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post #721 of 1121 Old 05-21-2010, 09:21 AM
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OK, for those of you who have had some issues with black levels, I had an interesting experience yesterday. I had been traveling for the week and came home last night and decided to watch a movie from Netflix Streaming. I knew pretty soon in that something was wrong...it seemed black levels were screwed up- everything seemed hazy and dark scenes were overly dark, which I thought was probably Netflix's fault. To my suprise, when I brought up the menu of the 6800, all of my settings were gone and reverted back to standard out of box settings. It took me a while to get everything set back (someone had--13 year old suspected--erased my saved settings) but once I did, the haziness was gone.

Long story, but the calibration on this PJ is a must IMO...

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larrimore -- Sounds like someone needs 50 lashes with a wet noodle.

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Is there anyway to lock the settings...I think you can lock the lens..but not sure about the settings...I think you can password protect them???
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mariokrt64 -- I noticed that you have your HC6800 up for sale (AVS Classifieds). I'm curious as to why (or shouldn't I ask)? You were so enthused for the first couple of months. It's really low usage, too. In the first 7 months that I owned my HC5500, I put well over 1000 hours on it.

I can understand, if you decided that a front projector (FP) doesn't satisfy you needs (or usage). Using a FP is not for everyone. There are a lot of owners who are very satisfied with a good medium to large flat panel display (LCD or Plasma).

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mariokrt64 -- I noticed that you have your HC6800 up for sale (AVS Classifieds). I'm curious as to why (or shouldn't I ask)? You were so enthused for the first couple of months. It's really low usage, too. In the first 7 months that I owned my HC5500, I put well over 1000 hours on it.

I can understand, if you decided that a front projector (FP) doesn't satisfy you needs (or usage). Using a FP is not for everyone. There are a lot of owners who are very satisfied with a good medium to large flat panel display (LCD or Plasma).

Thanks for asking....I am still a FP enthusiast....Once you tried...never going back.....

Thanks for replying to my PM....have a nice holiday weekend......
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Thanks for asking....I am still a FP enthusiast....Once you tried...never going back.....

Thanks for replying to my PM....have a nice holiday weekend......

HC7000 or wait for whatever replaces the 7000 or 6800?
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projectorreviews.com review is up!

http://www.projectorreviews.com/mits...6800/index.php
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Thanks! Pretty much what I expected.
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Thanks! Pretty much what I expected.

I think its a great review. Definately a great PJ.

The one thing that was not mentioned in detail, that I believe CT_Wiebe emailed this author on, was the inner workings of anamorphic capablity with an Auto mode switching via remote. I have been using this capability non stop and is much easier than the PTAE-4000 offering.

For those who wish to watch Cinemascope movies, its as easy as can be.

Great Review and pics look great.
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I currently have a HC6000 and am setting up my ceiling mount for it. Right now I plan on upgrading to the HC6800 in the future. Does anyone know if the mount will sit about the same location (in relation to the center of the lamp) on these two projectors? I believe both of these have the lamp about 3" offset from the center and I am setting up my ceiling mount for this. It is the screw location for the mount that I am concerned about. I am using the Chief RPA mount.

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Studio2000 -- I thought it is a pretty good review too (if you forget about the editorial errors in Art's "Image Quality" section where he kept referring to the "LG" PJ, instead of the HC6800).

I just shot him an email about his statements in the "Physical Tour" section. I took exception to his last "Anamorphic Lens" paragraph. He didn't even chose to mention the "undocumented" CIH, no external lens, feature,

I reminded him of my prior emails where I stated that the HC6800 had the same (no external lens) capability as the AE4000 had (but it was "undocumented"). Yes I did send him an email with the procedure, so he could check it out for himself. Apparently, he refused to do that, since that capability wasn't mentioned by Mitsubishi.

My stock in his reviews went down a couple of notches (especially since I gave him plenty of information, the first emails were on February 20th and the procedure email was on May 24th). BTW, his reply to my first Feb. 20th email got it all wrong (and he stated that he didn't think it would work very well). When I immediately replied with a correction to his "misinterpretation" of my email, he never replied.

