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Although these are in various different price points I just wanted to post some screen shots of all these PJ's for you to see.

There is no question the Lumis is the PJ to beat but take a look at the Optoma it comes really close in picture quality. The Lumis has 2500 lumens, 35,000:1 CR with dynamic black with an iris that adjusts frame by frame digitally, Manual Vertical lens & no horizontal, $36,500, 109" screen no gain. The screenshots on the Lumis were all paused.

The Sharp Z15000 is also amazing for a $2500 PJ and imo is much better than the Epson 7500UB which I did see at the show. It was shown on a 108" Stewart Firehawk. It has 1600 Lumens and 30,000:1 in high contrast mode, 1.15 manual zoom & focus, 250W Lamp, 24db, 6 segment 6-speed color wheel.The screen shots on the Sharp were not paused, I tried hard to take them as best I can.

The Vivitek had actually the best picture at the show yes I think even better than the Lumis but it was on a small screen 60-70" not sure the exact size. 800 Lumens / 100,000:1 contrast, manual zoom & focus, Led life 20,000 hours, 28db, 44lbs, MSRP: $20,000, It will street for about $16k. The screenshots on the Vivitek were all paused.

The Optoma HD8200 was also amazing coming real close to the Lumis imo and all that for a measly $4999. It was shown on a 140" width screen much bigger than the Lumis & take a look at the screen shots, I'd say pretty close. The screen shots on the Optoma were not paused, I tried hard to take them as best I can.

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Nice screen shots and very considerate of you..thanks!!

So its seems my next upgrade will be either the RS20 or the Optoma. It's nice to have an Optoma dealer nearby. I am already measuring for my new 12 ft diagonal screen.

Did you get a chance to see the Affinity screen material ? I am interested how this screen material will enhance the digital projectors. The write up on it seemed very positive.

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Nice screen shots Chris. I agree, the Sharp Z15000 looked great for it's price point.
And I thought the Optoma HD8200 looked great too. The C3X Lumis though had a much more solid look to the picture. After a couple of thousand hours watching 1 chip DLP's, the difference in the picture from the 3 chip to the 1 chip DLP's was easy ( for me anyway ) to see. I thought the SIM D60 looked good too.

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Thanks a lot for posting the screenshots Chris.

They are all very good. However, even though screenshots don't do true justice to a projector or its quality, I felt that the Lumis screenshots do have that grandeur feeling about them compared to the rest. They are more enveloping to my eye than the rest. Sim2 seems to have broken new ground with the Lumis IMO. It's bottled up excitement waiting to just get out once more reviews are out.
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Nice screen shots Chris. I agree, the Sharp Z15000 looked great for it's price point.
And I thought the Optoma HD8200 looked great too. The C3X Lumis though had a much more solid look to the picture. After a couple of thousand hours watching 1 chip DLP's, the difference in the picture from the 3 chip to the 1 chip DLP's was easy ( for me anyway ) to see. I thought the SIM D60 looked good too.

Yes the Lumis was great for any DLP buyer it is the one to beat but again the Optoma for $30,000 less comes mighty close.

Just think about it, you save $30K on a PJ & apply that to a new exotic car, that to me makes more sense plus depending on the exotic you buy it will appreciate

To anyone that has gone from DLP to LcOS they still will prefer the RS20 imo and again it's MY EYES doing the judging. DLP has that "hard" look to the picture whereas LcOS (D-ILA) has a smoother look to a picture plus the "blacks" of the RS20 are still far superior, they are "inky" black where the Lumis you can tell the difference immediately. The Lumis has a more "pop" to the image no doubt but movies in general do not require so much pop and the RS20 has enough pop with greater depth because of it's superior blacks.

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Just think about it, you save $30K on a PJ & apply that to a new exotic car, that to me makes more sense plus depending on the exotic you buy it will appreciate

Well, by buying a Nissan 350 Z instead, I saved enough for any projector I want, a 1200 bottle wine cellar and early retirement!!

Seriously though, just about every projector I saw at CES looked great for it's price point! Projectors have come a long way in the last few years across the board!

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Seriously though, just about every projector I saw at CES looked great for it's price point! Projectors have come a long way in the last few years across the board!
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Yes, it's great to see that some companies are still pushing the envelope of projector quality in these hard economic times. Companies like Sim2 have truly seemed to push themselves to make these things perform better and better, and have attracted much attention in the upper end. Optoma has pushed the envelope with it's price/performance. We truly are spoiled and don't even know it!!

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Yes, it's great to see that some companies are still pushing the envelope of projector quality in these hard economic times. Companies like Sim2 have truly seemed to push themselves to make these things perform better and better, and have attracted much attention in the upper end. Optoma has pushed the envelope with it's price/performance. We truly are spoiled and don't even know it!!

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Yeah it's amazing what Sim2 has done. The core DLP chip technology has been looking a little long in the tooth but Sim2 has shown that there was a lot of untapped potential and now they have taken it to another level.
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I liked the Sharp as well, but with two caveats... blacks were aided by the Firehawk screen, and I thought rainbows were more prominent than on my Sharp XV-Z3000. Don't know what colorwheel speed was.

I talked to the representative and he said that Sharp was putting it's toe back in the front projector market, that they had previously made high-end models but those buyers were now all buying flat panel TV's and they were hoping a low end model would sell well...

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I liked the Sharp as well, but with two caveats... blacks were aided by the Firehawk screen, and I thought rainbows were more prominent than on my Sharp XV-Z3000. Don't know what colorwheel speed was.

I talked to the representative and he said that Sharp was putting it's toe back in the front projector market, that they had previously made high-end models but those buyers were now all buying flat panel TV's and they were hoping a low end model would sell well...

I had a nice conversation with 2 people at the Sharp booth. They are re-entering the PJ market with a bang, their next project is already in the works but couldn't say much, we do know that it's a 3-chipper for around $25K maybe even $20K by the time it's out but the beauty of this is that it will be all Sharp from the ground on up unlike this lower end model they oem'd for the time being and we know what Sharp can do when they get working on PJ's, I've owned several of them.

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Thank you for your report.

Were these demos with Poor mans CIH or an anamorphic lens?
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Thank you for your report.

Were these demos with Poor mans CIH or an anamorphic lens?

Only the Sharp & the Optoma had an anamorphic lens.

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