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The new (720P) Optoma GT750 is reported to have zero input lag.

Here is a link to the review by Pete Connolly.
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It looks like Pete is using a laptop display for his input lag test, so the projector does not have zero input lag, it has the same amount of input lag as his laptop.

When testing against a laptop with an unknown amount of input lag, a projector can prove that it has a lot of lag (by being significantly worse than the laptop's display), but it cannot prove that it has a small amount of lag.

But yes, I'd assume the Optoma GT750 does indeed have very low lag, it's just not zero.

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Need some info:

I own a JVC RS25 and I use it for 60% movies and 40% gaming. I game on a PS3 and I play Modern Warfare 3 online (which of course needs a lag as low as possible). My receiver is a Onkyo 5008.

How do I know if a have lag with this setup?
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You will have tons of lag on that JVC, that's for sure. Those projectors are known for their great image quality, but they do a ton of processing. It won't be ideal for twitch gaming.

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How do I know if a have lag with this setup?

You can do a test, if you have the equipment.
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Need some info:

I own a JVC RS25 and I use it for 60% movies and 40% gaming. I game on a PS3 and I play Modern Warfare 3 online (which of course needs a lag as low as possible). My receiver is a Onkyo 5008.

How do I know if a have lag with this setup?

I do not think you need to worry to much on projector lag. My projector is used 40% to 50% for gaming and I have a JVC RS1 which is likely worse than the RS25 for lag. We play MW3, Gears of War 3, & Battlefield 3. My son (13) ends up first or second on any of those games online (xbox live). I end up near the bottom most times but I do not think I can blame that on the projector lag.
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Hi guys, does any one know the input lag of the following models, I am currently building a HT and am a national competing Tekken player so the slightest bit of lag hurts.
Mitsu HC9000
Sony HW30 and
Sony VW90
Any other 1080p preojectors that I should consider?

Thanks
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I end up near the bottom most times but I do not think I can blame that on the projector lag.


You are not thinking creatively enough!! Of course your poor skills are due to projector lag!!

Seriously - thanks to those who contributed the ideas about how to test for this. I am going to run the test on my Sony HS20 tonight to see if I can blame my poor FPS performance on lag and to see if I can add some justification to finally upgrade the sucker.

Anyone have any predictions what I'll see on a Sony HS20? I have played FPS's for a couple of years and have always felt a step slower than the competition - but have always just blamed it on my age.


Also - quick question - my laptop has both HDMI and VGA out. Any thoughts on which mode I should test it on? May just try both for shits and giggles.

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In the Epson 5010 thread, there's the first lag test results - not great. Looks to be 60ms at least, not including the lag of the LCD screen used to compare with - I hope others can verify this!

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=1546

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Perhaps the Epson is out for me... anyone got any results on a Sony HW-20? Previous models have done very well.

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Projectorreviews.com posted lag test results of 80-100ms on the Acer H9500BD projector in 2D. The reviewer also says in his companion review that 3D lag was similar. See link for details.
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Projectorreviews.com posted lag test results of 80-100ms on the Acer H9500BD projector in 2D. The reviewer also says in his companion review that 3D lag was similar. See link for details.

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It looks like with all features off it is hovering around a 30ms lag. Here are the results:

I swapped out both HDMI cables with new cables and of the same length (10′). They were the same length in the previous test as well. I think I may have had a bad HDMI cable in the previous test. All of the special features were turned off in my initial test, that is for sure. It is the first thing I checked when I powered on the projector. It looks like with all features off it is hovering around a 30ms lag. Here are the results:
http://www.projectorreviews.com/proj...t-results.html

i think the same guy said

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Ideally, input lag is zero (like we saw in the recently reviewed Optoma GT720)

http://www.projectorreviews.com/game...cond-look.html

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It looks like with all features off it is hovering around a 30ms lag.

That's more like it! So glad this turned out to be a testing error. 30ms is quite good.
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I couldn't find any input lag data on the Benq W6000. I ran my own little test here:

The W6000 is at 4:098, Laptop is at 4:108

But obviously my laptop has more input lag than the W6000 lol. I can say from first hand experience this afternoon gaming with MW3 on the 360 I could detect no noticeable lag which was my major concern.
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I couldn't find any input lag data on the Benq W6000. I ran my own little test here:
The W6000 is at 4:098, Laptop is at 4:108

But obviously my laptop has more input lag than the W6000 lol. I can say from first hand experience this afternoon gaming with MW3 on the 360 I could detect no noticeable lag which was my major concern.

Anyone else get similar results for the BenQ? I am doing my homework prior to getting a PJ, would like a low lag one.
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Doesnt look like the Epson 8700UB or 9700UB has been tested on this thread, from a quick search I did. Could anyone please test it out?

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I just tested my Sanyo Z2000 using the method from http://tft.vanity.dk/

Results is consistently, and exactly, 16ms. That's SIXTEEN MILLISECONDS.

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Sony VPL-HW20 aka VPL-VWPRO1. I know it's not adequately scientific because it's against an LCD, but still...

VGA clone on a Dell Latitude E5500, nVidia 160M.


https://skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx...289&parid=root

Sometimes it ties the LCD, and sometimes it's 16ms late. Assuming the LCD is a poor one at 16ms (unlikely, but possible), then this projector has 16-32ms lag, which is excellent.

