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post #121 of 2424 Old 09-09-2009, 01:27 AM
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Hello,

any news or reviews about the W6000 light canon?

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AV distributor Starin Marketing got the first shipment (25) of the new W6000's in on Tuesday, according to BenQ.

Of course, they won't sell directly to the public, but this means that by the end of next week, the W6000 will be in stock at the forum's sponsors, IMO.

Hang in there.

The wait will soon be over.
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I just received it, I'll run a few tests. Hopefully someone more experienced than myself will post a detailed review.
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I just received it, I'll run a few tests. Hopefully someone more experienced than myself will post a detailed review.

If nothing else, you will satisfy many temporarily with unboxing pictures
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Here are a few photos...Of course the wife had to loose the battery charger for the camera...
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That actually looks a surprisingly lot different than the W5000

See what an anamorphoscopic lens can do, see movies the way they were meant to be seen
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I just received it, I'll run a few tests. Hopefully someone more experienced than myself will post a detailed review.

Welcome to AVS!

Thanks for the pics. I like the lettering on the box. At least Ben thinks it is primarily a "Home Theater Projector". Sure looks to be the case, not a small portable presentation pj. Another indication might be the lettering of the inputs on the back for either table mount or ceiling.

Now get it mounted and do a full calibration. We expect a report in the next 24 hours. Kidding, of course. Congrats on the first to score one of these.

I have high hopes for this new unit. With a bias towards DLP vs. LCD and a need for either a zero offset or lens shift along with a short throw lens the search for a replacement for my 4 year old Ben PE-7700 has been frustrating.

Look forward to all the reviews.

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Hope art does not mind me posting this, I went ahead and asked art. He might have a blog up later tonight with first impressions.

He said he got 1061 calibrated lumens.

Said the black level is improved over the 5000, said it and the Sony W15 (i think thats the new model) are close in black level, said the sony is being revealed today at cedia. He compared it being close to the 6500ub in black level although he said the 6500 might be a bit better. Still at 1032 lumens, approaching the 6500ub in black levels is pretty damn good.

1032 lumens, with black levels close to 6500ub, is quite impressive. I believe art values the black levels of the epson 6500ub highly, just behind the jvc line. ANd he did say the black levels between the w6000 and Sony HW15 are about equal, and in his HW15 review, he said on some scenes the HW15 can just barely beat the 6500ub, these units come down to dynamic iris, but as a whole the 6500ub is still as he feels the best overall, and the HW15, and W6000 are a toss up, some scenes one is better then the other due to the dynamic iris. His one complaint was he noticed the dynamic iris, i didnt think he complained at all about the w5000, but he did say he had a preproduction unit, and hopes its fixed.

Im curious does it have a manual iris as well so you can further improve black level?
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if at colder temp without green push we can get 1500lumens then wow
but I agree descent black level is needed
dlp is helped by its ansi still 2x roughly on avge that of lcos-lcd
gives the shininess intra image
mine arrives tomorrow pff...
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Hope art does not mind me posting this, I went ahead and asked art. He might have a blog up later tonight with first impressions.

He said he got 1061 calibrated lumens.

Said the black level is improved over the 5000, said it and the Sony W15 (i think thats the new model) are close in black level, said the sony is being revealed today at cedia. He compared it being close to the 6500ub in black level although he said the 6500 might be a bit better. Still at 1032 lumens, approaching the 6500ub in black levels is pretty damn good.

1032 lumens, with black levels close to 6500ub, is quite impressive. I believe art values the black levels of the epson 6500ub highly, just behind the jvc line. ANd he did say the black levels between the w6000 and Sony HW15 are about equal, and in his HW15 review, he said on some scenes the HW15 can just barely beat the 6500ub, these units come down to dynamic iris, but as a whole the 6500ub is still as he feels the best overall, and the HW15, and W6000 are a toss up, some scenes one is better then the other due to the dynamic iris.

Did he say, was that 1000 Lumens and HW15 black levels with the same config or is one with the manual iris open and the other closed?

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The Canadian dealer where I bought my BenQ W10000 sent me an e-mail announcing the W6000 ( replacing the W20000 ) at $2999. CDN. That's $600 less than I paid for my W10K so I expect it will be cheaper in the USA. It also said there will be a W1000 to replace the W5000 but didn't list a price.
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The Canadian dealer where I bought my BenQ W10000 sent me an e-mail announcing the W6000 ( replacing the W20000 ) at _____. That's $600 less than I paid for my W10K so I expect it will be cheaper in the USA. It also said there will be a W1000 to replace the W5000 but didn't list a price.

Yes, That same dealer (I assume) mentioned they have been told to market the w6000 as a replacement for the w20000 and the w1000 as a replacement for the w5000. (I guess the w30000 will be in a class of its own for BenQ)

So After months of following the w6000, I went ahead and ordered one . . .

I'm just worried my carada 1.4 gain screen will "glow" with the apparently high calibrated lumens . . . . .