I did mention that several AVS members have used this feature (and I had you in mind, for one). If you wish to send him an email to tell him about your experience, send it to: reviewer@projectorreviews.com

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rgathright -- You should download the HC6800 manual from the Mitsubishi web site: http://www.mitsubishi-presentations....t_library.html. The mounting locations are shown on page 44 (the same page as for the HC6000). The screw holes are right next to each of the 3 mounting feet.

I'm not familiar with the Chief RPA mount. It is a Universal mount, isn't it? The mounting holes for the HC6800 are a lot further apart (near the edges of the case) than they are for the HC6000, if I interpreted the diagram correctly. Also the HC6800 case (17.32" D x 16.81" W) is larger than your HC6000 case (13.85" D x 13.15" W).

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Studio2000 -- I thought it is a pretty good review too (if you forget about the editorial errors in Art's "Image Quality" section where he kept referring to the "LG" PJ, instead of the HC6800).

I just shot him an email about his statements in the "Physical Tour" section. I took exception to his last "Anamorphic Lens" paragraph. He didn't even chose to mention the "undocumented" CIH, no external lens, feature,

I reminded him of my prior emails where I stated that the HC6800 had the same (no external lens) capability as the AE4000 had (but it was "undocumented"). Yes I did send him an email with the procedure, so he could check it out for himself. Apparently, he refused to do that, since that capability wasn't mentioned by Mitsubishi.

My stock in his reviews went down a couple of notches (especially since I gave him plenty of information, the first emails were on February 20th and the procedure email was on May 24th). BTW, his reply to my first Feb. 20th email got it all wrong (and he stated that he didn't think it would work very well). When I immediately replied with a correction to his "misinterpretation" of my email, he never replied.

I did mention that several AVS members have used this feature (and I had you in mind, for one). If you wish to send him an email to tell him about your experience, send it to: reviewer@projectorreviews.com

This CIH feature is important enough to some people that, I think, in the Panny vs Epson comparison he mentions this as a possible key deciding factors between the two projectors for people with 2.35:1 format screens....I wonder how he could miss that key feature in the Mitsu....more so when you brought that a few times to his attention....maybe too busy I guess?
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CT...you may need to send the email with the CIH capabilities to Mitsu..I guess...to make it oficial in the next projector release....
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This is crazy..... Mitsubishi has had this neat feature in their projectors for years and they just seem to hide it from everyone!

Why on earth design a great feature then hide it from the spec sheets and promotional material?

Whats up here?
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Its interesting how enthusiasts get to know the product better than the people who design it.....go figure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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Its interesting how enthusiasts get to know the product better than the people who design it.....go figure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

My experience with this feature, has led me to believe that one can maintain an excellent quality Anamorphic Image. CT_WIEBE has given me the settings in November or December last year.

My intention for this projector was to have an Anamorphic Screen set up without a lens. The image is extremely large. I have a Wilson Art 1.5 Gain Screen, light controlled room and the Width of this screen is somewhere in the 141 inch range, maybe larger - cant remember exactly.

I have been using this PJ in low lamp mode and the image is fantastic on this screen.

After I used CT_WIEBE's posting for how to view anamorphic material, I was stunned.

After CT_WIEBE's settings he posted - I simply press one button on my remote called the ASPECT button, when I do this I press a right arrow key and I can switch between 16X9 and Anamorphic called AUTO. There is no long processing that takes place, no need to have it cover my image. You can change this aspect ratio in a second.

As a bonus, I have played with this setting since December. No matter which movie or tv show I throw at it. Even in 16X9, when I change this setting to Auto, the HC6800 intelligently scales it to 2:35 mode with no picture degradation and image looks superb.

This to me is exactly the functionality that I was looking for. If I were a buyer looking for anamorphic without lens, and knew that this feature was present on this PJ, I would really look hard at this PJ. Thus I think its noteworthy to be mentioned as having this important functionality incorporated in the review as I think this is actually a better solution than what the PTAE 4000 provides.

