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post #181 of 660 Old 12-31-2009, 02:35 PM
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Who cares! If you can't see the sharpness difference in arts shot between the DLP and the panel displays you're blind. Plus you can see the missing stars in the other pictures. 788ansi vs 200.1 and 300.1 makes a big difference in the video.
Really no use following up on this blather either. end it

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The truly sad thing is that people probably believe what you say because they don't know better. You do a disservice to this community by posting things like that and by your blind devotion to Optoma. I pray that people do not buy Optoma products based on your recommendations because they are far from reliable. If this were someone without experience or knowledge in these matters, it would be a different story, but you hold yourself out as a technical expert and professional calibrator, besides being Optoma's cheif firmware adviser. That last bit should be in your sig as well so people can make rational decisions about your motives.

You should know that starfields are dominated by on/off contrast, not ANSI. Art's pictures purport to compare black levels. The RS20 was measured around 300 ANSI by Gregr. Why would you take pictures meant for one purpose and attempt to use them for another knowing full well they shouldn't be? It smacks of dishonesty. You also know that screen shots can be made to make a Lumis look worse than a Panasonic AE4000. If you don't know better, you should not be posting.

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Oh brother, I didn't bother reading, I said end it. lol

I put you on my ignore list why don't you do the same for me.

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Its really confusing to read all these negative Optoma posts. The 82 had me really excited about a year ago, but the same thing happened, tons of posters bashed Optoma so I decided not to get it. Now this one coms along with all its bells and whistles...

Im going with DLP, there is no changing that. My W10000 is seriously outdated, and I dont know what to do. My next one is gonna have Frame Interpolation and afaik, optoma is the only dlp`s with this technology.

It would be really helpful if Jason or some other well reputed dealer would give us some real world statistics in return rates etc. People with problems seem to speak louder than people without them. Optoma seems singeled out when it comes to negative feedback on this forum though.
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My friend has installed 9 or 10 8200's and has never had to go back and fix anybody's projectors. I think most people are not as concerning as most are on AVS forums. We like to find every flaw in a product and point it out. I'm very anal about my stuff, but at the end of the day nothing is perfect so you have to decide what is and isn't important and live with your choice of products. Yes I see the DI on the 8600 work some of the time but I live with it because other than that this projector looks fantastic.
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I believe AVS stopped selling Optomas because the defect rate was so high. My prior local dealer did the same as they stated most of Optomas they sold broke and they had to replace with different projectors at a loss. What about a Planar (8130 or 8150) or an Infocus 8602 instead?

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"projector looks fantastic"

I've been thinking people that own the HD8600 and HD8200 didn't put into words what kind of image they're seeing.

I've had the complete line of Optoma 1080p projectors. Something has changed with these last two machines. The big jump in ansi cr something has been done in the way a projector makes video. The image on these is substantially different, extremely better than any of the previous models. It's just a different type of image and nobody's really let it be understood, we say it looks good, that's not enough with these projectors.

The image is a pinnacle 1080p image, what 1080p is supposed to look like. The image is just so real almost organic like.

It's like way back when the first Sony Trinitron TV's were introduced. You saw them in the store next to the RCA's and Phillips and knew somethings great about the TV, a new level of excellence.

I like the new drop down curtain idea used on the HD8600's Optoma logo when you first turn on the projector. I always stopped to watch the curtiain come down on warm up, cool idea.

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Tom thank you for all this valuable information on what I ordered an HD8600, with my HD81 I have pictures that I found very well already ,so I'd still be happy with the HD8600.

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Guitarman, you praise the pj to the point where its starting to sound redicilous. You sound like those jvc morons so im starting to Get sceptic.
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I couldn't help it. Seeing such an amazing difference from past machines had to be said differently than, looks great. If you ever get to see one you'll understand.

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I feel that Tom is right. After buying the HD82 last year, about 4 weeks ago I went to pay a visit to the official Optoma dealer here in Malta. He told me that he had a surprise for me. I then auditioned the HD86, never mind the number this is the same machine for the European market. I was speachless to see the new projector. Sold my HD82 and now i have the HD86, that is how speachless i was. The DI issue on the HD82 was not perfect, at least for me it was not. And the most annoying thing was the sound it made while working. I never heard the new DI work on the HD86 and the picture is fantastic. For the price i feel that this is a top notch projector. Please stop saying bad things about it if you never seen one in action. And i suggest you quickly go and audition one! You will be amazed, belive me.
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How is the puremotion working with this model?
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I feel that Tom is right. After buying the HD82 last year, about 4 weeks ago I went to pay a visit to the official Optoma dealer here in Malta. He told me that he had a surprise for me. I then auditioned the HD86, never mind the number this is the same machine for the European market. I was speachless to see the new projector. Sold my HD82 and now i have the HD86, that is how speachless i was. The DI issue on the HD82 was not perfect, at least for me it was not. And the most annoying thing was the sound it made while working. I never heard the new DI work on the HD86 and the picture is fantastic. For the price i feel that this is a top notch projector. Please stop saying bad things about it if you never seen one in action. And i suggest you quickly go and audition one! You will be amazed, belive me.

Optoma wentfrom the 230watt to the 280watt lamp on yours. Big difference in brightness power, what's great is they added the second Iris so you could tame it down when needed.

