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Oh boy Epson is not making me to happy right now. Yesterday I got my unit and had a frozen focus ring, so called to order a new replacement, after some time on the phone they said they would next day air me a new unit. So I called today to see if it had shipped and to get a confirmation number, but to my surprise, the unit is on backorder. They told me they just found out today and didn't know yesterday, and there are others waiting for another shipment from Japan for replacements. They don't have any idea how long it will take, so in the meantime I have nothing to watch.

For those of you placing orders now I would highly recommend the company open up the box and at least check for a frozen lens, or other problems
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So i did a calibration last night ( i have been using Arts settings until now) using an AVIA calibration disk and after running through it and getting it exactly how they suggest.... it looks like crap!
I will say... it looked great on Cars on bluray but the thats because the colors were way over the top which works on the animated moves to give it a lot of pop. It made everyone look sunburnt.

Has anyone else seen this. I may use that setting for certain content but it is way too saturated for normal content.
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So i did a calibration last night ( i have been using Arts settings until now) using an AVIA calibration disk and after running through it and getting it exactly how they suggest.... it looks like crap!
I will say... it looked great on Cars on bluray but the thats because the colors were way over the top which works on the animated moves to give it a lot of pop. It made everyone look sunburnt.

Has anyone else seen this. I may use that setting for certain content but it is way too saturated for normal content.

Buy DVE-HD on Blu-ray first. Check your presets on the projector second.
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Right now I'm thinking of buying the AE3000 or the 6500 UB - the only thing holding me back from buying the Epson is the FI problem. Either way I'll be running the projector in dynamic mode and experimenting with filters, which should be interesting and has the potential of a significantly higher on/off C.R.

Well when my new replacement comes in I'll be sure to give my opinion because this is a feature I really like. I did watch some movie parts with my out of focus unit and from what I could tell the unit does FI like its supposed to when outputing 60 frames from my HD DVD player. IT did have a couple of hiccups on a couple of spots with Alexander revisited. Keep in mind I only watched maybe 20 minutes worth, but it seemed to work like I saw on tvs at CC, which also had some hiccups. There was one very bad hiccup when Alexander comes riding up on his horse and the movement is up and down, it displayed it almost like a flutter with the picture jumping very quickly up and down for that half second or less. Its fast but noticable. Since I could'nt see the menu I couldn't adjust anything. I threw in Pitch black, at the beginning scene with all the fast shakey movement and it looked smoother and weird because FI does give that Fake look to it. There was no studder problem that I could see.

The unit is extremely bright and even on dynamic mode the colors were very poppy and the color accuracy was much better than I anticpated. I'm sure with the filter, it would be a great mode to keep on while watching movies. I run a 135 screen and with the shades fully opened at 1:30 pm from the 8ft window the picture still looked great, I even turned every light on in the room and it didn't matter cause the sun was much more powerful and so didn't change the look of the screen. I could never keep the shades open with my other pj. I had my LCD tv on at the same time and it was still brighter than the pj as expected, but closer than I could ever imagine for such a big screen with shades open. Also the colors looked better on the pj then the Sony Bravia tv

I don't know if the fan is on high in dynamic mode from factory, but with that mode, it is very quiet, much lower than my current pj.
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Hi There. I just recieved my universal mounting kit (AV817u) so I can mount my 6500 on it.

What mounting kit are you using to mount your Epson 6500?

I'm using a cheap ceiling mount from monoprice that includes an varible length extension that lets you drop the projector up to 2 ft. down from the ceiling. The mount seems fairly well made and it should accommodate the Epson 6500UB's mounting points. I've used a lot of the monoprice cables as well as their mounts for flat screen TVs and have only run across one that wasn't as reasonably good quality product, and that product has now been discontinued. I have a 9 ft. high ceiling and figured I would drop the projector down about 18 inches.