Just my two cents.
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Undocumented CIH as summarized by CT, for reference;

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=481
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Well, the Projector Reviews article about the 6800 summarized why I love this PJ so much. Its strengths pretty much match my own "must haves" for a front projector: Sharp, Bright, Quiet!

Its somewhat strengths mirror my own second tier requirements: Shadow detail, DI, ergonomics.

Its only weakness is at the bottom of my personal list: black level. Due to my absolute requirement that some ambient light be present in my viewing area, "decent" black levels, which the 6800 has, is plenty good enough.

I think that if the article reflected the current pricing structure of the 6800 (under 2K), the reviewer would have been even more enthusiastic.
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Art got back to me, finally. He was still under the impression that picture Zooming was necessary to utilize the "undocumented" CIH feature (as it does for the Panasonic AE4000, I think). So I responded that he was mistaken, and no zooming was required, provided you had a 2.35:1 screen to start with, like Studio2000 has.

I don't know if my response got back to him fast enough for him to add it into his HC6800 review update. But I did reiterate that he had to try it, just to see what how it really performs. If he still didn't get the point, then one of us will have to email him some pictures (one from a 2.35:1 movie and one from a 1.78:1 movie (IMAX or HDTV).

Studio2000 -- If you have such a pair of pictures (I don't, yet), send me a PM, so we can discuss the details. I would have to "fake" it (just show the 2.35:1 part of my screen).

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Art and I have been bouncing emails back and forth. It looks like I finally got my point across.

Look for, at least, some mention of the HC6800 "undocumented" CIH operation in his HC6800 update (he's re-examining the HC6800 this weekend, including this feature).

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Lets hope it does not take that long for the update as for the original review....
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And what difference would it be to anybody here whether he updates the review or not? If you know it has the feature what purpose to you would be served by having the review updated to so say? Will you sleep better if he does it? Will the value of your Mitsu stock increase assuming you own some? Of maybe you NEED Art to validate what various posters of unknown abilities state. Do you need a stamp of validity by Art that the feature is there?

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"And what difference would it be to anybody here whether he updates the review or not?"

What about the people who aren't here?

Just dropped in to give Mark a hard time; when I saw his name as the latest poster in this thread I knew the only reason he'd be here was to give someone else a hard time

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No need to be rude,,,,if you don't care...good for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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No rudeness intended. Really. But when someone hopes for something to happen there is generally a reason, the person wants something. Software fixing a flaw, a CMS etc etc. When I see a wish for a review to be revised, I try to fiqure out the reason for the wish. Its not that I really don`t care, its why you care? i am curious, that`s all. Pretend we are at a bar. You mutter. I hope it stops raining or some great looking horney chicks come in soon. Whatever. When you say I hope Art revises his review. I`ll josh you and say I`ll bite, why do you care? What possible difference could it make to you that he speedily or otherwise revises his review to correct a mistake about a feature you know the machine has? Don`t take my question the wrong way. Peace.

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Mark,

I thought my "answer" was clear by implication, but I guess not.

I don't like it when I know a widely read source contains incorrect information, on general principles and for the benefit of whoever visits there next.

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Mark,

I thought my "answer" was clear by implication, but I guess not.

I don't like it when I know a widely read source contains incorrect information, on general principles and for the benefit of whoever visits there next.

Well said....One of the goals of the forum is to share accurate infomation for the benefits of all forum members.
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Well Art did modify his "Anamorphic Lens" paragraph in his "Physical Tour" section - he eliminated his statement that the "Panasonic AE4000 is the only projector to be able to do CIH without an external lens". However, he still didn't come out an provide any statement about being able to do CIH without an external lens.

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Well Art did modify his "Anamorphic Lens" paragraph in his "Physical Tour" section - he eliminated his statement that the "Panasonic AE4000 is the only projector to be able to do CIH without an external lens". However, he still didn't come out an provide any statement about being able to do CIH without an external lens.

Why is he afraid or something???
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