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just a quick input, I tested the Sony hw30 and the new Mistubishi Hc7800 the other day using the rock band 2 method in a store and got the following.
the Sony I was getting an average between 16 and 22ms.

with the Mitsu, I had to turn the frame rate conversion off as it was giving 80+ms. With it off however I was very impressed with around 18-24ms on average
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The below list is a summary of all the projectors that have been tested. I’ve compiled as many as I can find here and other places. If I have missed any please add them to list. Make sure however, that you provide a source and not just info someone decided to post.
All of the results are of the lowest possible achieved or the averages. This is usually with most processing function lowered or turned off all together.

Best method for testing lag (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1131464)


Confirmed

Espon 8350 – 18.5ms
Espon 3010 – 100ms
Espon 5010 – 81.4ms
Sanyo Z200 – 16ms
Sony HW20 – 16-32ms

Not Confirmed
Espon 8500 – 45ms
Panasonic AE7000 – 30ms
(Above Source: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1377652)

Confirmed
BenQ W5000 – 50ms
Optoma HD800x – 30ms
Infocus X10 – 25ms
Panasonic AE300U – 30ms
Sony HW10 – 10-20ms
Sanyo Z3000 – 30ms
Panasonic AE4000 – 33ms
JVC RS1 – 50ms
JVC RS40 – 70ms

Not Confirmed

Sony HW15 – 25ms
Infocus IN82 – 10-20ms
JVC RS10 – 60-100ms
Espon 8500UB – 45ms
Acer H9500BD – 80ms
BenQ W6000 – 10ms
Sanyo Z2000 – 16ms
Sony HW30 – 19ms
Mistubishi Hc7800 – 18ms

*The "Not Confirmed" numbers are the ones that people have provided, but without any real proof. I'm not saying they didn't test the information, its just that we can't confirm it. No offense was meant to the testers.

TC, I didn't add your results because they were on par with your laptop. You need to test your laptop too see how much it lags.
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Can anyone with a Benq w6000 confirm the above lag measurement? Thanks in advance.
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snoopyman!!!

you did awesome job !!

I'm collecting same information that U did, but Its useless now


Expecting more update soon!!
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Placed Snoopyman's compilation into a Google doc spreadsheet and shared it for anyone to add/edit.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...VhOS0stUVBUeHc

Anyone know how to embed a spreadsheet in a post?
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Hey all, just found this lag test review...

RESULTS: The fastest projector we have in house at the moment is the Panasonic AR100U, which clocks in at a screaming fast 1.5 frame delay. Right on its heels is the Mitsubishi HC7800, at 2.0 frames lag time. Next in line were the Acer H9500 and Panasonic AE7000, both of which measured 2.5 frames in their game modes. The BenQ W7000 comes in at 3.0 frames. And bringing up the rear is the Epson Home Cinema 5010, with a pokey 5.5 frame delay in its fastest mode.

Frame interpolation systems slow things down on all models as you would expect. With these feature on their low settings, the Acer 9500 and the BenQ W7000 dropped to a sluggish 9 frame delay. (Hey, you just don't use frame interp while gaming). The Epson 5010 dropped to 8.5 frames and the Mitsubishi dropped to 5 frames. The Panasonic AE7000 was least affected by frame interpolation, dropping from 2.5 in game mode to 4.0 in Cinema with FI on low.


Source: http://www.projectorcentral.com/proj...s&entry_id=487
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Never heard of the PT-AR100U, but again, I havent been looking... 2800 Lumen?! wow. Im off to search for related threads on this PJ!

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Quick comment: HW30 is excellent for gaming.

See my point #4 in this post click me

Oh heck, I'll just paste the key area below:

"4) Gaming is great. I wasn't sure what to expect. I tried out Black Ops and it played very well in the regular mode. This game has some motion delay already built into it (acceleration when you turn) so it already hides the delay. To really test it, I played the demo of Sonic Generations. To me and my son there was a noticeable delay from pressing "A" to jump and Sonic taking the jump. I changed the setting to "game" and the delay went away! Zombie10ks measurements have been proven in my mind. (Ok, occasionally I thought there was a tiny tiny delay, but we know there is a 20-30ms delay --- I found it very acceptable).
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The Pansonic 100u is a relativly entry level projector, don't expect fantastic performance out of it, for gaming yes and brightness yes, but thats about as far as i would go. Seeing these figures have rested my nerved about ordering the Mitsu
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Can anyone confirm the numbers for the Panasonic AE7000?
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Can anyone confirm the numbers for the Panasonic AE7000?

I don't know what this translates to in MS, but nobody seems to take this as official.

Try this: it's from projector central

"RESULTS: The fastest projector we have in house at the moment is the Panasonic AR100U, which clocks in at a screaming fast 1.5 frame delay. Right on its heels is the Mitsubishi HC7800, at 2.0 frames lag time. Next in line were the Acer H9500 and Panasonic AE7000, both of which measured 2.5 frames in their game modes. The BenQ W7000 comes in at 3.0 frames. And bringing up the rear is the Epson Home Cinema 5010, with a pokey 5.5 frame delay in its fastest mode.

Frame interpolation systems slow things down on all models as you would expect. With these feature on their low settings, the Acer 9500 and the BenQ W7000 dropped to a sluggish 9 frame delay. (Hey, you just don't use frame interp while gaming). The Epson 5010 dropped to 8.5 frames and the Mitsubishi dropped to 5 frames. The Panasonic AE7000 was least affected by frame interpolation, dropping from 2.5 in game mode to 4.0 in Cinema with FI on low."

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