My Epson 720p has been great, but its time to upgrade!!
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The Canadian dealer where I bought my BenQ W10000 sent me an e-mail announcing the W6000 ( replacing the W20000 ) at $2999. CDN. That's $600 less than I paid for my W10K so I expect it will be cheaper in the USA. It also said there will be a W1000 to replace the W5000 but didn't list a price.

The W20000 is being replaced by the W30000, which is an LED unit. The W6000 replaces the W5000. And the W1000 is a new entry level 1080p unit aimed at the new Optoma HD20 and Vivitek H1080FD at $1,000 MSRP
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Yes, That same dealer (I assume) mentioned they have been told to market the w6000 as a replacement for the w20000 and the w1000 as a replacement for the w5000. (I guess the w30000 will be in a class of its own for BenQ)

So After months of following the w6000, I went ahead and ordered one . . .

I'm just worried my carada 1.4 gain screen will "glow" with the apparently high calibrated lumens . . . . .

My Epson 720p has been great, but its time to upgrade!!

Carada's 1.4 is closer to 1.0 than 1.4 really- in either case, it should look good.

I don't see why they'd use the same numbering scheme and line up the products that way.

Judging by the positive feedback of the W6000, hopefully the W30000 turns out to be a killer.
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Did he say, was that 1000 Lumens and HW15 black levels with the same config or is one with the manual iris open and the other closed?

I believe it was with 1061 lumens he got that black level. He never mentioned closing the iris, again does it even have a manual iris? His entire email to me he stated he will refer to best mode.

After he mentioned best mode his numbers were as follows, 1061 lumens calibrated, and then he went on to discuss the black levels being comparable to HW15 and right near the 6500ub black levels. He said blacks were definately better then the w5000.
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I just received it, I'll run a few tests. Hopefully someone more experienced than myself will post a detailed review.


Hello Gringuito, what are your feelings ?

And what about audible noise ?

What were your previous projectors ?

Thanks !

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Any news guys'My concern is the specs say 34dec on noise.I see it is in stock now.
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Is this 6000 at CEDIA?

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I believe it was with 1061 lumens he got that black level. He never mentioned closing the iris, again does it even have a manual iris? His entire email to me he stated he will refer to best mode.

After he mentioned best mode his numbers were as follows, 1061 lumens calibrated, and then he went on to discuss the black levels being comparable to HW15 and right near the 6500ub black levels. He said blacks were definately better then the w5000.

But it looks like it needs the DI to do it
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Ordered mine this morning. I am looking forward to testing it.
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But it looks like it needs the DI to do it

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the 6500 and HW15 also use a DI to achieve their good black levels??
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the 6500 and HW15 also use a DI to achieve their good black levels??

Yes, and in general, I'm not a DI fan. Although the PJ's you mentioned do implement DI well.

DLP wise, there hasn't really been a well implemented DI so far. If DI can appear unnoticeable, and still achieve high contrast in mixed scenes, excellent shadow detail, etc., then you got my attention
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Yes, and in general, I'm not a DI fan. Although the PJ's you mentioned do implement DI well.

DLP wise, there hasn't really been a well implemented DI so far. If DI can appear unnoticeable, and still achieve high contrast in mixed scenes, excellent shadow detail, etc., then you got my attention

Anyone would obviously prefer a native contrast and black level.

The only poor di performance i have seen was optoma. My w5000 i cant notice the di at all, nor when i tested the 6500ub.

Art over at projectorreviews, loved the infocus 83, but felt it could have benifited from a dynamic irs to improve black levels.

Again i have not noticed the newer generation projectors with a DI to be bothersome. I have not noticed it anyway.
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Yes, and in general, I'm not a DI fan. Although the PJ's you mentioned do implement DI well.

DLP wise, there hasn't really been a well implemented DI so far. If DI can appear unnoticeable, and still achieve high contrast in mixed scenes, excellent shadow detail, etc., then you got my attention

You obviously have not seen the Planar 8150/30. Two DLP's that are generally considered to have one of if not the best DI implementations going. The 8150 has a native CR around 3000:1, and with DI close to 15000:1, and the operation of the DI is virtually undetectable.

Then there is the Sim2 Lumis, which many consider the best current projector available bar none that is also a DI equiped DLP, but that unit is in a MUCH higher price range.
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From a Taiwan HD forum, users comparing the optoma 8200 to the w6000

(thanks to google translation of course)

http://74.125.127.132/translate_c?hl...xyKJWDD4LUivtQ

"the biggest drawback (of the w6000) is probably the color wheel speed is too slow, which is fatal to the price band , the color wheel speed should be one of the indicators of potential buyers addition, holds many lessons for the time point of introduction of the non-120Hz models, but this price band, a bit unfortunate ... "

"contrast: HD82 wins, a better level of depth of field, dark field unwelcome

Brightness: W6000 wins, glossy eye-catching, bright and vibrant scene

dynamic definition: HD82 wins, but still with the speed-driven LCD or SXRD disparity between the static

resolution: W6000-sheng, neat, fresh rainbow outline the phenomenon of

text: HD82 wins, six speed of course, to win over two-speed, the actual viewing visual burden on many, but they do not compare no rainbow effect Vivitek H9080FD