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How is the puremotion working with this model?

I used the split screen to test it and looked at the Casino Royale poker scene with the fast pan. Without pure motion the scene was a mess, turning it on the break up was gone it all went smooth.

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How is the puremotion working with this model?

Both projectorcentral and projectorreviews think the FI is poor.
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Both projectorcentral and projectorreviews think the FI is poor.

On animation or live sports it looks good. Anything else I would agree but that's the same I've seen in reviews of other projectors, so what do ya do. I, persoanlly, think it's the technology in it's infancy that will only get better.

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After seeing what it did for Casino Royale I just left it a factory low. I don't really think about it and don't see anything negative happening with it on. What should I look for?
In the pure engine options I use Pure detail 1, pure color 1, pure motion low.

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afaik, these optomas are pretty much the only dlp`s with any frame interpolation, isnt that right? Ive seen what the sony 80`s can do and I think its a pretty good feature on that one. If this one is equally good, Id really consider it. Someone mention something about optomas being difficult with HTPC`s and EDID. Could anyone please elaborate?
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How is the puremotion working with this model?

Have not even turned it on. I'm funny about things like this. I've whatched plenty of football over the last couple of weeks and have not seen any reason to see if it works or not. I think this is one feature on most projectors that wont get used very much, other than playing around when you first bring it home, but maybe i'm wrong.
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The only reason you are right about that is because most FI systems today Are crap. Once its good, everyone will use it
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I think this is one feature on most projectors that wont get used very much, other than playing around when you first bring it home, but maybe i'm wrong.

People are still confused about the real use of this feature. For 24p film this will always be cr** (as Ballis has noted). For sports the use is not so dramatic as it is mostly 60i or 50i (Europe etc.) and the effect of motion compensation isn't so dramatic anyways.

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I feel that Tom is right. After buying the HD82 last year, about 4 weeks ago I went to pay a visit to the official Optoma dealer here in Malta. He told me that he had a surprise for me. I then auditioned the HD86, never mind the number this is the same machine for the European market. I was speachless to see the new projector. Sold my HD82 and now i have the HD86, that is how speachless i was. The DI issue on the HD82 was not perfect, at least for me it was not. And the most annoying thing was the sound it made while working. I never heard the new DI work on the HD86 and the picture is fantastic. For the price i feel that this is a top notch projector. Please stop saying bad things about it if you never seen one in action. And i suggest you quickly go and audition one! You will be amazed, belive me.

I want to buy the HD82 although not you if it will be better option the HD86
There is a lot of difference in image quality between the DD82 and the HD86?
the HD86 has Light Leakage?
29 db is in low or high lamp?

Sorry for my English

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Your english is fine. Seems most people whos gotten it thinks its alot better than its predecessor. I wouldnt get the 82 if you can afford the 86. I havent personally seen either but judging by people who has, the 86 is pretty damn good. Some even compare it to the Planar, wich I guess is really the DLP to get if its got any real support in your country.
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My take on the differences between the 8200 and 8600 are:

8600 has more lumens

8600 has better optics, with options for long and short throw lenses, sharper, no loss of lumens at end of zoom range with any of the current three lenses available

8600 DI seems to work better

8600 Pure Motion is 2nd generation

8600 has more lens shift range

8600 CR can be better due to dual iris

Open question about either is still reliability in my mind.
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Just set up a calibration for my 8600. Was wondering if it is worth the money beings it looks so good out of the box? Will I see a big difference or wonder where my money went?

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HDMI is was tuned perfectly OTB on my review machine. This was a sealed box never touched.

After I tested the OTB grayscal I just turned off my colorfacts stuff and enjoyed the video.
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I will add some more impressions once I have had a chance to really play, but the out of the box settings appear very good. Shadow detail is particularily impressive, I had the manual iris wound down to 3 (I have light coloured walls and carpet). Black levels are also impresssive compared with my HD72i, it is light years ahead.

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"No issues to report. Very little light detectable anywhere but out the back vent, and even that is minimal. There's even less out the side intakes."


Serious possible to put some picture with the pj into operation to see Light Leakage of the left side



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"No issues to report. Very little light detectable anywhere but out the back vent, and even that is minimal. There's even less out the side intakes."


Serious possible to put some picture with the pj into operation to see Light Leakage of the left side



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I can try but there really isn't any noticable light leakage out of the left side, I don't think my camera would pick it up realiably as my walls are so light coloured that the screen lights up the room far more than any leakage...
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HDMI is was tuned perfectly OTB on my review machine. This was a sealed box never touched.

After I tested the OTB grayscal I just turned off my colorfacts stuff and enjoyed the video.
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Tom, do you remember what settings you used, i.e colour gamut, gamma setting etc for blu-ray vai HDMI?

I have over a hundred hours on the bulb now so I think I might start playing, but to be honest it looks so damn good I doubt I'll improve it.

Watched District 9 the other night, it is the best image I have ever seen, just stunning start to finish (more than I can say for the film itself...)

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That info might be in my review thread. I think for HDMI I just used the film choice and whatever the stock gamut choice was. D9 was weird it will probably end up being a cult film like Army of Darkness.

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