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Has anyone confirmed if the reon can be bypassed? Also, the epson 6500 still uses the pw390 correct or is it a "slower" chip.
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The Reon cannot be bypassed. The Epson 6500 also has the PW390 processor, but since it also has a Reon, it negates the positives of that chip. Some of our members here have reported that the 6500 is still plenty fast, just not as fast as it could be.

The Epson 6100 has only the PW390, and it's believed to be as fast as last year's fastest projectors. No one has any photographic proof, though.

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As a avid gamer, I am glad to see a thread on input lag. Input lag with all of these fancy image processors is the bane of gamers everywhere! I went through the same thing trying to find a widescreen 24" LCD for my computer. Come to find out that most screens not only have lag, but significant lag. A good fast display for most people would be a half frame (8ms) or less of input lag. An acceptable display would be one full frame (16ms) of lag. Anything 32ms or over in my opinion is a show-stopper.
To the original poster, you must test with a CRT screen and not a laptop LCD. Your laptop screen will have lag and unless you test your laptop versus a CRT, you will not know how much lag. So your results are skewed to begin with. Altough, there are some LCD's like the one that I found for my computer, based on TN screen technology, that have 2ms or less of input lag.
I personally am looking at the Panasonic AE3000 as it has a input lag reduction gaming mode. Has anyone yet tested how fast the AE3000 is in this mode? Here is a quote from the Projector Central review of the AE3000:

"Gaming Mode. As far as gaming is concerned, video delay is not a good thing, and audio delay does not fix the problem. So the AE3000 has a feature which is not called Gaming Mode, but should be. It is called Frame Response, and it lets you adjust the speed of frame delivery from the buffer. Your options are "Normal" and "Fast." "Normal" will provide normal video processing and results in a frame delay of about 3 frames (assuming Frame Creation is off). "Fast" will eliminate some of the standard video processing overhead and cuts frame delay to about 1.5 frames. You can see the effect on lip synch when switching between Normal and Fast, as lip synch problems pretty much disappear in Fast mode. There is no way for a video picture to appear instantaneously with zero delay on any digital video display, so the Fast frame delivery feature on the AE3000 is about as good as it gets. Put the AE3000 into Fast frame response mode, select Dynamic calibration with a few color tweaks, and you end up with a magnificent high resolution gaming system.

(By the way, we tried to activate Frame Creation while setting Frame Response to "fast" to see if the projector would explode. Apparently, the engineers anticipated this. The AE3000 simply defaults to Frame Creation and ignores the fast Frame Response command. The AE3000 knows when it is in the hands of a stupid user.)"

He does not say how he came upon these numbers he is quoting. He says 1.5 frames of lag, or about 24ms in gaming mode! That is barely passable if it is true. The quoted number of three frames, or 48ms for normal mode is truely horrible. That is almost an entire 1/20th of a second which is really noticeable. I think you would have some lip sync issues watching movies with that much lag.

If the lag on the AE3000 really is that slow, I might have to look into other projectors like the Sanyo PLV-Z3000. Please, keep the posts coming on this important issue!

I have the AE3000 and play games all the time on PC. Mostly Crysis and Warcraft.

The 3000 is a horrible projector for gaming lag. Even with fast FRAME response on fast and 120Hz turned off... this projector still lags prolly in the 100-130ms range. Even playing a low rez game 1024x768 of Warcraft3 Frozen throne, you can tell that the mouse cursor lags your hand movment ever so slightly. Enough to be annoying. When I pop my vga cable over to my ax200u..boom everything is peachy.

The AE3000 is not good for anything but watching movies for HT

Why the engineers at Panasonic didn't add a true Gaming mode to this projector is beyond me. Someone needs to show up at their office with a baseball bat and get some answers.
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I have the AE3000 and play games all the time on PC. Mostly Crysis and Warcraft.

The 3000 is a horrible projector for gaming lag. Even with fast FRAME response on fast and 120Hz turned off... this projector still lags prolly in the 100-130ms range. Even playing a low rez game 1024x768 of Warcraft3 Frozen throne, you can tell that the mouse cursor lags your hand movment ever so slightly. Enough to be annoying. When I pop my vga cable over to my ax200u..boom everything is peachy.

The AE3000 is not good for anything but watching movies for HT

Why the engineers at Panasonic didn't add a true Gaming mode to this projector is beyond me. Someone needs to show up at their office with a baseball bat and get some answers.

Well...they realized they had a lag problem and created a mode that minimized it...that I can definitely appreciate. What bugs me is people thinking the Panasonic is probably the best LCD projector for gaming because it's the only one that has a gaming mode. (Understandable based on how they market it.)

