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Hi
The HD350 is very expensive here in Denmark
Is the PQ better than fine without ISF calaibration, using one of the preset modes?
I realize that ISF calibration is a must to get the absolute best from this projector, but I'll be very hard strapped for cash if I buy this (but it's so black and pretty!)
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Hi
The HD350 is very expensive here in Denmark
Is the PQ better than fine without ISF calaibration, using one of the preset modes?
I realize that ISF calibration is a must to get the absolute best from this projector, but I'll be very hard strapped for cash if I buy this (but it's so black and pretty!)

Even ISF calibration can't correct the colour gamut without an external VP. So long as you aren't overly bothered by the OOTB colours (I wasn't particularly once the main colour control was set to -8 or -10), then a quick check/adjustment using the (free to downlaod) AVS709 calibration disc should be all you need to set the contrast and brightness. You can set the three user modes with your prefered choice of settings (including gamma and colour temp) and maybe have them set similar, but with each of the three iris positions depending on film content or ambient light. This should give you a good range of settings available at a single button press.

Remember that you can use the service menu to alter the three iris positions to any one of the 15 settings to balance up brightness particularly if you zoom for 2.35:1 and back for 16:9. I set mine to to 14, 11 and 9 in the SM. If I watch a 'dark' film I tend to use 'User 1' mode with the iris closed at 14 for better blacks. If the film is a bit brighter then I may use 'User 2' mode that has the iris at 11, which gives a little more 'pop' to the image.

If you can find a secondhand Lumagen HDP/HDQ then you can use that to help 'mitigate' the colours (at least they are improved subjectively), but you'll need some kind of calibration equipment (or an ISF calibrator) to get the best out if it. Either way, although I am happy with the improvements it gave me, I wasn't unhappy with the HD350 on it's own.

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Hi
The HD350 is very expensive here in Denmark
Is the PQ better than fine without ISF calaibration, using one of the preset modes?
I realize that ISF calibration is a must to get the absolute best from this projector, but I'll be very hard strapped for cash if I buy this (but it's so black and pretty!)

Hey trust me, it wasnt cheap here either!

I paid $6100 installed...! Certainly broke my bank account.
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Is there any way to turn off the inputs I do not use. That way I don't have to keep hitting the input button to skip over the s-video and component video inputs. There isn't any kind of direct access menu/button is there?
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Could not find it / or over looked it! Here is the link to user manual DLA-RS10:
http://books.jvcservice.com/booklist.asp?Model=DLA-RS10
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I recently installed my rs10 and had it calibrated last evening. Here's what we found.

Projecting 16 feet to a 119 diag Draper M1300, projector lens about 8ft 3 in above ground, and top of screen about 84 inches above ground. With the iris fully opened, bulb at 100 hours, we were getting only 8.5 foot lamberts (Sencore pr-650 meter). Although I didn't want the screen quite that large, I got a really low price on it and relying on the projector central calculator, it indicated I would get, albeit optimistically, 20 foot lamberts. I expected lower, but was very surprised that it came out that low.

The grey scale out of the box was very, very good. The colors, as expected, were beyond the allowed ranges.

We installed a Lumagen Radiance XE on the unit and adjusted the colors at 100% stimulus. Initially, we did it at 80%, but it looked better at the later value.

When I get the data and graphs, I post them for reference.

I was very concerned over the lumens output from the projector. It does look great when in the evening when there is full light control, but I was expecting about 15 foot lamberts. Beware of those projector calculators. This is my first projector. Had I been aware of this, I would have passed on the great deal on the screen, and gone down to at least a 110 diag, or maybe even a 104.
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Had I been aware of this, I would have passed on the great deal on the screen, and gone down to at least a 110 diag, or maybe even a 104.

Are you sure you are getting maximum light output? Is one of the color gain settings at 0 ? If not you are not getting maximum possible light output.
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When we started, he used a pattern generator to display a 100% stim grey scale window after checking that the iris was wide open. The pr-650 would only read 8.5 lumens.