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I'm getting my 6500UB delivered tomorrow from AVS and I have already put up the ceiling mount. The projector will be centered with the screen horizontal and the mount can be adjusted vertically. I know the 6500UB offers a vertical offset adjustment, but I assume that, like most such projectors, if you need to use a lot of vertical offset there will likely be chromatic aberration (color fringing) introduced in the projected image. From pages 14 & 15 of the 6500UB owner's manual it appears that the zero vertical offset point is with the center of the image at the same vertical position as the projector (i.e., the projector would have to be centered with the screen in order to use zero offset). With my 120" (diagonal) screen, the table on Page 15 indicates the "Offset A" adjustment range would allow up to a 27" offset and the "Offset B" adjustment range would allow up to a whopping 86". It appears that when the projector is ceiling mounted the Offset B value would be UP from the projector vertical position and the Offset A would be the down direction (opposite from the stand mounted pojector configuration illustrated on page 14 of the owner's manual). Thus the available offset adjustment range would allow a ceiling mounted projector to be well above the top of the screen. However, this doesn't mean such a location wouldn't result in a degraded image. I'm really interested to hear from owners of 6500UB or 7500UB projectors to see what mounting location they are using (distance above or below the top of screen) and do you see any signs the image is being degraded as a result of using excessive offset. To best judge the effect of just vertical offset, I would like to hear from users that have near zero horizontal offset. Also as already posted by some 6500UB and 7500UB owners, the effects of using too high an offset adjustment (either vertical and/or horizontal) may incorrectly be believed to be a misconvergence issue. If you see a uniform offset on one color vs. another over the entire screen its likely a panel convergence issue. However, if the misalignment of colors appears just on parts of the image (e.g., lower section or corners) it may be because you are using too much lens offset.


ron - I noticed that on my projector also. When I placed it on a table (right side up) the image was down on the carpet. That means when I flip it over for ceiling mounting the image will be shift to up on the ceiling rather than down to on the wall.

edit - I checked the projector at home - it's also noted in the owner's manual that in the upright position the projector has more lens shift downward than up ( A offset vs B offset) as another poster pointed out. Not the brightest engineering move as it would have been much more helpful to have the beam with more offset ability upward rather than downward (with the pj right side up).
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ron - I noticed that on my projector also. When I placed it on a table (right side up) the image was down on the carpet. That means when I flip it over for ceiling mounting the image will be shift to up on the ceiling rather than down to on the wall. Does that sound right?

That's much more of a pronouced default offset than I would expect, perhaps your projector's lens offset control was set all the way in the down direction (for a self mounted configuration).

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So i did a calibration last night ( i have been using Arts settings until now) using an AVIA calibration disk and after running through it and getting it exactly how they suggest.... it looks like crap!
I will say... it looked great on Cars on bluray but the thats because the colors were way over the top which works on the animated moves to give it a lot of pop. It made everyone look sunburnt.

Has anyone else seen this. I may use that setting for certain content but it is way too saturated for normal content.


Same thing happened to me with AVIA on DVD. The colors, mostly red, were so far off everything looked TERRIBLE even though everything was 100% accurate according to the DVD.

I purchased an Xrite and Calman so I can get better results.
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ok, some initial impressions after two relatively short nights of viewing (dang work).

Fantastic picture. Best blacks I've seen, wonderful in picture contrast. The iris seems to work pretty well; I have it on high speed and I haven't "seen" it working yet, which has been my big problem with irises before. Colors are pretty spot on, plenty of that fabled pop.

I'm still playing with all the picture modes. Theater black 1 seems to be the best for movie viewing. I haven't gotten a chance to do much with Dynamic, Living Room, or Natural outside of some blu ray and TV watching but quick impressions was that I preferred Theater Black 1 for blu ray and Natural for TV. I have to do much more experimenting to find what I like from each mode. So far I've just run in Art's settings, so I've got some tweaking to do.

FI: Watching some HDTV with it and was impressed with the difference it can make in the picture (Fringe really did look like it was shot with a handheld digital) but ultimately didn't like the look of it. Didn't notice any artifacts there. Watched some of the bowl game last night and didn't see much change/improvement; again noticed no artifacts. Had it on while watching blu ray tonight and didn't notice the same changes in the picture as I did with Fringe, a little more depth/3D at times but not all the time. I did not, however, notice any artifacts. I watched the sections of Casino Royale that have been discussed before and I just didn't notice any problems. Is it subtle? Everything I've read so far would seem to indicate it would be an obvious problem I'd pick up on.

FI on video games was impressive. Increased fluidity and impressive increase in depth/3D. I think I like it here. For movies and TV I could take it or leave it at this point. I've had it on "normal" and haven't messed around with high yet.

Noise: it's audible. I haven't heard the iris working, which I did hear on the 1080UB. When the lamp is put into low it gets much quieter. I don't know much more to add here, it all comes down to your ears. I've had a jet engine Infocus 7210 for the past year and, after getting used to it, never noticed it while watching.