Looking forward to seeing how the Epson 6100 and Sanyo Z700 perform, with photographed tests, if someone has a chance.

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Hey everyone,

I just bought my first house which has a living room that is perfect for a large HD projection system. Looking to buy a projector in the next month for use on a 120" screen. Like everyone else in this thread, I am an avid gamer who is extremely sensitive to input lag. My friends and I play at a high-level in 2D fighting games...even one frame of lag is noticeable and affects game play in these situations.

I know from my reading that I'll have to live with at least 1 frame of lag, but I'd like to keep it as low as possible in native and even upscaled resolutions. Also I am very sensitive to the blurring associated with motion on LCD panels. I'm not sure if that is an issue on LCD projection systems, but if so I'd like to keep it to a minimum.

I've read this thread up to here but its hard to get the newest information. What are the current recommendations for a gaming projection system?

Did anyone ever post numbers about the Sanyo Z3000? What about Epsons, like the 6500UB? Or do those not have the pixelworks processor?

Thanks in advance for any recommendations. Like I said I am looking to buy in the next month or so. Thanks!
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Did anyone ever post numbers about the Sanyo Z3000? What about Epsons, like the 6500UB? Or do those not have the pixelworks processor?

I haven no official numbers, but I have the 7500UB (almost identical to the 6500UB) and I don't notice any lag. I've played Fallout3, Bomberman and Braid, have FI turned to "normal," and everything seems very responsive to me. I'm hardly an expert, but I don't have any issues playing.

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so anyone tested the Sanyo Z3000 yet?
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so anyone tested the Sanyo Z3000 yet?

Nope, still nothing. A couple weeks ago, ResOGlas had said he was going to do it within the next day, and since then he's just disappeared. I've been waiting with bated breath myself, since my projector buying decision depends on those numbers. Damn, I wish reviewers would start testing this stuff. Once you've got the equipment, it only takes a few minutes.
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I haven no official numbers, but I have the 7500UB (almost identical to the 6500UB) and I don't notice any lag. I've played Fallout3, Bomberman and Braid, have FI turned to "normal," and everything seems very responsive to me. I'm hardly an expert, but I don't have any issues playing.

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FI definitely adds lag. If you want to avoid lag, keep FI off, regardless of the projector.

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I was obsessing over which projector to get for gaming and I finally decided on the Epson 6500UB. As I said before I really don't trust myself as far as noticing lag, so if your sensitive, you probably should take my comment with a FWIW in front of it. Anways, I have tried to notice lag, and I can not. I'm not saying there isn't any, just saying that I can't notice it. I'm glad I chose the better blacks of the 6500 over the 6100, as I still watch movies. Though the cheaper price of the 6100 was tempting.... if you do get the 6500 or 6100, I would wait till late Feb, as they are trying to fix a focus drifting issue. Though apparantly Epson has a good return policy, so if you are unlucky like me, its not the end of the world.

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Still waiting for Z3000 (FI on/off) input lag times!!

I can't place my order before I know those
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Still waiting for Z3000 (FI on/off) input lag times!!

I can't place my order before I know those

Don't think it's coming. I gave up on Z3000 already and am pretty much set on the JVC RS10/HD350
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Don't think it's coming. I gave up on Z3000 already and am pretty much set on the JVC RS10/HD350

My wallet just cant do that. HD350 is twice the price of Z3000 here
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Don't think it's coming. I gave up on Z3000 already and am pretty much set on the JVC RS10/HD350

Not that I can afford it, but are there any lag numbers for the RS10?
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I'm also about to pull the trigger on a projector that I'll use a lot for gaming.

I've seen the JVC rs10 / hd 350 and the image is incredible...

But possible input lag is the issue thats holding me from grabbing one.

Has anyone experienced / measured the lag for this projector?
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Just out of curiousity how much lag would be added by using an HDMI switch like the units available from Monoprice?
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Just out of curiousity how much lag would be added by using an HDMI switch like the units available from Monoprice?

They don't have frame buffers, so the extra delay would be negligible (measured in microseconds, not milliseconds).
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They don't have frame buffers, so the extra delay would be negligible (measured in microseconds, not milliseconds).

Great, thanks krik!!
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So nobody has any numbers on the Z3000??

Could someone at least comment on performance for what they perceive??

I would like to know about the Z3000, epson 6100/6500.

I would love to have the mitsu 7000 or 6500 but both are vey expensive where I live (they sell them at full MSRP). Other projectors I can't get locally.

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Hey Guys,

finally I found some people who are interested in the input lag "performance" of recent projectors. Due to my "gaming history" I am pretty easily annoyed by lag and therefore input lag is a crucial criteria for any projector I consider buying.