Lens: W6000 seemed to quality Jiaoyou the four corners of the color is not visible for several seepage

modeling: personal favorite HD82

Menu Operation Convenience: W6000 faster and more clearly color

performance: personal subjective prefer W6000 "



"true, rainbow isn't visible to everyone.

but to my eyes, it's visible.
this benq w6000 rainbow is even more visible ........
maybe lens issue, you can see 2 parallel lines.
and lacks 120Hz ..... [thou hd82 so called 120Hz doesn't perform well neither].
the positive side is w6000 is brighter than others. "


This next guy comes along and mentions (I think) its not a 2 speed color wheel -

"Thanks for the BenQ W6000 and above the guidance of color Wheel speed for some of my side with you to clarify the language of the market that we are four-speed turn (because 6 segment)
Non-two-speed ....... "


Now maybe this was a pre-production model, anyway, looking forward to hearing some more reviews!!
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HOPEFULLY, "their" impressions (see last post) were on a pre-production unit as BenQ's main site lists a 6x color wheel - which is the same as the planar 8150 and other high end DLP units that are supposedly more friendly to rainbow sensitive people . . . .
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You peeps are awesome . . . I mean it . . . I wish you all lived on my street.

Should I buy a BenQ W5000 ($1875) or a W6000 ($2800). The ~$1000 delta is significant to me in this day and age. I will consider only DLP, and the BenQs seem to provide the most bang for the buck in this price range. I'm a freak for DLP's image sophistication, depth of field, and resistance to ambient light. In my layman's opinion only the JVC's can compare in the two non-DLP categories.

My SharpVision XV-Z9000U is giving up the ghost. After almost 8 years of high-quality-optics-fueled DLP glory at 720p, the colorwheel blew up a few months ago. I had it replaced for $850, and had just recently bought a new bulb ($475, the SV's third) to boot. The Sharp-authorized tech didn't get all the CW pieces out of the optical path, so I took it back. When it came back with a clean optical path, it looked fantastic, but after a couple of weeks a weird monochrome flashing began to appear after about two hours of use.

I took the 9000 back in again, and after a couple of weeks the tech reported that (a) the unit probably need a new main board ($2800), and (b) he might have cracked a "trace" on the main board during one of his trips inside the unit.

So I'm nursing the 9000 for a while in order to try to get my money's worth out of the new $850 colorwheel and $475 bulb. The monochrome flashing is bearable while I'm just channel surfing (if it gets too bad a shut down and restart fixes the picture for awhile), but it's a real bummer in the midst of a good movie. It doesn't always happen, but when it does it kills the mood.

The W5000 seems to have briefly gone under $1500 in Nov/Dec. of last year. If I see it below that price point this holiday season, I'll probably pull the trigger as long as the seller warrants that I'm getting the latest firmware (2.01 or later?) on board. Or, if the W6000 breaks near or under, say, $2000, should I get that? Right now I'm not too worried about the 2500 lumens spec, as it looks like the W6000 also has a lower, more HT friendly setting of about 1200 lumens.

I sincerely appreciate all info and input, and thanks for holding my hand while I nurse my magnificent XV-Z9000U through its last days.
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http://www.projectorreviews.com/blog...view/#more-479

Some highlights -

(negative first):
"The first thing that was evident . . . . was that the dynamic iris action is often definitely visible. I wasn't intending to watch for flaws, but I couldn't help but notice. Now, every dynamic iris is noticeable if looking for its action. The challenge is for it to blend in and rarely be noticed when just casually watching content.

BenQ doesn't offer different iris settings, only on or of"


(now the positive...)
"More than making up for it, however, is the overall color handling, most notably skin tones. . . . . it looks to me, like I've got skin tones rivaling the better InFocus projectors (which I hold in great esteem in terms of skin tones). . . .

"But perhaps the most significant thing about the BenQ W6000 is that in a calibrated best mode (based on Cinema), it puts out more than 1000 lumens, and that makes it the brightest under $5000K projector around when comparing movie modes!"

"Very sharp image - outstandingly sharp, when viewing HD sports!"


He has a comparison frame shot (casino royale) from the new Sony HW15 right beside the w6000 and, from that crop, its surprising how much difference there is between these two. I know you can never read too much into screen shots, but, on my monitor at least, the extra lumens from the BenQ really seem to make a difference - especially in the whites......
Full review to come later this week.
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[i]"The first thing that was evident . . . . was that the dynamic iris action is often definitely visible. I wasn't intending to watch for flaws, but I couldn't help but notice. Now, every dynamic iris is noticeable if looking for its action. The challenge is for it to blend in and rarely be noticed when just casually watching content.

Is that how they managed to boost the contrast? Cranking the DI up to a point where it's not usable?

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