So, overall? I'm super pleased. The picture is just what I was hoping for and I haven't done much tweaking yet. Ultimately that's all I care about. I'll play with the FI but it seems like a minor issue to me. Maybe I'll notice more problems with more viewing.

edit: forgot to add, the HDMI handshake delay is very long and annoying. Hopefully this is something that could be addressed with a mythical FI firmware update in the future.
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This is my 6th home theatre projector upgrade in 9 years. Each upgrade is done with much study, research, homework, and always some luck with my fingers crossed. After expierencing DLP rainbows I am pretty much an LCD man.
Upgrading from the Panasonic AX2000 to the Epson 6500 has been a really good decision. After tweaking the Epson and playing with it for several nights, now I feel like, "How much better can it get"? This is the best picture out of the box before adjustments I have seen on any projector I have owned. This is my first Epson. Epson got this one right!
So, bottom line. I am as happy as a kid in a candy store. We'll see what's new in a few years. In the meantime I'm watching the best picture on a 110" screen I've seen in my living room in 10 years...
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ok, some initial impressions after two relatively short nights of viewing (dang work).

Fantastic picture. Best blacks I've seen, wonderful in picture contrast. The iris seems to work pretty well; I have it on high speed and I haven't "seen" it working yet, which has been my big problem with irises before. Colors are pretty spot on, plenty of that fabled pop.

I'm still playing with all the picture modes. Theater black 1 seems to be the best for movie viewing. I haven't gotten a chance to do much with Dynamic, Living Room, or Natural outside of some blu ray and TV watching but quick impressions was that I preferred Theater Black 1 for blu ray and Natural for TV. I have to do much more experimenting to find what I like from each mode. So far I've just run in Art's settings, so I've got some tweaking to do.

FI: Watching some HDTV with it and was impressed with the difference it can make in the picture (Fringe really did look like it was shot with a handheld digital) but ultimately didn't like the look of it. Didn't notice any artifacts there. Watched some of the bowl game last night and didn't see much change/improvement; again noticed no artifacts. Had it on while watching blu ray tonight and didn't notice the same changes in the picture as I did with Fringe, a little more depth/3D at times but not all the time. I did not, however, notice any artifacts. I watched the sections of Casino Royale that have been discussed before and I just didn't notice any problems. Is it subtle? Everything I've read so far would seem to indicate it would be an obvious problem I'd pick up on.

FI on video games was impressive. Increased fluidity and impressive increase in depth/3D. I think I like it here. For movies and TV I could take it or leave it at this point. I've had it on "normal" and haven't messed around with high yet.

Noise: it's audible. I haven't heard the iris working, which I did hear on the 1080UB. When the lamp is put into low it gets much quieter. I don't know much more to add here, it all comes down to your ears. I've had a jet engine Infocus 7210 for the past year and, after getting used to it, never noticed it while watching.

So, overall? I'm super pleased. The picture is just what I was hoping for and I haven't done much tweaking yet. Ultimately that's all I care about. I'll play with the FI but it seems like a minor issue to me. Maybe I'll notice more problems with more viewing.

edit: forgot to add, the HDMI handshake delay is very long and annoying. Hopefully this is something that could be addressed with a mythical FI firmware update in the future.

Nice review, did you have the player set to 24p when watching the blu rays or 60? The 60 is supposed to work better.

Did Arts settings make a worthy change?
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I made it a point to change it to 24. I'm using a ps3.

It's tough to say on Art's settings. I didn't watch any blu ray on the first night with out of the box settings but didn't notice any big problems with HDTV and video gaming. Then last night I put in his settings before embarking on some blu ray watching. I will say Casino Royale looked very good in Theater Black 1, better than I remember.
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Im still having issues with the IRIS.

I'm sitting directly below the projector, and maybe thats the problem?

Im also wondering if it's possible that my IRIS is defective? It works, but to me it's VERY noticeable and as there haven't been to many people complaining, I'm wondering if maybe my IRIS is not working right. It sounds like an old crappy hard drive chugging away, and sometimes during big changes from black to white it makes a grinding sound.

Also, when you go from a black screen to a bright screen, I can see the screen slowly brighten (takes a about a second) when the IRIS is on high speed. Also, when going from full black to full white, the IRIS creates some weird colour banding when it pumps up to full white.

