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I will be another to say thank you very much for taking your time and pictures and bringing them to us. Not sure why but CEDIA coverage seems scarce this year.

Did you by chance get an eye on the Epson 8100? Would really be curious how it compares to the Mits 3800 since they will be around the same price and you seemed to be pleasantly surprised by the Mits.

Unfortunately there was no demo of the 8100. It was on display, but I did not get to see what it looks like. It was a shame because the specs look good on the 8100. I would say depending on price it may very well best the HC3800, but of course I would like to see it first.
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R U going to check out the Sony?
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Matts, thanks for the great CEDIA write up. I'm really liking the RS25.

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R U going to check out the Sony?

I hope to go back on Saturday and will try and look at the Sony as well as a few others.
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Any reports on the E&S 8K/2D and 4K/3D laser projector demo?

Or the JVC 4K projector demo;
Engadget; JVC puts 4K DLA-RS4000 projector in your home... for just $175,000

JVC whole press release;
JVC INTRODUCES DLA-RS4000 HIGH-END 4K HOME CINEMA PROJECTOR AT CEDIA EXPO 2009
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I can't add to much as I only went to a few demos. The Dalite/Samsung 900 demo was nice. I really did like this pj. I believe Ken calibrated it. I need to see it with the lights on, but the jkp screen looked really good.

Sim2 had the led pj running. It was pretty good, but probably not worth the $25k at this point.

Panamorph had the 950 and their lenses. The new JVC looks ok, but was ruined by the rape of Indy scenes.

Cineramax was showing his pj with SMX. The new screen looks really good and I saw no perfs at more than a couple of feet distance. The Barco modded pj was probably the best image, but it will cost you.

I will get a full day in tomorrow.

Are you saying SMX has a new screen?
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Unfortunately there was no demo of the 8100. It was on display, but I did not get to see what it looks like. It was a shame because the specs look good on the 8100. I would say depending on price it may very well best the HC3800, but of course I would like to see it first.

Thanks again, I am favoring the 8100 as well. I have a friend that is incredibly susceptible to RBE so I would prefer to go LCD anyways. Plus ever since I started reading reviews it seems the epsons have always been highly rated.

Have fun at the show!
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Thanks Matt for for sharing your time at cedia.Great pics,BOB
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Are you saying SMX has a new screen?

My understanding is that he is now on his third version of screen fabric. The very first was the Pfieffer Sheerweave 4500. But shortly thereafter he got them to do a "custom weave" that had better performance with 1080P. Since then he has moved on to a second custom weave.
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When is the powerbuy coming for the JVC 25? It might be time to get a new projector..
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My understanding is that he is now on his third version of screen fabric. The very first was the Pfieffer Sheerweave 4500. But shortly thereafter he got them to do a "custom weave" that had better performance with 1080P. Since then he has moved on to a second custom weave.

Great, thanks.
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But it also makes even more sense for JVC to have hand-picked BOTH the RS25 and the RS35, IMO.

They HAVE to display a $2K PQ difference between the RS25 and the RS35.

Otherwise, how could they expect to sell an RS35 to anyone (even super anal AVSers) ???


what is the price point of the RS25?
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Nice 1st impressions and reviews. Did you get to see the FI working on the new JVC PJs? If so, what are your thoughts? I have the RS10 now and am wondering if the upgrade is worthwhile. Any thoughts are appreciated. Wish I could have made it out.

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Matts - thanks for taking the time to post all this information. Much appreciated, especially all the info on the JVC models.
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Nice review Matts,

Sounds a lot like my experience with the JVC 750 at last year's Cedia.

Did JVC have any 2.35 to one material in the demo?

If so, did JVC use the zoom method or did they use an anamorphic lens?

Did you get the Stewart screen material used for the demo?
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Matts:

As most reviews last year agreed the RS10 surpassed the 6500UB in black levels by more than a slight margin, and both manufacturers (seems like all) have optimized existing fundamental platforms with evolutionary changes only, it now seems inconsistent that the new Epson would be so close to the RS15 per your comments after observing both. Both would likely have 'evolved' a bit leaving a remaining non-insignificant gap. As your ability to observe was not side by side, what is the likelihood that viewing conditions or otherwise distorted your ability to compare differences and the same/similar gap as previous exists?

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Hello Matts,

Any chance you got to see the new Infocus SP projector? From what I can read it has a great placement flexibility due to it's lens shift but I haven't been able to find anything about how well the new .65 DLP chip is working as far as sharpness, blacklevel, and CA.

My stuff is old, but it still works well. Apparently AVS finds it to old to keep in their database but I'm still happy with it.
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Did JVC have any 2.35 to one material in the demo?

If so, did JVC use the zoom method or did they use an anamorphic lens?

I'd like to know about this as well. The placard in the pic for the RS25 and RS35 lists "Screen Correction Mode" as a feature. Does that work in any way like the AE3000/4000's zoom memory feature? If not, what does it do?
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I would second the request for more info on the InFocus 8602 as well as the BenQ W6000.

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I'd like to know about this as well. The placard in the pic for the RS25 and RS35 lists "Screen Correction Mode" as a feature. Does that work in any way like the AE3000/4000's zoom memory feature? If not, what does it do?

My understanding is that it applies a slightly different calibration to compensate for the anticipated bias/color shift that some screens can cause. For instance a gray screen vs. white. So this is not zoom related but rather calibration related.
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My understanding is that it applies a slightly different calibration to compensate for the anticipated bias/color shift that some screens can cause. For instance a gray screen vs. white. So this is not zoom related but rather calibration related.


Ahh, okay, thanks for the clarification.
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The best blacks and detail I have seen from any projector that doesn’t require a second mortgage. I was surprised by how much shadow detail I could see. I was not expecting this. Very sharp, not the least bit soft. Very film like. CFM works very smoothly and al though I am not a big fan in this area. If you do like this sort of thing, then it works flawlessly. Best projector I saw.

I agree...it works the best of any I have seen to date.
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I agree...it works the best of any I have seen to date.

For those of us unfamiliar with CFM, can someone provide some examples of what its pros and cons are? For example I often hear it is good for sports. It is supposed to make the movement smoother, or less blurry? If I saw a side by side demo of material with and without this technology how would they differ? And what is it that makes some people not like it, even with a good implementation?
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I agree...it works the best of any I have seen to date.

Jason - what have you seen to date? The people at Cine4Home don't like the FI on the JVCs!. Check out the Epson 8500 thread where it is stated that the JVC is no better than last years Epson's FI (and not as good as the AE3000) and not as good as this year's FI on the Epson or Panasonic. It would be nice to see this for myself. The way to really test this is to put the FI on "high" mode with an action BD and watch for artifacts in fast movement. This is where the 2008 Epson had problems.
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The car chase in the beginning of "quantum of solace" is good to spot FI artifacts. The Epson TW5000 turns the chase into "soap bubbles from the eight dimension". It's actually hilarious to watch it
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Excellent review Matts!
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Matts,

Thanks for the very nice writeup of your impressions.

Were the JVC's all showing the same material? If so, can you say how close the RS15 got to the RS25's shadow detail?

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anything from planar? 8150 replacement or "tweaked" version?

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anything from planar? 8150 replacement or "tweaked" version?

Yes, and what about the 1080p 3 chip dlp viper replacement????
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