Today I had the chance to participate in a nice projector shootout at my favorite HT-Dealer and would like to share these results with you guys:

Sadly I didn´t bring my camera and had to take pictures with my iphone which made the analysis be a guessing game.

I took about 10 pictures per projector and noticed that the results are pretty much the same each time. The following shots are in the middle of each projectors "lag-range" and pretty readable:

Sanyo Z3000:



Epson TW3800: (~Pro Cinema 7100]



JVC HD350:



According to my calibration, which was done with a very fast TN-Panel (HP2207) via DVI the results are the following:

Sanyo Z3000 and Epson TW3800 ~ 100 ms
JVC HD350 around 150-200 ms

Any kind of picture improving technology was turned off if possible (HD350 doesn´t offer the option to turn of picture improvement)

Doesn´t look too good for us gamers, does it ? Next friday I will visit the same Dealer again and try to get a couple more tests going (and bring a better camera )

EDIT:

In terms of Image Quality for HDTV, Blueray and DVD my clear winner would be the HD350. Comparing the two lower price models from Epson and Sanyo my Choice would probably be the Sanyo due to a darker Black and a generally stronger plasticity and sharpness. This is a very close call though. Both projectors are capable of generating a great picture but are not as brilliant as the HD 350. In terms of color quality and "feel" the Sanyo and the Epson are somewhat different while none is a clear winner. Some scenes look better on the one while other scenes look better on the other.

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I noticed there is a mitsubishi HC7000 (or maybe a HC6500?) there too.

Could check the lag on that one??

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good job frexit!
what do the numbers mean? 150 ms is that comparable to 150 ms on a flat panel LCD screen?! my flat panel LCD is only about 4 ms! I'm hoping to play lots of PS3 games on my projector.
My HD350 is hopefully arriving next week. once I get it up and running I'll run the test to compare the results.
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good job frexit!
what do the numbers mean? 150 ms is that comparable to 150 ms on a flat panel LCD screen?! my flat panel LCD is only about 4 ms! I'm hoping to play lots of PS3 games on my projector.
My HD350 is hopefully arriving next week. once I get it up and running I'll run the test to compare the results.

No, the 4ms on an LCD is the pixel response time. That's a separate measurement than input lag. The two are not comparable in the sense that a 20ms pixel response time would be terrible while a 20ms input lag would be quite good.
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Tue Input lag ist comparable to regular delay due to a slow internet connection.. 150ms is aproximately thedelay of a 56k (isdn) connection.
Further testings are scheduled for next Friday
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has anyone had the chance to test the input lag on a jvc rs2? How does the on board Gennum processing hold up in this regard? thanks
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After reviewing quite a lot of information on "Gaming on the Big-Screen (projector/lcd/plasma) I am afraid I the following assumption is the key:

Any kind of "Big-Screen" equipment is set to produce the best available picture, which implies the following:

The better/more expensive the "Big-Screen" Device the more elaborate are the various picture improving techniques which results in more input lag.

This "fact" basically leaves us vivid gamers with just 2 options:

1.) Use a big-screen device with a rather simpel pixel processing chip and tolerate a "poor" cinema experience in order to enjoy lag-free gaming

2.) Find a big-screen device capable of running it´s native resolution over VGA, which should reduce the input lag to a minimum by circumventing the pixel-processing chip.

What do you think ?

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Hey, frexit, thanks for doing this! You're a hero!

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Sanyo Z3000 and Epson TW3800 ~ 100 ms
JVC HD350 around 150-200 ms

Any kind of picture improving technology was turned off if possible (HD350 doesn´t offer the option to turn of picture improvement)

Wow, those numbers are absolutely atrocious. If the projectors are that slow, then they are essentially unplayable.

On the other hand, that doesn't jibe well with previous tests (for instance, peteer found the TW4000 to be around 30ms).

One thing I was wondering: did you guys make sure frame interpolation was turned off? It's not exactly a picture improvement per se, but it will cause much more delay than any picture improvement.
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I find the Epson results above really hard to believe. Almost the exact results as the Sanyo 3000, but using different Pixelworks chipsets?

So very strange...

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Well, If I am not mistaken, peteer was testing projector's lag using his laptop through VGA (analog) while frexit tested through DVI (digital), a different kind of connection. Processing might be different for both kind of connections. Everybody will likely play with their PS3s or XBOX360s through HDMI and I think that what we are most concerned about. Maybe someone in the forum has a laptop with HDMI ouput and access to a store with the projectors we are all interested and do that favor for us??

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As unreasonable as it sounds, the only true test is the screen lag at 720p and 1080p over HDMI. Any other combination is not a good indication of how most console gamers would use their projector. Even at that point, what to bench again? A magic CRT monitor that accepts HDMI? This is only getting more challenging

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