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Hopefully not, art said he hopes its just the preproduction model that he got has di problems.

Although you maybe right.

Does anyone know what this uses? DC2, or DC3?
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Hopefully not, art said he hopes its just the preproduction model that he got has di problems.

Although you maybe right.

Does anyone know what this uses? DC2, or DC3?

Tried calling BenQ?
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Is that how they managed to boost the contrast? Cranking the DI up to a point where it's not usable?

Guess that will be a main concern.

When you stop and think about the issue, black level has been the limiting issue since CRT pj's have gone off to join the dead tech.

DI is here to stay and done well should be welcome.

I am pretty excited that Art was able to measure 1K Lumens in best mode. My ancient, in practical terms, PE-7700 Probably is doing about 400 with 2200 hours on the lamp. Rather dim even in the cave. Screen is 133". A Da-Llite HP. With the placement of the 7700 the gain is perhaps 1.4. Enough for the set-up to work, with a new lamp.

When the wife, catches on last evening as we switch, due to a technical issue to the lowly 50", but new, plasma screen she comments: "This is so much brighter, sharper and better" , "Well, yes it is 1080P and all that jazz".

"We need a new Projector"....

We do!!

Joe
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Guess that will be a main concern.

When you stop and think about the issue, black level has been the limiting issue since CRT pj's have gone off to join the dead tech.

DI is here to stay and done well should be welcome.

I am pretty excited that Art was able to measure 1K Lumens in best mode. My ancient, in practical terms, PE-7700 Probably is doing about 400 with 2200 hours on the lamp. Rather dim even in the cave. Screen is 133". A Da-Llite HP. With the placement of the 7700 the gain is perhaps 1.4. Enough for the set-up to work, with a new lamp.

When the wife, catches on last evening as we switch, due to a technical issue to the lowly 50", but new, plasma screen she comments: "This is so much brighter, sharper and better" , "Well, yes it is 1080P and all that jazz".

"We need a new Projector"....

We do!!

Joe

I disagree that we need a new projector. Is there a reason we need to validate our movies.... Can anyone else but us decide?? Would us have a reason too??? Please tell us the truth!!?? I cannot even speak it's so pathetic...
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I disagree that we need a new projector. Is there a reason we need to validate our movies.... Can anyone else but us decide?? Would us have a reason too??? Please tell us the truth!!?? I cannot even speak it's so pathetic...

Feel Your Pain. I Think.
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Is that how they managed to boost the contrast? Cranking the DI up to a point where it's not usable?

Earlier in the thread, Darin hinted at the possibility of BenQ using an overly aggressive iris to achieve the high contrast ratings. Maybe this is what Art is seeing with the W6000 he is reviewing.
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Feel Your Pain. I Think.

Got laid off work. I do not "need" a new projector.
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first just arrived
fired on
settings (quickly): standard, color: normal, lamp; normal(full power)
DI on, BC off of course, reduce some green,add a tiny red, blue
quickly on a 200cm wide screen
black bars: of course jvc , sony do better
intra image contrast: very good ansi, beats lcos, lcd
lumens: punchy but my SIMD80E is as bright with only 165w lamp but it's UNISHAPE (the SIM2 is very bright in high temp mode with excellent colorimetry (no green push but costs 2x+)

rainbows: not an issue, less than the SIM2
dithering: SIM2 better but good
motion dithering: not an issue
remote: same as before, excellent
look: a bit plastic, W5000 felt more solid

so difference with W5000? cleaner (micro noise on W5000 was irritating),punchier. same sharpness
target: those who dream of big cinemascope screen , 300-400cm wide.
perfect for that (no grey bars)
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Digital2004,
Let us know what you think about the Iris movement.
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ditto here.
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continued some tests, dvd too
quite clean (but have to play with image clarity tools)
good punchy machine. very good skin tones as Art reported on his blog
pure clean whites.
next some screenshots (for what it's worth)
again imho target is people with non batcaves or cinemascope big screens withouth breaking the bank with a SIM2 or Runco etc
i didn't find the DI functioning a problem (except it's noise, in the machine itself)
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continued some tests, dvd too
quite clean (but have to play with image clarity tools)
good punchy machine. very good skin tones as Art reported on his blog
pure clean whites.
next some screenshots (for what it's worth)
again imho target is people with non batcaves or cinemascope big screens withouth breaking the bank with a SIM2 or Runco etc
i didn't find the DI functioning a problem (except it's noise, in the machine itself)

ah ah... Tu lis les Années Laser...

Es-tu aussi présent sur un autre forum ?

Go back in english.

What was your previous porjector ?

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ah ah... Tu lis les Années Laser...

Es-tu aussi présent sur un autre forum ?

Go back in english.

