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well from somebody who has a japanese JVC contact (engineer) said that a new model would be coming that would feature FI and improved ANSI contrast. At the time it was said like only one new high end model was coming.
I was told that a fair few moths ago around the time i sold the HD750, so far the FI claim has held true.

the higher end model will have higher ansi CR without a doubt and it could be that which seperates it from the other two models but thats IMHO

I think we will see an improved ANSI CR but i dont think it will be 500+:1 but im happy to be surprised.

Mr Harkness could most likly back me up on this as i told him the above a long time ago.

Still FWIW, as will need TBC

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I actually spent quite a bit of time with the Epson.

Old or new firmware? Reportedly there's a big difference in the FI implementation...
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You bet. I tried hunting down the designer, Alex Kobayashi, in connection with the CMS firmware, but my trail on him ran cold. If anyone knows his e-mail address and is otherwise able to send it to me, please PM me.

Didnt you watch the movie, mr Kobayashi does not exsist, its a name of the bottom of a cup.

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well from somebody who has a japanese JVC contact (engineer) said that a new model would be coming that would feature FI and improved ANSI contrast. At the time it was said like only one new high end model was coming.
I was told that a fair few moths ago around the time i sold the HD750, so far the FI claim has held true.

the higher end model will have higher ansi CR without a doubt and it could be that which seperates it from the other two models but thats IMHO

I think we will see an improved ANSI CR but i dont think it will be 500+:1 but im happy to be surprised.

Mr Harkness could most likly back me up on this as i told him the above a long time ago.

Thanks for the info!

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Old or new firmware? Reportedly there's a big difference in the FI implementation...

New.

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Didnt you watch the movie, mr Kobayashi does not exsist, its a name of the bottom of a cup.

Zing!
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... 24p has its own issues, but I prefer them. ...

Can I make a Poster to attach in My theater with this phrase ??
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Can I make a Poster to attach in My theater with this phrase ??

Why not? I would love higher frame rate sources but I don't think it will happen any time soon.

I was speculating that someone should develop an adaptive FI that only works when fast motion is present. It seems possible to do but I don't know it would look.

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Improved ANSI CR would be great for the high end model. I wonder given DILA chip technology how one could improve ANSI. There are chip structural issues as to why ANSI is higher on a DLP and on\\off lower and the opposite re DILA. Dittofor pixel structure sharpness. So how could one improve ANSI for a DILA. Is it possible that there is a new improved chip? I would think that if ANSI jumped up on the 550 and 950, the press releases would tout the increase. I am asking, not telling here.

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Why not? I would love higher frame rate sources but I don't think it will happen any time soon.

I was speculating that someone should develop an adaptive FI that only works when fast motion is present. It seems possible to do but I don't know it would look.

Again, completely agree with you

Thanks God, The one like Us, will can disable FI on the new 950 for native 24p matherials
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well from somebody who has a japanese JVC contact (engineer) said that a new model would be coming that would feature FI and improved ANSI contrast. At the time it was said like only one new high end model was coming.
I was told that a fair few moths ago around the time i sold the HD750, so far the FI claim has held true.

the higher end model will have higher ansi CR without a doubt and it could be that which seperates it from the other two models but thats IMHO

I think we will see an improved ANSI CR but i dont think it will be 500+:1 but im happy to be surprised.

Mr Harkness could most likly back me up on this as i told him the above a long time ago.

Yep. I almost held off my RS20 purchase because of it...but thought I'd need a projector long before now so I got the RS20. I wish I held off now, but I couldn't have known my project would take this long.

Ah well, it's not like the RS20 is a chump.
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I'm in the same boat. I came across a great deal on a used RS20 in April. Thought I would be done a long time ago but my project is talking way longer than anticipated. The 4 way motorized masking system is what REALLY slowed me down. I'm going to try and resist temptation and stay with the RS20. It helps that I'm not going to Cedia this year .
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HT construction can indeed follow Murphy`s law. when that happens its not the projector that the chump, its the HT owner who feels like a chump when, of course, he\\she isn`t.

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"I would love higher frame rate sources but I don't think it will happen any time soon."

Not to go OT, but why would that look much different than FI done well, by which mean the interpolated frames are "good".

Speaking of which, has anyone ever captured and looked at one; are they sharp?

"I wonder given DILA chip technology how one could improve ANSI. There are chip structural issues as to why ANSI is higher on a DLP and on\\off lower and the opposite re DILA."

I believe that's true for pixel to pixel contrast, but not for larger areas, for which I'd guess it's something to do w/polarization.

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Hi,

if you want, you can order one in Germany :

http://www.grobi-shop.tv/index.php



Available at the end of september.
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"I would love higher frame rate sources but I don't think it will happen any time soon."

Not to go OT, but why would that look much different than FI done well, by which mean the interpolated frames are "good".

