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Fraisa,

Just curious, What are those little speakers high on the wall for?

Probably a 7.2 setup with front height channel or a 9.2 setup with front height channel and surround backs I'm guessing
If he has the 11.2 capable Denon 4311, he could also opt to add the front wide channel, but then he would have a problem with the door on the right hand side of the pic
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Forgot to add: Fraisa, those pics are indeed impressive given the amount of ambient light involved.
Is this the BD's main strong point?
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Tx much for making those measurements! If I convert to lumens, I get the same for both screen sizes (which of course SHOULD be true): in best mode, this is ~ 575 lumens in low lamp, and 768 in high lamp.

That is right. I should have noted that I used a closest throw modifier of about a 10% increase to make Art's mid-zoom
numbers be closest throw, which is why 700 lumens in best mode becomes about 770. It would decrease about 10% for mid-zoom, or 20% for farthest throw.

Also, I'm not sure how much exact light you lose in 3D for the Mits, but assuming around 70% to 80% lumen loss with the glasses on, it might even be big enough for 130" with an HP 2.4 gain screen mounted at closest throw in a dynamic like mode (semi-accurate non-best mode), at least until the lamp gets some wear. The problem as always becomes having a ridiculously bright and unwatchable 2D image just to get 3D brighter.

So far it seems like the ideas to handle this "too bright for 2d" problem are:

1) Buy a smaller tripod gain screen (like 100" or less) and put it in front of your regular screen when you wish to watch 3d.
2) Switch from shelf mounting back to high ceiling mount to reduce gain with the HP screen when ceiling mounted.
3) Maybe an ND filter, but some people said they don't like it
4) Of course the IRIS helps some eventually, but it won't compensate down enough for 2.2 gain, that's too much gain for 2D at first


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Forgot to add: Fraisa, those pics are indeed impressive given the amount of ambient light involved.
Is this the BD's main strong point?

Yes and No
One strong point is that its awesome in ambient light
the next strong point is that it reduces light scatter and eliminates the need for masking
Paired with the Mits HC9000
Its 2 pcs projection at its finest
that much light you couldnt get that great of a picture with a flat panel,
all the glare would drive you nuts
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Fraisa,

Just curious, What are those little speakers high on the wall for?

yamaha aventage receiver that supports yamaha presence channel
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yamaha aventage receiver that supports yamaha presence channel

d'oh, forgot about the Yamaha as another possibility
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We now have pricing for the Advanced version of the HC9000D.

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We now have pricing for the Advanced version of the HC9000D.

Please email, my cell is still down or call my home number 301 570 7617..

My Mits Advanced shown above at work,
shows that it is plenty bright
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With the recent price cut for the HC9000D, the Mits is no longer that much more expensive. Over here, it ends up being 800 more than the Sony, still nothing to sneeze at but it makes it a relatively affordable jump to the better SXRD panels compared to the vw90 or vw95. The latter being 1500 more expensive...

Am I understanding you correctly that you are saying the HC9000D has better SXRD panels than the Sony 90/95? I am confused by that because I thought Mits was using Sony's panel (the same one as is in 90/95)? No? Please elaborate. Thanks.
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We now have pricing for the Advanced version of the HC9000D.

Please email, my cell is still down or call my home number 301 570 7617..

Mark - what is the "advanced" version of the HC9000D? Will it street for more or for less than the VW95?

I would think (hunch) the Sony has a better lens, better DI implementation, and better motion handling. Is that not correct? Assuming the 9000 is the same price as the VW95 or possibly even more expensive, why would anyone want to consider the Mits? I'm not being sarcastic here - I want to now what reasons / advantages some would find then with the Mits. Thanks.
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Am I understanding you correctly that you are saying the HC9000D has better SXRD panels than the Sony 90/95? I am confused by that because I thought Mits was using Sony's panel (the same one as is in 90/95)? No? Please elaborate. Thanks.

He means you can get the same SXRD panels as the 90/95 for not much more $$$ than the HW30 instead of buying more expensive 90/95's.
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Mark - what is the "advanced" version of the HC9000D? Will it street for more or for less than the VW95?

I would think (hunch) the Sony has a better lens, better DI implementation, and better motion handling. Is that not correct? Assuming the 9000 is the same price as the VW95 or possibly even more expensive, why would anyone want to consider the Mits? I'm not being sarcastic here - I want to now what reasons / advantages some would find then with the Mits. Thanks.

Because MSRP on the Mits is now $6,000. Mit's dropped it 2k.
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Because MSRP on the Mits is now $6,000. Mit's dropped it 2k.

Again FYI,
for us in Canada
if a mits projector is purchased in the usa Mits Canada will Not Warranty the unit,
Projector has to go to point of origin in this case USA.
its a policy that mits canada has,,

Knowledge is always a good thing...
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I do the upgrade for my 9000d. There's a new 3d fi and I will check this night the cms with calman.

