek 130 in a pretty dark light controlled room.

Watched some 1080p material and I could compare the HC7000 against a D65 calibrated Samsung SP-A800B. The model from Mitsubishi just got out of the box and was not perfectly calibrated, just by the eye as instrument.

My impressions was that the new models has improved in every aspect, and especially the colours as they seemed to be better than the previous models. Both was incredible sharp, almost unreal (maybe artificial but still).

HC7000 has really, really good black levels. The HC5500 (which is supposed to be at least as good as last years HC6000 in that regard and to me last year was very good in that department) seemed not so good anymore…The difference in black levels was BIG. But on the other hand, that was the only big difference I could see yesterday. In brighter scenes the picture of both seemed pretty equal to me.

When I compared the SP-A800B to the HC7000 it was obvious that the Samsung had much more accurate colours, something that may or may not be better when HC7000 is seriously calibrated. But I did find the picture put up by HC7000 satisfying, it was absolutely sharper then SP-A800B. However if I had to choose I would prefer the SP-A800B, in that particular shoot-out.

The design is very classy on the HC7000, the HC5500 has the same chassie that HC6000 had last year. The fan is supposed to be a few dB lower this year, I could not here it as some Epson on the shelf above where much louder…

All in all, is seems like the development has done good picture a lot more affordable this year. How the HC7000 is going to compare against the new competition of TW5000/TW5800 and AE3000 is still the question most will ask, my guess is that you can take your impression of last years models, TW2000, AE2000 and HC6000 and apply them to this years top LCD-projectors, but with the change that everything is a bit better, the black levels 2 bits.

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tw2000 had better contrast and blacks than hc6000, but I doubt 6500ub has better blacks than hc7000, at least not according to specs
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I have been waiting for the hc7000 to be released in Canada but it wont be hear till Nov..almost bought a hc6000,and have been looking at an infocus 83..it is more money but I am told it will give a better overall picture..any one care to comment?
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is the hc7000 120hz like the Epson and Panasonic?
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The dynamic contrast ratio specs are close to meaningless, especially on 3LCD projectors. The best they tell you is within a year, which model within a manufacturer's range is going to have relatively higher contrast. Comparing them across manufacturers, based on quoted specs is not going to tell which one has better blacks.
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Best buy is now carrying the HC6500. They have it on sale this week for $1000 off msrp.
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I just Googled this and it looks like a few stores are getting the HC7000 in stock.

http://www.topchoicedigital.com/view...5402&l=Froogle

I am going to wait for 7500UB and AE-3000 comparison to make my purchase, however if you just have to be first to get one of the new LCDs then this Mitsu is available now.

Also it has been strange there is almost no buzz about this PJ, is that just because of lower max lumens?
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It's probably cause its mitsubishi. HC6000 also was a lot less mentioned than epson, panasonic and sony pj's.
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I'm almost about ready to order this but, my question is, how is it that only one store on the web has it for sale? Makes me think that they might not actually have it in physical stock.
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I viewed the HC7000 last night. I am an HC6000 owner.
The projector is whisper quiet - more so than the 6000. I was sitting right next to the projector and never heard it during operation.
The body case is bigger than the 6000 - longer rather than wider - and also a bit heavier.
The image quality was great.
There is a greater range in contrast, sharpness and colour.
Immediately to my eyes, the sharpness stood out in the 7000. Lines resolve more clearly in film, as well as minute details and film grain.
Blacks definitely appear more inky.
Daylight scenes had an almost unnatural darkness to their shadows - someone described it as wearing sunglasses - is this a result of the new filters in the light path?? Although shadow detail wasn't sacrificed due to this.
Colours stood out more but weren't unnatural. There was a larger range of colour than I've seen on the 6000.
As a result of the increased contrast and sharpness, the image appears very three-dimensional (more so than the 6000 again).
The dynamic iris still can't handle fast changes in light (lightning/strobes) and still exhibits banding like their previous models.
The HC7000 was uncalibrated and set to Cinema, Warm, Auto Iris 2, Sharpness 4.
Overall the HC7000 is definitely another well-placed step by Mitsubishi.
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The dynamic contrast ratio specs are close to meaningless, especially on 3LCD projectors. The best they tell you is within a year, which model within a manufacturer's range is going to have relatively higher contrast. Comparing them across manufacturers, based on quoted specs is not going to tell which one has better blacks.


Calibrated, 30,000:1 dynamic contrast with 400lumens(eco) and 500lumens (hi) are realistic with the HC7000.

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Calibrated, 30,000:1 dynamic contrast with 400lumens(eco) and 500lumens (hi) are realistic with the HC7000.

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Much better than the Epson TW 5000 has 7000:1! The mits HC 7000 has 30.000:1!

Both the seem brigthness.The Mitsubishi is less noiser

If all this is correct than the Mits must be the better projector?

You must see/hear the difference? Or not?

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Much better than the Epson TW 5000 has 7000:1! The mits HC 7000 has 30.000:1!

Both the seem brigthness.The Mitsubishi is less noiser

If all this is correct than the Mits must be the better projector?

You must see/hear the difference? Or not?

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I could be wrong, but I think you are confusing the TW5000's static CR, which I also don't believe was anywhere near 7000:1, with the HC7000's dynamic CR. These are two very different measurments.
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Has anyone seen both the 6500ub and hc7000?
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Has anyone seen both the 6500ub and hc7000?

Sure, they were both on display on IFA in september.

The HC6500 is technically only a HC6000 in a different cabinet (which matters a lot since now the dust blob problems have been reduced to practically nil).

The HC7000 is a big step forward, newly designed ('Diamond') Iris with better contrast. Both new machines are even more quiet than the HC6000 was.

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Sure, they were both on display on IFA in september.

The HC6500 is technically only a HC6000 in a different cabinet (which matters a lot since now the dust blob problems have been reduced to practically nil).

The HC7000 is a big step forward, newly designed ('Diamond') Iris with better contrast. Both new machines are even more quiet than the HC6000 was.

I can tell you that the HC6500 Mits. is dead quiet. Amazing. I had to put my ear to it to make sure a fan was really running in there! Sweet. Nice pic too by the way. Just not worth $1600 more then what I spent for my VP4001.

Of course the Marantz is just a "Wee" tad louder!

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I can tell you that the HC6500 Mits. is dead quiet. Amazing. I had to put my ear to it to make sure a fan was really running in there! Sweet. Nice pic too by the way. Just not worth $1600 more then what I spent for my VP4001.

Of course the Marantz is just a "Wee" tad louder!

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You have to be careful that you have turned the 7000 off correctly as its so quiet its easy to leave running overnight without knowing !
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Sure, they were both on display on IFA in september.

The HC6500 is technically only a HC6000 in a different cabinet (which matters a lot since now the dust blob problems have been reduced to practically nil).

The HC7000 is a big step forward, newly designed ('Diamond') Iris with better contrast. Both new machines are even more quiet than the HC6000 was.

You misread my post. I was asking about 6500ub (epson) vs hc7000.
Has anyone seen those two?
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