In theory, there should be little difference. In reality, there is. Thus, it is the difference between theory and reality.

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I'd like to see those new specs paired with an automatic zoom/shift 16:9/2.35 to one memory system like the panasonic has.

I'd also like to see an optional long throw zoom lens with 3.5 to one ratio.
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Hi,

if you want, you can order one in Germany :

http://www.grobi-shop.tv/index.php



Available at the end of september.

Can't believe these new models will be available 2 weeks after CEDIA!

Had to wait till March for RS1. Had to wait till mid Dec for RS20.
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Right John !

So, to All, Be Carefull !!

Often, all are "mirrors for the birds "
All to get the reservation and money for the booking .....
At last, the vprs wil be delivered when they will be available .... and sometimes ... later ...

I buy on-line only from well known sites and when the goodies are "Ready to Ship" but overall, NOT THIS KIND OF PRODUCTS .... VPR Are too much delicate ....
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Improved ANSI CR would be great for the high end model. I wonder given DILA chip technology how one could improve ANSI. There are chip structural issues as to why ANSI is higher on a DLP and on\\off lower and the opposite re DILA. Dittofor pixel structure sharpness. So how could one improve ANSI for a DILA. Is it possible that there is a new improved chip? I would think that if ANSI jumped up on the 550 and 950, the press releases would tout the increase. I am asking, not telling here.

The chip structure is probably not the issue because the pixel to pixel contrast from the literature for DILA chips is greater than 1000:1
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The JVCs already do black frame insertion.

Of more significance, to better mimic film/CRT motion. The amount of black happening in the JVC isn't really visible, (at least to me), and so the image is more or less static sample-and-hold, or at least effectively equivalent visually (even though black is happening very fast in its refresh). I've gotten pretty used to the JVC motion, even on video games where it was really bad for me at first, but there definitely is a difference compared to the kind of motion you get with CRT decay, or with film projection shutters, which is IMO superior.
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And I also forgot to mention ANSI, an improvement in ANSI would be greatly welcomed as well. ANSI is good on the JVC, but it could be better. And on/off could be better too as always, but it's quite goos as is.
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I feel the same way (I skipped the RS2 as well).

Me too. My plan is that the RS20 will be my last bulb projector. With the CMS working, I am completely happy with it. Looks like JVC has a plan to offer models with some improvements every year. I will sit on the sideline until the "improvements" flat line somewhat.

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No one has seen it yet. Wait till WGR reviews it. Who are you guys saying I`ll stick with my RS20 trying to fool. Your selves or us? I think anyone wanting to bet 50 to 50 that anyone posting here I`ll wait ,won`t and would come out ahead. People posting here are projector addicts. I really don`t care what you did when you were younger. You are addicts now. Face your addiction and quit lying to mama.

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Anyone think the 550 will be substantially (or at all) less than the RS10?

Trying to decide whether to pick up a refurb RS2 or jump at the 550 when avail.
550 will be almost double the cost and I'm living happily with an HX2 right now.
108" screen in batcave, so the RS2 will illuminate to 16FC.

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Of more significance, to better mimic film/CRT motion. The amount of black happening in the JVC isn't really visible, (at least to me), and so the image is more or less static sample-and-hold, or at least effectively equivalent visually (even though black is happening very fast in its refresh). I've gotten pretty used to the JVC motion, even on video games where it was really bad for me at first, but there definitely is a difference compared to the kind of motion you get with CRT decay, or with film projection shutters, which is IMO superior.

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Looks like JVC has a plan to offer models with some improvements every year.

Yeah. I bet they have a production ready Laser powered Infinity contrast 1000:1 ANSI projector but will role it out feature by feature over the next 10 years.

That's why we need strong competition!

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People posting here are projector addicts. I really don`t care what you did when you were younger. You are addicts now. Face your addiction and quit lying to mama.

Dr. Mark is wise in the ways of PJ addicts.
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Anyone think the 550 will be substantially (or at all) less than the RS10?

Trying to decide whether to pick up a refurb RS2 or jump at the 550 when avail.
550 will be almost double the cost and I'm living happily with an HX2 right now.
108" screen in batcave, so the RS2 will illuminate to 16FC.

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I'd go for the 550. It'll be considerably brighter than the RS2, which isn't as bright as the RS1, which I don't find bright enough for 110". I hope that makes sense
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Can't believe these new models will be available 2 weeks after CEDIA!

Had to wait till March for RS1. Had to wait till mid Dec for RS20.

Hi,

IMO, it's not the same thing.

What is really new on the HD950/550, only frame interpolation, it's all (if there are no mistake in the first new from C4H and Cinemotion).


The HD1 was a real new projector and a little less the HD750/350. Here it's only slightly modification, no ?

It seems too it will be the same "box" as the RS10/RS20 :

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