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I did some side-by-side of the VW80 with the 11S2. I had the 11S2 in its highest contrast mode and the VW80 in manual iris mode with the iris closed as far as possible, with both lamps on low (I didn't want to use high with both running and increase the risk of an overheat condition). In this case I needed to lower the contrast setting on the VW80 to reduce the white level about 25% in order to equalize them. I played with the green and blue gains on the 11S2 to get the white levels looking about the same color to my eyes. I also went through and looked for gamma settings in the VW80 to get windows from 10% to 100% matched up fairly well. Then I put up 100% windows for the colors and tried to match the colors close enough by eye. I ended up in Wide mode on the VW80 with the color control at 45 (default shows 50, but it was 55 when I got it).
I haven't tested everything I was going to in the side-by-side, but looked at the blackout images. The VW80 was just slightly darker there. Not much, but a little. Of course, I had reduced the on/off CR on it in order to match the white levels, so should have been a little more difference in the VW80's favor if they had been equalized in a way that didn't hurt its on/off CR (not even including that I had disabled the dynamic iris for this comparison). I looked at some dark stuff at the beginning of National Treasure and there was some stuff there where the blacks looked darker on the 11S2 side. I also looked at Hellboy and there was a lot of similarity between the images this way, but the 11S2 side was a little sharper and I think it had a little more depth overall in the bright images.
I then went to the pan I mentioned earlier from Inside Man (about an hour in). I started out with the frame creation stuff in the VW80 off. This pan is from left to right and the 11S2 was on the right, so objects started there and then moved to the VW80 side. While I think the VW80 has some motion blur, it looks to me like that or something else reduces how obvious judder is. When watching this scene on the VW80 by itself I had seen judder, but with the 11S2 on the right it seemed like the judder for objects was reduced when they hit the VW80 side. They still had kind of double images at the left and right edge, but the jumpiness of the objects in the image just didn't seem quite as obvious. I then tried the VW80 on low for frame creation. When I had tried this on the VW80 by itself I didn't think the effect was huge, but it sure stood out when doing the side-by-side with the 11S2. Objects would judder on the 11S2 and then mostly smooth out on the VW80 side. Not as much as high mode, but it was pretty obvious here. Things that couldn't be read or hardly read were easier to read on the VW80 side, like a No Smoking sign.
I tried the frame creation stuff on a 1080i football game in this side-by-side and I really couldn't tell much difference. Maybe other people see a lot of difference, but I didn't. I did only try for a minute or so before moving onto some other testing though.
I realize it is kind of sacrilegious and some people hate these frame creation features, but I'm not a film purist and personally like some of this frame creation stuff when done right. I need to try the low mode with a whole movie, but I think it might be the determining factor in which I keep between the RS20 and the VW80. I'm planning on keeping my Panasonic AE3000 for my bedroom and I don't think it would be reasonable to use its frame creation feature and then not have something at least similar for the projector in my theater room, since the difference would probably bug me. So, if the low frame creation mode in the VW80 works well with more testing (doesn't have bad artifacts at times that make it not worth it to use) then I think I'll probably keep the VW80 for my theater room and sell the RS20.
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