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post #91 of 832 Old 09-15-2010, 12:20 PM
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Its fun to speculate David. It kills the anxiety associated with knowing that you don`t know. Not exactly a blissful situation. of course one to say bet a few bucks on say a NFL game or some other form of gambling but here you can gamble so to speak on your speculation and if you are wrong, no big deal. Anyone is always free to change their mind.

Oh, I'm not saying anything negative about speculating... just pointing out that folks shouldn't cast opinions in stone about how these products will or won't ultimately perform before actual products can bear out some real-world results.

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David. You never told us home many times you saw Avatar. I bet you hold the record for AVS members and you might consider trying to get it in the Guiness book of world records. Once was enough for me. And I won`t buy it in 3D or 2D. I am looking forward to Secretariat in 2D.

hehe. Well, I think I'm only up to seeing it 7 times so far... so two hands but haven't had to use my toes to keep track just yet. by far the best 3D showing was at the IMAX in Alexandria VA which didn't use polarized light at all, but rather that form of color-shifting you've mentioned in some other threads. Most impressive: no ghosting, razor sharp, and punchy/bright/saturated picture. Just gorgeous.

1080p and lossless audio. EVERY BD should have them both.
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Well I think there will be bright solutions offered at Cedia, particularly in the $10K to $20K MSRP class. DPI is going to have a 4000 ANSI solution which will give about 680 ANSI through the glasses and that should be plenty bright for a normal gain (say up to 1.3 gain) normal big size say 12 ft wide 1.78. That would give about 11 ft lamberts. For say a 123 diag, that would give about 20 ft lamberts.

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I typoed. It should be 4000 ANSI.

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I typoed. It should be 4000 ANSI.

A 40000 ANSI projector would have to have a skin cancer disclaimer.
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If you have the space for correct setup, just move to da-lite high power screen. Should give you plenty more brightness in 3D mode.
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If you have the space for correct setup, just move to da-lite high power screen. Should give you plenty more brightness in 3D mode.

This type of screen will be especially crucial as the bulbs age and dim - some quicker than others. 3D will be the litmus test for bulbs and their brightness longevity.
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any chance that this unit will be availible in the next month and any update on pricing...?
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any chance that this unit will be availible in the next month and any update on pricing...?

+1 for this question
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They couldn`t show it in Berlin two weeks ago (having it in a plexiglass or or whatever display case), they hadn`t named it yet, and you guys are hoping it will be on the market by the end of October?

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They couldn`t show it in Berlin two weeks ago (having it in a plexiglass or or whatever dusplay case), they hadn`t named it yet, and you guys are hoping it will be on the market by the end of October?

yep, that s the thought indeed
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So do we have a MSRP and date yet?
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So do we have a MSRP and date yet?

In Europe: 4990.-
Release Date: December.

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And another Update:

We collected ALOT of technical unknown details and features and present them in this extra-long Preview (in german language):


http://www.cine4home.de/Specials/HC9...%20Preview.htm


This Projector could become a real winner....

Have fun reading

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how will it compare with the Sony 90ES?
looks pretty much the same spec wise and the mits looks like its going to be cheaper too. Interesting.

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how will it compare with the Sony 90ES?
looks pretty much the same spec wise and the mits looks like its going to be cheaper too. Interesting.


Well my guess is also that the final series machine will be close to the Sony. It uses the same generation of SXRD after all.

Main difference will be a Cinema Filter and different electronics (HQV, FI etc.).

And it will be very interesting how sharp the Mitsubishi Optics will perform.

I surely would not rule this one out when it comes to 2D / 3D hybrid projectors...

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Well my guess is also that the final series machine will be close to the Sony. It uses the same generation of SXRD after all.

Main difference will be a Cinema Filter and different electronics (HQV, FI etc.).

And it will be very interesting how sharp the Mitsubishi Optics will perform.

I surely would not rule this one out when it comes to 2D / 3D hybrid projectors...