Can the IRIS be partially defective? or is it supposed to either work or not work? I kinda wan't to keep the one I have as I have near perfect convergence and 0 dead pixels. Would Epson send someone over to check out the problem or would I have to take it somewhere? I can't take it to a dealer as I bought it over the internet.
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I can't comment too much on the visual effects of the iris, but the 2 or 3 times I've turned it on, I hear mine as well when it's quiet and it sounds just like what you're describing.
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Im still having issues with the IRIS.

I'm sitting directly below the projector, and maybe thats the problem?

Im also wondering if it's possible that my IRIS is defective? It works, but to me it's VERY noticeable and as there haven't been to many people complaining, I'm wondering if maybe my IRIS is not working right. It sounds like an old crappy hard drive chugging away, and sometimes during big changes from black to white it makes a grinding sound.

Also, when you go from a black screen to a bright screen, I can see the screen slowly brighten (takes a about a second) when the IRIS is on high speed. Also, when going from full black to full white, the IRIS creates some weird colour banding when it pumps up to full white.

Can the IRIS be partially defective? or is it supposed to either work or not work? I kinda wan't to keep the one I have as I have near perfect convergence and 0 dead pixels. Would Epson send someone over to check out the problem or would I have to take it somewhere? I can't take it to a dealer as I bought it over the internet.

Not sure if an iris can be partially broken, but your observations are similar to mine. When I am using low fan speed, the iris is very audible in both high and normal speed. If I switch to high fan (Brightness ON), the iris is somewhat muffled by the fan noise. I think some people are just not bothered by this noise, so they can easily ignore it. It also seems to be less noticeable if I sit in the front row (projector behind me) than in the back row (projector in front of me). There is also a little more distance to the projector from the front row, so that might also be part of it (no riser).

I did watch a full DVD last night with fan and shutter on HIGH and sort of got used to it by the end of the movie. I think that when watching alone, I would turn off the iris and turn brightness off. When I have a group over, I turn them both on since there is more ambient noise with all the rustling of people, popcorn cups, and beer bottles. None of my guests have ever commented on the fan or iris noise, and I have not asked. If I mention it, then they will always hear it!

I haven't noticed the color changes, and I don't think I will look or else I will see them.
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Just got my 6500ub and did a quick calibration. My comparisons are to my previous HC1080. I am using the low lamp mode and run all my sources through a DVDO Edge to the pj.

The pj is twice as bright as my old pj in both theater black 1 and dynamic. Black levels are about 50% lower, so overall contrast is greatly increased. I measured contrast at 5000:1 native with the iris off and 17000:1 with the iris on high speed in theater black 1. In dynamic, I got 7900:1 iris off and 39,000:1 with the iris on. Still need more tweaking and may change slightly with break in.

It appears Epson has improved the lamp to give more red output versus green so dynamic is not as whacky as before. I think with use of some external filters, extra lumens can be had in the dynamic mode with good colors. With the improved brightness, contrast, and color, the picture really has a lot of wow and pop.

Fan noise is reduced, maybe half of the previous pj. The iris noise is also reduced and now I only hear it when there is silence in the scenes, whereas before I could hear it even with some low volume scenes. The high speed iris mode works great at getting black levels down, but it can sometimes be seen when going from black to very bright scenes. Not bothersome to me as it works really well.

FI is too aggressive and does not work well with most film material, especially where this is a lot of handheld camera work. The Low setting should really be the most aggressive setting and there needs to be less aggressive or better tweaked modes. 4:4 pulldown with 24p output looks great to me.

Handshaking is way too long. It takes about 7-10 seconds to sync when changing resolutions or frame rates. My old pj took <1 second. Sharpness is slightly better, but I was using my Edge before which greatly improved upon the sharpness over the built in processing of my old pj. The projector can almost be too sharp now and does not need to be any sharper.

Convergence is acceptable, but not as good as the old pj. Optics are not quite as good and there is some CA with use of the lens shift I am seeing on the left edge of the picture. Maybe with some burn in this will improve. I also like the fact that the menu can be moved around the screen now.