What are other's light outputs on various size screens, with the particulars of their installations.

I was thinking that I had a bad bulb.
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The HD350 is very expensive here in Denmark

How expensive, this is not priced to bad here in the US.

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I paid $6100 installed...!

WOW, I am sorry to hear this. I hope they game you one of the best screens on the market for that price.
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The cost in Denmark is $5500, and then comes calibration and extended warranty...
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WOW, I am sorry to hear this. I hope they game you one of the best screens on the market for that price.

The $6100 was JUST for projector and installation. The projector retails for $6499 here
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The $6100 was JUST for projector and installation. The projector retails for $6499 here

Is that Australian dollars or US?
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Australian!
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I recently installed my rs10 and had it calibrated last evening. Here's what we found.

Projecting 16 feet to a 119 diag Draper M1300, projector lens about 8ft 3 in above ground, and top of screen about 84 inches above ground. With the iris fully opened, bulb at 100 hours, we were getting only 8.5 foot lamberts (Sencore pr-650 meter). Although I didn't want the screen quite that large, I got a really low price on it and relying on the projector central calculator, it indicated I would get, albeit optimistically, 20 foot lamberts. I expected lower, but was very surprised that it came out that low.

The grey scale out of the box was very, very good. The colors, as expected, were beyond the allowed ranges.

We installed a Lumagen Radiance XE on the unit and adjusted the colors at 100% stimulus. Initially, we did it at 80%, but it looked better at the later value.

When I get the data and graphs, I post them for reference.

I was very concerned over the lumens output from the projector. It does look great when in the evening when there is full light control, but I was expecting about 15 foot lamberts. Beware of those projector calculators. This is my first projector. Had I been aware of this, I would have passed on the great deal on the screen, and gone down to at least a 110 diag, or maybe even a 104.

I'm sorry to hear about your predicament. 8.5 foot lamberts are unacceptably low.
Have you tried switching from Normal lamp mode to High lamp mode?

I use a DaLite 119" High Power Screen running under Normal lamp mode,
and the picture can at times be too bight already. The High Power Screen
material exhibits a gain of about 2.8 at boresight.
http://www.da-lite.com/products/product_pdfs/288.pdf
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Would someone please explain the desire for extremely bright images when the contrast ratio of the projector doesn't change. My RS2 with 2300 hours was down to <4fL with the black level at ~.0005fL. If it were at 16fL for white, the black level would be .002fL. This is what is unacceptable, blacks are no longer black, they look gray...... Black level should be targeted to near the black level of the screen with the room at viewing levels. The "bat cave" 0fL cannot be achieved with the projector, however my room with shades can get down to .0004fL.

The formulas the take 500 Lumens on a 110" screen (36 sqft) and say 18fL on a 1.3 screen doesn't happen, it will generally measure ~<11fL.

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Australian!

WOW for that price difference the $200 for shipping from the US looks very good.
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Australian!

Then its not expensive at all. That is
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Can any of you out there recommend which Blueray DVD Player to use with this PJ?

What are you using?
Comments on Panasonic BD80?
Any one know when the Oppo is sheduled to be available?

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Has anyone tried gaming with there RS10?


I'm curious if there is any noticeable input lag?
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For those with an anamorphic lens - I read somewhere you need a 2.0 or more throw ratio because of the recessed lens. What if you have less than that - does it just not work? I'm thinking of getting the prismasonic HD-5000R and my TR is about 1.85.

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Can any of you out there recommend which Blueray DVD Player to use with this PJ?

What are you using?
Comments on Panasonic BD80?
Any one know when the Oppo is sheduled to be available?

Can any of you owners comment on the above?

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I'm using a Sony BDP-S350 with mine and another Sony DVD player via my Lumagen HDQ upscaled to 1080/50p (PAL land ). I don't know about the BD80, though I suspect there won't be much (if any) real difference in the BluRay picture quality, DVD upscaling may be better than my 'S350, but not likely to beat my HDQ.