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Thanks for that, i will await your findings on the mits with interest, could be a dark horse this one. and at that price could be a great deal too.

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THis unit will be out in Canada Mid Next Month ...
Still in the Dark for MSRP....
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The only thing i wonder is if there dynamic iris is as good as the Sony version? ie pretty much transparent

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The only thing i wonder is if there dynamic iris is as good as the Sony version? ie pretty much transparent


I have never seen a DI that was close to transparent. Some have been better than others, but I have never seen one that I did not want to turn off.

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I have never seen a DI that was close to transparent. Some have been better than others, but I have never seen one that I did not want to turn off.

The Sony one on the VW85 for me was almost perfect, i could not tell if it was on or off, other than the boost to the black level. It really was quite impressive. On my old VW50 i could see the pumping a little but not so with the VW85, so im pretty sure the 90ES will be awesome too.
Thats my only concern with the mits as in the past there DI's have not been so good.

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The Sony one on the VW85 for me was almost perfect, i could not tell if it was on or off, other than the boost to the black level. It really was quite impressive. On my old VW50 i could see the pumping a little but not so with the VW85, so im pretty sure the 90ES will be awesome too.
Thats my only concern with the mits as in the past there DI's have not been so good.

The 85 I saw a demo of while somewhat of an improvement over other DIs I have seen (Pannasonic, Sanyo, Mits, etc....) was still distracting to my eyes to the point where I would need to turn it off. I might be overly sensitive to this though compared to most.

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few people seems to be concerned by this projector here, while it has some arguments to be a challenger for JVC X3 or X7

is it distributed in US? has someone seen it in its not-finalized version?
how would it compare to X3/X7 or even vs. the Sony VW90?
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I am also condsidering this PJ and maybe a less expensive one if they come with a new model without 3D.

I belive the HC9000 should have much of the same quality of the VW90, maybe even better in some areas? Time will show. Personally I don´t like the JVC´s too much.
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It has the same SXRD as Sony, 240Hz in 2D and 3D, a little more brightness (1100) than Sony (1000) but no 2D/3D conversion.
Less bright than JVC X3 (1300) but JVC forces color temperature to 8000K and gamma to 1.8 whereas on HC9000, the parameters can still be modified in the 3D mode.
My reseller who has seen both prefers the Mitsu but I have to make my own decision (I will see the projector next saturday in its non finalized version or the week after for the final version)
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I would like to know if the HC9000 comes with the same function for Vertical Stretch & Horizontal compress for 2.35 setups as other Mits PJs have?
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I would like to know if the HC9000 comes with the same function for Vertical Stretch & Horizontal compress for 2.35 setups as other Mits PJs have?

I dont have that info as yet but Im sure it will.
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Armand07 -- I tend to agree with Murray. However, from discussion on other threads, it probably won't have it for 3D, since it seems that the vertical stretch function is currently being disabled for 3D BD movies, by the "regulators" (I think it's in the HDMI 1.4a specifications, but I'm guessing).

PS -- Vertical stretch is not in any of the new 3D compatible BD players, for 3D movies (those which had them in their previous, non-3D, models). There are lots of gripes about this in the BD player Forum.

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I tend to agree with Murray. However, from discussion on other threads, it probably won't have it for 3D, since it seems that the vertical stretch function is currently being disabled for 3D BD movies, by the "regulators" (I think it's in the HDMI 1.4a specifications, but I'm guessing).

PS -- Vertical stretch is not in any of the new 3D compatible BD players, for 3D movies (those which had them in their previous, non-3D, models). There are lots of gripes about this in the BD player Forum.
Yes, I believe that is right. I heard that was the case with the Sony as well. Personally I would not buy this PJ for 3d anyway so the vertical stretch for 2d would be more than good enough.
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still no price known?
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still no price known?
In Norway where I live it is announced at a price 10% less than the Sony VW90ES.
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