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The intention was to post a full review back when this was supposed to ship (the first time). Apparently though that isn't a priority since I haven't even gotten confirmation of my shipment yet and others have already gotten theirs.


Well, that's it for me, I'm bailing on the purchase of an SP8602. Won't buy one without the type of in depth review that someone of Jason's caliber would provide, and I'm sick of waiting. Missed the Superbowl, and not willing to miss anything more. Have been an Infocus guy for a good many years, and wanted to give this pj a shot. But then again, Infocus is really no longer Infocus. Have a line on an excellent price on a JVC RS35, and I'm going to pull the trigger tomorrow.

but I digress......
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Well, that's it for me, I'm bailing on the purchase of an SP8602. Won't buy one without the type of in depth review that someone of Jason's caliber would provide, and I'm sick of waiting. Missed the Superbowl, and not willing to miss anything more. Have been an Infocus guy for a good many years, and wanted to give this pj a shot. But then again, Infocus is really no longer Infocus. Have a line on an excellent price on a JVC RS35, and I'm going to pull the trigger tomorrow.

I hear ya! Congrats on the RS35!!!!!

(Let us know how you think it compares to your other PJ's - I'm mainly concerned with sharpness. I always hear "filmlike" on the JVC's, and for whatever reason, my little brain translates that to "soft")
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I hear ya! Congrats on the RS35!!!!!

(Let us know how you think it compares to your other PJ's - I'm mainly concerned with sharpness. I always hear "filmlike" on the JVC's, and for whatever reason, my little brain translates that to "soft")

Picked it up this morning, and will install it today with the expert help of glenned. All I can say for now is that, good heavens, it's a gorgeous piece of gear! Sure does make my SP7210 look cheap. Should be able to post my thoughts on sharpness, color accuracy and brightness (my 10' wide screen needs a real light cannon, which was one of the strong points of my 7210) by this evening.

but I digress......
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Picked it up this morning, and will install it today with the expert help of glenned. All I can say for now is that, good heavens, it's a gorgeous piece of gear! Sure does make my SP7210 look cheap. Should be able to post my thoughts on sharpness, color accuracy and brightness (my 10' wide screen needs a real light cannon, which was one of the strong points of my 7210) by this evening.

Start a new thread so we can find you easily. Congrats.
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...(Let us know how you think it compares to your other PJ's - I'm mainly concerned with sharpness. I always hear "filmlike" on the JVC's, and for whatever reason, my little brain translates that to "soft")

It's installed and calibrated, thanks to the patience and skill of glenned. While I won't bog down an Infocus thread with details on a JVC pj, I'll just say that I'm blown away by the image that the RS35 projects. It is razor sharp, surprisingly bright (glenned measured the output at 14 FL), skin tones are amazing, and it produces the most three dimensional image I've ever seen. I can't believe that there's anything better than this pj at the price...

but I digress......
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Glad to hear your comments on sharpness.

.....but yeah, probably time to move additional comments to the JVC thread.
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As a new owner of th SP8602 I would like to impart my impressions to those who have been following the release of this unit. I have about 5 hrs on it now. I knew this thing was big but its still a shock when you first take it out of the box, especially when its on the ceiling!

It is installed on a white ceiling 14' from a 100" diag mat white screen. Feed from a blue ray player with 30' HDMI cable.

Previously had a Sharp M20X DLP and for all its faults the most annoying was that it was loud so that was a big concern for this unit. Well when I first turned it on the fan kicks into high and I was somewhat dismayed at the sound level. However after a few seconds it fall back to a low setting which is much more acceptable. One can still hear it from the seating position but its low a low pitch and not distracting.

On low power its plenty bright with very good black level compared to my Sharp projector. I have the dynamic iris engaged and find it operates seamlessly with no noise. I calibrated it by eye using DVE and found the adjustments well behaved. The colors appeared somewhat oversaturated so I reduced the RGB gains. Otherwise the colors and skin tones look very good at least to my untrained eye. Without going into a service menu you can adjust individual bias and gain for R,G,B.
There is a glow ring around the front of the lens that can be disabled through the menu. Light uniformity is good across the screen and its vey sharp edge to edge. Individual DMD mirrors are clearly visible upon close inspection. Idid have some CA on the bottom right corner but I am using the maximum offset so this may have contributed to it. You can adjust the color wheel from 4X to 6x or have it adjust to 6x automatically for video sources.

Overall I'm a happy camper.

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Good!

What's the difference between 4X and 6X color wheel in the image?

It's very "razor"?
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Raising the color wheel speed especially to 6 should produce a higher pitch whine from the machine which may be bothersome. It was on a Marantz I once owned.big difference in sound between 5x and 6x. The advantage in going higher is reducing the probabilty of seeing rainbows. If you don`t see rainbows, set it to 4x or 5x. Of course if the sound doesn`t bother you, you can go to 6x. that is it. The whine is not associated with fan noise. It is on top of it as the frequency of the whine due to the rapid spinning of the wheel is much higher.