I don't think the Oppo is due to be on sale for a while yet....I did look into it, but it's an ugly piece of kit (IMHO) and I doubt the BD playback will be much different as there seems to be such subtle differences between players, so probably not worth the change for me. It would have been more convienient to have one box for BD and DVD, but there is room in the rack, so not a big issue either.

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Thanks for your input. I have a hunch I will go for the Panasonic, however the Oppo sounds like it will be good. Anyone heard any dates?

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WOW for that price difference the $200 for shipping from the US looks very good.

Until something breaks and you find your warranty doesnt exist!
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I'm actually in possesion of one Oppo BDP-83. It replaced a PS3 and I have to say it will permanently replace the PS3. Load times aren't that much slower than the PS3. It's hard to say if the Blu-Ray picture is any better, but I can say the DVD picture is better. I am sitting roughly 10 feet from my 110" Diag screen and I can say a DVD is very watchable. It really bugged me to watch DVDs from the PS3, but the Oppo isn't that bad.

As for a release date, I've heard the end of April.
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I'm actually in possesion of one Oppo BDP-83. It replaced a PS3 and I have to say it will permanently replace the PS3. Load times aren't that much slower than the PS3. It's hard to say if the Blu-Ray picture is any better, but I can say the DVD picture is better. I am sitting roughly 10 feet from my 110" Diag screen and I can say a DVD is very watchable. It really bugged me to watch DVDs from the PS3, but the Oppo isn't that bad.

As for a release date, I've heard the end of April.

Thats the first time I've seen someone complain about the upconversion capabilities of PS3. I use a PS3 and really like the picture I get from my DVDs. Of course its all relative and may be I need to look at the Oppo.
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Thats the first time I've seen someone complain about the upconversion capabilities of PS3. I use a PS3 and really like the picture I get from my DVDs. Of course its all relative and may be I need to look at the Oppo.

I thought the same about my BDP-S350 as an upscaler, then I got my Lumagen HDQ and realised just how good DVDs can look. If you do look at the Oppo, you may not want to go back to your PS3 for DVDs.

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Maybe it's just me, but I was never all that impressed with the PS3 playing DVDs. The Oppo does do a better job with them.
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I recently watched a 16:9 film on my 2.35:1 screen with my HD350. I haven't got round to making up side masking for my screen as this is a fairly rare occurance (most films I watch seem to be 2.40/2.35:1 through no particular choice, that's just the way it is). I noticed that on each side of the 16:9 image there was a dark grey stripe (not the same width, left being wider than the right). Is this a result of the DILA panel being more than 1080 pixels wide and the unused pixels can't produce 'pure' black? The electronic shift is central AFAIK, only the lens shift is in use.

I seem to remember about overspill, but I can't find it now. Perhaps it was for the RS1/HD1 models? It isn't really an issue as I must get round to making some masking anyway, but if it is a setup issue, then it would be nice to know.

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I know, I know... Yet another "should I upgrade from XXX" post, but I do think I'm the first to ask - did anyone switch to this projector from a CRT? I can't ask this question over on the CRT forum, because of course you know I would be burned at the stake as a heretic for the mere thought..

So I've got a 9 year old Runco DTV 930 which still throws a very nice picture, but I have grown tired of the "care and feeding" of a finicky CRT and I long for a "point and shoot" that I can setup once and not really worry about fiddling with convergence every time the weather changes. Has anyone moved from a CRT to a unit like this one? Am I setting myself up for a huge disappointment? The discussions about convergence a few pages ago concerned me, since thats my #1 gripe with this unit - that I seem to be constantly tweaking convergence (my red just won't stay put). But maybe I'm just too picky.

My room is roughly 20x10, the screen is a stewart 100" diagonal - I'm afraid I no longer know what the material is - whatever they sold as the "luxus deluxe screenwall" in 2000. I have virtually complete light control. I plan to mount this projector behind the existing crt, so that puts it at a 12-14' throw.

Anyone want to talk me down?

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