Cons are poorly functioning FI, long handshaking, and optics could be a bit better. Maybe a bit more improvement on the iris noise would help for some folks. Placement on a shelf does add resonance to the sound and makes the iris louder as well. Overall, this is a worthy upgrade and I don't see spending more money on a pj at this point to get a bit more performance.
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Well... Got my replacement 6500 in yesterday and opened it up and just put it on a table near the screen to test it and make sure the focus ring wasn't frozen on this unit. First thing we all noticed it just was just has awesome the out of the box picture was, impressive to say the least. Then we mounted it on the ceiling and turned it on and now it was saying HDMI 1 NO SIGNAL. I tried eveything that I could think of from switching everything up cable wise to running a component cable direct from the direct tv box right to the projector and still no signal from the hdmi or component. I grabbed the unit with the frozen focus ring which was boxed up and sitting at my front door waiting for ups to pick up and set it up on the table right under the other unit and pulled down the hdmi cable from the ceiling mounted 6500 and plugged into the other 6500 and it came right on and had a signal and the pic came right up. Called Espon and the tech guys said that this unit seems to have had a hardware failure. So I'm 0-2 on the 6500's...WTF!!!
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Just a comment: I tried frame interpolation with a Samsung BD-P2550 playing back Moulin Rouge DVD. The BD-P2550 is set to output 1080p and low noise reduction. The 6500UB is set to no noise reduction. I noticed mess ups with FI set to both low and normal. It looks amazing when it works. But then it messes up one frame every so often and makes me unhappy.

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Just a comment: I tried frame interpolation with a Samsung BD-P2550 playing back Moulin Rouge DVD. The BD-P2550 is set to output 1080p and low noise reduction. The 6500UB is set to no noise reduction. I noticed mess ups with FI set to both low and normal. It looks amazing when it works. But then it messes up one frame every so often and makes me unhappy.

How does FI work with 1080i rather than 1080p? If Panasonic can get this right then why can't Epson? LG now has T.V.s with 240hz and 600hz response times. What kind of "mess ups" will these have or is everyone else just way ahead of Epson in this department?
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Well... Got my replacement 6500 in yesterday and opened it up and just put it on a table near the screen to test it and make sure the focus ring wasn't frozen on this unit. First thing we all noticed it just was just has awesome the out of the box picture was, impressive to say the least. Then we mounted it on the ceiling and turned it on and now it was saying HDMI 1 NO SIGNAL. I tried eveything that I could think of from switching everything up cable wise to running a component cable direct from the direct tv box right to the projector and still no signal from the hdmi or component. I grabbed the unit with the frozen focus ring which was boxed up and sitting at my front door waiting for ups to pick up and set it up on the table right under the other unit and pulled down the hdmi cable from the ceiling mounted 6500 and plugged into the other 6500 and it came right on and had a signal and the pic came right up. Called Espon and the tech guys said that this unit seems to have had a hardware failure. So I'm 0-2 on the 6500's...WTF!!!


Ah man that is terrible. Im not sure why Epson doesn't check these kinds of problems before they ship out. You're actually the first person who's been 0-2 that i heard of. My projector comes in today and I hope I do not have any problems.
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Well... Got my replacement 6500 in yesterday and opened it up and just put it on a table near the screen to test it and make sure the focus ring wasn't frozen on this unit. First thing we all noticed it just was just has awesome the out of the box picture was, impressive to say the least. Then we mounted it on the ceiling and turned it on and now it was saying HDMI 1 NO SIGNAL. I tried eveything that I could think of from switching everything up cable wise to running a component cable direct from the direct tv box right to the projector and still no signal from the hdmi or component. I grabbed the unit with the frozen focus ring which was boxed up and sitting at my front door waiting for ups to pick up and set it up on the table right under the other unit and pulled down the hdmi cable from the ceiling mounted 6500 and plugged into the other 6500 and it came right on and had a signal and the pic came right up. Called Espon and the tech guys said that this unit seems to have had a hardware failure. So I'm 0-2 on the 6500's...WTF!!!

Sorry to hear about your trouble, its unbeleivable that a prblem can happen twice. I'm still waiting for my replacement from epson from frozen ring, but its backordered so who knows. How long will it be for you to get a third replacement?
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How does FI work with 1080i rather than 1080p? If Panasonic can get this right then why can't Epson? LG now has T.V.s with 240hz and 600hz response times. What kind of "mess ups" will these have or is everyone else just way ahead of Epson in this department?