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The color should be better with 4X color wheel speed?
Should be more time for every segment of color wheel , or not?

Sorry for my English...
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I don`t think that`s correct but maybe some expert here might know.

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The color should be better with 4X color wheel speed?
Should be more time for every segment of color wheel , or not?

The speed of the color wheel affects only our ability to see color separation artifacts. It has no effect on color accuracy. The design of the filters on the wheel would do that.

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Thanks Tom. That is what I thought

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Ok , thanks...

When an accurate review from AVS???
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As a new owner of th SP8602 I would like to impart my impressions to those who have been following the release of this unit. I have about 5 hrs on it now. I knew this thing was big but its still a shock when you first take it out of the box, especially when its on the ceiling!

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On low power its plenty bright with very good black level compared to my Sharp projector. I have the dynamic iris engaged and find it operates seamlessly with no noise. I calibrated it by eye using DVE and found the adjustments well behaved. The colors appeared somewhat oversaturated so I reduced the RGB gains. Otherwise the colors and skin tones look very good at least to my untrained eye. Without going into a service menu you can adjust individual bias and gain for R,G,B.
There is a glow ring around the front of the lens that can be disabled through the menu. Light uniformity is good across the screen and its vey sharp edge to edge. Individual DMD mirrors are clearly visible upon close inspection. Idid have some CA on the bottom right corner but I am using the maximum offset so this may have contributed to it. You can adjust the color wheel from 4X to 6x or have it adjust to 6x automatically for video sources.

Overall I'm a happy camper.

Joe

Glad to see other people are starting to get their units!

I am new to projectors (only ever watched them, never owned one) until now. I was wondering a few things that maybe you could help me out with.

Where do you change the power level at? I think I am just missing it in the menu, but I havent yet been able to find it.

Also, I just tried to calibrate mine with the Spears and Munsil disc (bluray) and I was having a hell of a time with it. I think it was because the bluray player was overr riding the settings of the projector. I say this because when I tried to change the constrast and brightness, it would change but it wouldnt really change a with a whole lot of effect. But when I used the blue ray video settings to change the white and black levels, I was able to yield the results I needed for a proper cal, and all settings on the projector remained at default. Does yours do this as well, or is it probably a setting on my bluray player?

Lastly, where are you finding the color wheel speed setting?

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Lamp power level and Color Wheel Refresh is in the set up menu (gear icon). There is a down arrow at the bottom of that menu to allow you to scroll down to additional items. You might have not have seen this. Look for Lamp High Power and 5 items below is the color wheel speed adjustment.
Some menu items may be grayed out depending if you are sourcing via HDMI or component.

I have not used the Spears and Munsil disc so I cannot comment on any peculiarities. Using Digital Video Essentials (BlueRay) I foud that brightness and contrast needed only minor adjustments.

Good Luck.

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There is the way to adjust RGB level for calibration and gamma for 10 level? or need to enter in service menu?

P.S.: How can access to the service menu?
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Ok , thanks...

When an accurate review from AVS???

Yes from Jason and it would also be good to get one from cine4home and/or Greg Rogers.
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Good...

I want to change my EPSON TW5000 with this InFocus. I want to understand if the system of "interpolation frame" is better or worst.

I hope that the optical of SP8602 is good enough for 0,65" dmd.
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Another question....

It's true that this SP8602 is entirely made by InFocus and not by "Delta"?
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The color should be better with 4X color wheel speed?
Should be more time for every segment of color wheel , or not?

Not related to color accuracy, but 4x refresh rate does offer advantages over faster refresh rates:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=250
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Ok... In fact the 0,65" is faster than 0,95"....
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Ok... In fact the 0,65" is faster than 0,95"....

???. If you're referencing the link in my prior post, ignore the message Bob Williams was responding to, where the size of the DMD is mentioned, and the speed of the controller chip. The info there may be specific only to the 768p chips.

The point was supposed to be that 4x color wheels offer some advantages over 5x or 6x wheels in areas of bit depth and motion artifacts.
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Thanks , i understand... I don't speak english very well...
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Thanks , i understand... I don't speak english very well...


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I am not sure what you mean by "10 level". I do not have the code t enter the service menu.
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On the box it indicates designed in Oregon (USA) - assembled in China.
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@ HiHoStevo

Thanks... I really understand.


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10 level refers to greyscale: 0 ire , 10 ire ... 90 ire , 100 ire
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I think I'm missing something here. Is the service menu different from the regular menu? How do I access this menu?

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I am new to projectors (only ever watched them, never owned one) until now. I was wondering a few things that maybe you could help me out with.

Messing around in the Service Menu can be hazardous to your projector.
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