What was your previous porjector ?

lol no just to help the other projector get its image bottom up

I sell and install so there's always a machine
my reference is a SIM2 D80E in the other room ( ref under 10K)
above it's the LUMIS for those who can afford.

this Benq is punchy. the intra image contrast on dailight scenes has a lot of punch, combination of ansi and lumens
"black" bars remain a problem so ideal is via a CH screen

as with the 5000 rainbows are NOT an issue here ( contrary to those guys in Taiwanese test ?). haven't checked the color wheel segments composition yet.
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I've actually a W5000 and want to replace it by a W6000 or an Optoma HD86 (Europe reference)...

Par Toutatis !
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i didn't find the DI functioning a problem (except it's noise, in the machine itself)


If you knew how loud it is would you have still bought the projector. This is the only thing keeping me away Why do we make these projectors like this its such a deal killer loud DI's.... Do you see it working when it kicks in ?

How does it compare to previous dlp's youve owned..( im assuming this youve owned one before)...
I wanna thank you for confirming the noise factor cause I would have hated finding about this after buying...

Thanks for your honest review.
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Digital, if the W6000 were to be ceiling mounted as opposed to table mounted, do you think the DI's noise would be an issue?
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Is their a manual iris? Are blacks that good?
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Hopefully not, art said he hopes its just the preproduction model that he got has di problems.

Although you maybe right.

Does anyone know what this uses? DC2, or DC3?


Panel - 1080p 2xLVDS DMDTM x 1

This is a DC3 panel according to the spec sheet.
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I would place it behind you in either a damped box (not just a ceiling mount)
or behind a projection wall (for instance if you have a technical room behind you). the fan noise is higher than a JVC.

but i have to test it at reference HT sound volume. i first tested with no sound. to 100% focus on image
next will be cinemascope testing in the other room.

again this is a great punchy machine for cinemascope setups.
(no "black" bars). i much prefer it over the Optoma.
the intra, ansi contrast is very good. i think PJcentral should find 550-600:1
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Any thoughts on the W6000 vs the W20000 (last year's flagship)?
Both are about the same price. The W20000 is quieter, brighter(?), and has a 7-segment color wheel. HDMI is only 1.2 though.

http://www.projectorreviews.com/benq/w20000/index.php
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W20000 is not brighter (same as W5000)
W6000 seems to me about 1000-1100lumens at very good colors (skin tones etc)
2000lumens sure with Dynamic mode selected and like an epson, thus a ton of green
W5000 was around 600-900 depending on good color temp you aim at
i prefer colder temps (but NOT with green push, yuck).
6500K does not reflect real life temp imho
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W20000 is not brighter (same as W5000)
W6000 seems to me about 1000-1100lumens at very good colors (skin tones etc)
2000lumens sure with Dynamic mode selected and like an epson, thus a ton of green
W5000 was around 600-900 depending on good color temp you aim at
i prefer colder temps (but NOT with green push, yuck).
6500K does not reflect real life temp imho

It's actually brighter than the W5K, though obviously not as bright as the W6K. Since the 20K and 6K both are DC3, it would be interesting to compare performance between the two.
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How are they the same price? You can get a refurbed W20k for 2500 or so but a new one is still 3600. That's 1k more then the W6000.
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The W20000 is being advertised as new for $3069 at a trusted site (8+/10 resellerrating).
I have yet to see the W6000 listed under $2800.
$269 is pretty close.
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I didn't see it for that price anyways guess I didn't look hard enough I imagine the W6000 should at the very least perform on par with the W20000 specs and hardware seem pretty similar. We'll see I'm sure after Art posts his review.
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Art posted in his blog today that a full review of the W6000 will post this weekend.

www.projectorreviews.com/blog/
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Not that I use BrilliantColor on my 5000 anymore, but I'll be very curious to know if the implementation is the same on the W6000 !

I guess BC hasn't come up yet as few are exactly pining for the extra brightness...
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Not that I use BrilliantColor on my 5000 anymore, but I'll be very curious to know if the implementation is the same on the W6000 !

I guess BC hasn't come up yet as few are exactly pining for the extra brightness...

Think brilliant color was replaced by a more custom option. Brilliant color I don't think is included in specs..
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Think brilliant color was replaced by a more custom option. Brilliant color I don't think is included in specs..

Well that's interesting. If anyone knows what it is, please let us know!
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Think brilliant color was replaced by a more custom option. Brilliant color I don't think is included in specs..

Here is quote from the W6000 specifications.

BrilliantColor™ Performance
BenQ’s high-speed, 6-segment color wheel delivers the best balance between optimal brightness and color,
while BrilliantColor Technology boosts mid-tone colors to increase overall brightness to produce a more life-like picture.


Source http://benq.com/products/Projector/?product=1546

Looks to me they are still using BrilliantColor as before and probably aggressively considering advertised max. lumens.
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