I'm not sure what kind of mess-up he experienced, but on mine it looked just like a stuck frame on old 35mm projectors where it gets stuck and the picture jumps around and stuters for a second. Once i get my replacement unit in, I'll have to take some video of it with my hd video camera. its hard to describe withut seeing it, but thats what it reminded me of. I think there was so much movement that the FI didn't know how to handle it.
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Quick rebate question: Both the $100 and $200 rebate call for the UPC label on the box. Is it possible just to give them the number, since there's only one copy? Or do I need to photocopy the label and send a copy with each rebate?

What did everyone else do?

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I photocopied the UPC and the serial number stickers and sent copies while retaining the originals. The rebate forms say UPC or a copy of it.
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Quick rebate question: Both the $100 and $200 rebate call for the UPC label on the box. Is it possible just to give them the number, since there's only one copy? Or do I need to photocopy the label and send a copy with each rebate?

What did everyone else do?

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I sent a copy of the UPC, but the original serial number stickers. It is clear that the UPC could be a copy, but it was not clear if the serial number "could" be a copy. I didn't want to take a chance. Epson may not be as sleazy as some other rebate centers that try to deny the rebate for any reason.
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So I've just watched a good hours worth of BR video on this projector. the black levels were excellent. I was surprised at how the image pop off of the screen.

But the BIG thing I noticed was how bad FI was on this projector. The first thing I would tell anyone would be to turn it off and leave it off! The picture jumps around and it really bugged my eyes (like first gen DLP projectors)...
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has anyone been able to compare the 6100 Vs. 6500...other than the 4:4 pull down(, and silicon optix,(which presence of it is less important for HD material),is it worth the extra$$$ to buy the 6500.....with all the problems I am hearing on this thread about 4:4 pull down and frozen ring......
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has anyone been able to compare the 6100 Vs. 6500...other than the 4:4 pull down(, and silicon optix,(which presence of it is less important for HD material),is it worth the extra$$$ to buy the 6500.....with all the problems I am hearing on this thread about 4:4 pull down and frozen ring......

that Art guy at projector reviews did a comparison and black level and sharpness was better on te 6500 vs the 6100 ...
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has anyone been able to compare the 6100 Vs. 6500...other than the 4:4 pull down(, and silicon optix,(which presence of it is less important for HD material),is it worth the extra$$$ to buy the 6500.....with all the problems I am hearing on this thread about 4:4 pull down and frozen ring......

I had the chance to watch both projectors at my home (since I had ordered both with the intent of returning one). I haven't done A/B comparison between the two, but i watched the 6100 for a few hours couple of days ago and the 6500 the next day. On firing up the 6500, it was clear that it has better constrast and has more depth (and pop) to the image. Sharpness and brightness are pretty much the same on the two. But overall the 6500 provides a more satisfying image (not that 6100 is bad and anyone who hasn't seen the 6500 will be perfectly happy with it). Though 6100 has more accurate colors out of the box and I haven't yet calibrated either. I'm keeping the 6500 and returning 6100. Whether its worth the extra dollars is subjective and depends on one's personal expectations. For me it is.

A couple of things I noticed on the 6500 -
- I felt the fan is just a bit louder in the 6500 (but not really a problem).
- 6500 takes a really long time for HDMI handshake (easily more than 10sec) while the 6100 takes much less (probably a few seconds) which is typical of most displays.

The DI seemed a bit noisier on the 6100.

Sorry can not provide a more quantitative analysis as I don't know how to provide one.
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I plugged my frozen ring unit in again to check out some of the complaints. I also turned the HD DVD A30 to output 24p and it still displayed the same stutter I saw before, so no surprise there, but when I switched to a couple other movies they played fine without a hitch. One was Beowolf and the other 300. i thought the action in 300 would cause some bad motion like it did on Alexander, but the only thing I noticed was a lip sync issue, when played on high FI. Maybe certain movies are more prone to weird artifacts and glitches. I'll be sure to play with it more when I get my replacement.

For those of you who have loud irises, I turned mine on normal and fast, and neither was loud. I first thought it wasn't working, so I put my head to the unit and I could hear it pumping, much like the sound of my hard drive but much quieter. I had all sound turned off so the room was very quiet. I also turned the fan from high to low and could here the Iris slightly more, I'd say i could here it with my ear about 1-1.5 ft from the top of the unit, which was sitting on the floor. In low mode it was still quiet enough where I would have to pay attention to hear it. With the sound on, I can't imagine ever hearing it. If the noise is real loud, I'd consider calling epson for a replacement and see if the new one is better, because I can't see how it could be a problem.
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