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...I have an RS20 in a dedicated theater room, and the matter of having inky black bars or not becomes more of a safety decision. The visibility of the bars, as in viewing 16:9 image with sidebars on my scope screen, is directly proportional to the degree to which the step lights and/or tray ceiling lights are dimmed. If the sidebars dissappear then egress becomes a hazard, as it becomes difficult for those unfamiliar to manuever in such dark surroundings. Alas, life is a compromise.

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Black levels should always trump the safety of those seated in your room. Just remember that their presence there is temporary whereas your black levels are an issue every time you watch something.

Never compromise for the sake of others, just make sure they sign disclaimers and you'll be fine!!

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Besides, they shouldn't be moving around the room during a movie anyways. If they want to do that tell them to hit the local cineplex where that type of thing is "tolerated".

If your room is so dark they can't move, you don't have to worry about them getting up and annoying you in the middle of the movie!!

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.....I dunno, Kris, maybe if I wasn't already charging my guests $18 plus extra for drinks and snacks.

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.....I dunno, Kris, maybe if I wasn't already charging my guests $18 plus extra for drinks and snacks.

Charge an extra $5 for move-around privilege.

This is why I am getting IR / Z-wave switches. I will have the pause activity that raises the light a bit in the room but there will also be the bathroom activity that will turn the three lights required to get to the bathroom
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Maybe motion sensors would help. That way if someone gets up, the lights come on just slightly. Or you could have a blaring alarm that says SIT DOWN, SHUT UP AND WATCH THE DAMN MOVIE!!!!!

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..or no lights, and $5 for "Cowboy's Friend", like Burt Reynolds used in Semi-Tough

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Maybe motion sensors would help. That way if someone gets up, the lights come on just slightly. Or you could have a blaring alarm that says SIT DOWN, SHUT UP AND WATCH THE DAMN MOVIE!!!!!

I would go with "feel free to move around at the local movie theater down the road......."
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I wonder what is needed is a mechanical shutter insread of the stupid automatic lens cover that would allow the user to shutter over the projected black bars at the same position the auto lens cap is with say an adjustable shutter mechanism coated with a substance to reduce reflections? Expecting future JVC modelto dramatically make projected black bars truly black is not realistic.Even doublimg on\\off would not help much. But blocking the projected bars would justlike absorbing them by a screen masking system.

That has been looked into. The masking needs to be deep inside the light path in order to have a sharp edge. That throws up a whole heap of issues.

Also, its not like a screen masking system, as that can absorb reflected light within the room. Black bars that were fully black in the PJ could still be grey in the room...same reason as ANSI is trashed by the room.

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That has been looked into. The masking needs to be deep inside the light path in order to have a sharp edge. That throws up a whole heap of issues.

Also, its not like a screen masking system, as that can absorb reflected light within the room. Black bars that were fully black in the PJ could still be grey in the room...same reason as ANSI is trashed by the room.

I'm actually surprised the Panasonic hasn't added something like this for it's one-touch CIH. Though the edges won't be sharp, it would have a 2-3" tolerance on a standard screen size so that extra black spill is eaten by screen border, but no black spill is above and below the screen.

Of course that doesn't help a non-masked CIW setup.
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you can't put a motion sensor in the room. every time you take a drink of beer the damn lights will come on. what you really need to do is get some chair occupancy sensors. this way the lights only come on when someone stands up.
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Yea that`s for sure. I am pissed at you. Come on.

All I said was the screen shots are not sharp. No. I am not kidding. I use my eyes.The picture on your screen may be sharp, your files may be sharp, but the screen shots appearing on my computer display are not that sharp compared to other screen shots of the same scenes thrown by other RS20s. I did say that screen shoots are no way to judge whether a particular projector is throwing a sharp picture. I can tell you that an RS20 is not a really sharp projector to begin with but it is certainly sharp enough to make many happy.


I have to agree with Mark. I saw a significant number of RS20 and I would call this one from the picture average in terms of convergence. I saw better units than this one. It is based on luck and part of the assembly tolerance. This is the goal of the RS35 to reduce tolerances with hand picked parts and improve the overall quality.
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