Sorry for my bad english
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Mark - what is the "advanced" version of the HC9000D? Will it street for more or for less than the VW95?

I would think (hunch) the Sony has a better lens, better DI implementation, and better motion handling. Is that not correct? Assuming the 9000 is the same price as the VW95 or possibly even more expensive, why would anyone want to consider the Mits? I'm not being sarcastic here - I want to now what reasons / advantages some would find then with the Mits. Thanks.


Mitsubishi has the better Lens and probably the better FI. Point for the better DI goes to Sony though. The native contrast is more or less the same but the HC 9000 has the higher ANSI (highest of all LCOS we have measured so far actually)


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Mitsubishi has the better Lens and probably the better FI. Point for the better DI goes to Sony though. The native contrast is more or less the same but the HC 9000 has the higher ANSI (highest of all LCOS we have measured so far actually)

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How would you compare it to the VW95?
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How would you compare it to the VW95?



We have not measured any VW95 yet, but we expect its results to be very close to the VW90 concerning 2D (if not identical).


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Hi guys. Ben busy elsewhere. I agree with Cine4home. I have long been plugging the Mits over several very fine competitors at its new price point. The problem here is that many things are good in this price class and nothing is bad. Based on my viewing of the Mits and the Sony HW30ES, i give 2 D picture quality a fairly large edge to the Mits but the Sony is brighter and less ghosting in 3D, but the Mits is still very good here. Based on limited viewing of the coming Sony VPL-vw95ES, advantage in 3D to the Sony and its DI function, and the other things listed by Cine4home to the Mits. The Mits should be on everyone's short list at the price and its MAP is $1000 than the Sony VPL-vw95ES.

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Hi guys. Ben busy elsewhere. I agree with Cine4home. I have long been plugging the Mits over several very fine competitors at its new price point. The problem here is that many things are good in this price class and nothing is bad. Based on my viewing of the Mits and the Sony HW30ES, i give 2 D picture quality a fairly large edge to the Mits but the Sony is brighter and less ghosting in 3D, but the Mits is still very good here. Based on limited viewing of the coming Sony VPL-vw95ES, advantage in 3D to the Sony and its DI function, and the other things listed by Cine4home to the Mits. The Mits should be on everyone's short list at the price and its MAP is $1000 than the Sony VPL-vw95ES.

The Sony 90ES seems to be very highly regarded for its 2d PQ (which most seem to think will be similar to the 95ES's 2d), and you give the edge in overall 2d PQ to the Mits9000 over the Sony 90ES? Have you had the 90ES and the 9000 side by side in your HT?
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No. I haven't. I think the motion handling is better and the lens is better. I am not the only one to conclude that. But we are talking small differences here and very unscientific observations. I yield to Cine4home who obviously has spent considerable time with the Sony 90 and the Mits 9000D. I concur but not based on measured or scientific observations.

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The cms of the 9000advances doesn't work! Like the 9000d...
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The Mits people assured us that the CMS was fixed in the Advanced. Be sure yours is an Advanced. Best to call Mits and give them the serial number and insist that the person in customer services specifically finds out the answer.

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I'm sure it's advanced (new fi 3D) and the
Cms don't work.
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Also the Sonys' motion handling / FI is so good I doubt it can really be (much) better on the Mits.
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I think the Mits is still too high at $6K for a good 2D pj. I'd cough up another grand to get the 95 with better 3D and DI.
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I think the Mits is still too high at $6K for a good 2D pj. I'd cough up another grand to get the 95 with better 3D and DI.

Ranger, shoot me an email.
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Ranger, shoot me an email.

One way to tell if its the advanced is by looking up the serial number with mits,
Who ever you bought it from can look that up

second i have seen the newer models shipping with the serial info beside the inputs towards the front of the projector on the side.

Older units had this on the bottom of the unit

My CMS is working Fine
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Mitsubishi has the better Lens and probably the better FI. Point for the better DI goes to Sony though. The native contrast is more or less the same but the HC 9000 has the higher ANSI (highest of all LCOS we have measured so far actually)


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Thanks Ekki! What did you means for ANSI CR on the 9000 and on the VW90?

Between the 9000 and 95, I'm thinking that it would be very close in 2D, but the VW95 probably will handily beat it in 3D given Sony's improvements there and that some like Mark say the 90 beats the 9000 in 3D (which means the 95 should really stand out in this regard). Think that makes sense?
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Again comparing against the sony I would be concerned with Projector Longevity
Not impressed with Sony's Track record..
And there warranty is nothing like an Epson who have an amazing warranty program so good they dont fix projectors they just give you new ones
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Sony has a 3 year warranty on its ES projectors. Mits has a two year.

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