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Direct competition against the Sharp 17000. Its going to be an interesting match:

SONY DELIVERS A BRIGHTER HOME THEATER EXPERIENCE WITH
NEW 3D FRONT PROJECTOR

VPL-HW30ES -- Newest Member of the "Elevated Standards" (ES) Line

SAN DIEGO, June 10, 2011 - Sony Electronics is taking the next step toward bringing the big screen experience to a wider audience with the introduction of the VPL-HW30ES front projector. Incorporating Sony's latest panel technology and dynamic lamp control system, fans of movies, sports and gaming have the opportunity to enjoy unrivalled 2D or 3D entertainment, with stunning images that are nearly three times as bright as Sony's current 3D home projector.
Utilizing Sony's SXRD (Silicon X-tal Reflective Display) technology, the VPL-HW30ES delivers full high definition video including 3D, using high frame rate 240Hz panel drive projection technology. When viewers don the new active shutter 3D glasses (TDG-PJ1 sold separately), the front projector with the 3D transmitter (TMR-PJ1 sold separately) delivers a crisp and bright image on the screen. Sony's new lamp technology enables 3D display that is brighter and also reduces the cross talk that can diminish the clarity of the projected image.
Part of the Sony's ES line, this projector will be available in the United States through a network of high-end A/V specialists and custom installers. Also available in a bundle with two pairs of 3D glasses and transmitter, is the VPL-HW30AES.
The VPLHW30ES supports a wide variety of 3D formats including frame packing, side-by-side, and top and bottom. Only Sony products offer support this range, so viewers can enjoy the widest variety of 3D including Blu-ray, broadcast and photography. The projector is also equipped with 2D to 3D conversion function to simulate 3D video and pictures using 2D content. It also features two-way RS232 and an IR input for simple and seamless integration with third party automation systems.
"The VPL-HW30ES is part of Sony's strategy to expand 3D for home front projectors," said Charles Speidel, vice president, Sony Electronics' Home Audio and Video Division. "This uses the same SXRD cinematic display technology to enable high resolution, high contrast and faster refresh rates, delivering incredible pictures and full high definition on a big screen, even in 3D. Whether watching movies, sports or playing video games, this projector, offers consumer the ultimate theater experience in their living room."
The new projector offers independent 2D/3D picture modes; users can optimize the display based on content being viewed for cinema, sports, gaming or photo viewing. With Sony's SXRD panel and Advanced Iris 3 technologies, the VPL-HW30ES features dynamic contrast to 70,000:1 while delivering 1,300 lumens output. The VPL-HW30ES also supports HDMI1.4a which not only includes 3D support, but also Deep Color and x.v.Color for natural, vivid reproduction of colors. Sony's video processing which includes Motionflow with Dark Frame Insertion and Mosquito and Block Noise reduction and 24p True Cinema capabilities recreates a sharp film-like image.
Sony's new TDG-PJ 1 3D glasses (sold separately) have a matte black finish inside the frames to optimize viewing of projected images and reduce reflections; are lighter (2.1oz vs. 2.8oz); rechargeable; and offer longer viewing times (30 hours continuous watching on a single 30 minutes charge) when compared to the first generation.

Price and Availability
The VPL-HW30ES, front projector, $3699.99 begins shipping in July 2011 and is available through Sony's network of A/V specialists and custom installers. The TDG-PJ1, active shutter 3D glasses, $129.99 and TMR-PJ1, 3D transmitter, $79.99 are also available at that time.
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^^^^^I would be shocked if the Sony can even come close to ghost free 3d which the Sharp can do. As far as 3d goes, there should be no contest just for this reason alone IMO with the Sharp having a clear advantage.

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Sony is getting pretty serious about 3D. I think with 240Hz buzzwords it may just be an awesome projector. Uncharted 3D on the PS3 should be amazing. Now if they gave us a 1080P120 input it might be perfect.
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Sony is getting pretty serious about 3D. I think with 240Hz buzzwords it may just be an awesome projector. Uncharted 3D on the PS3 should be amazing. Now if they gave us a 1080P120 input it might be perfect.

240hz meant nothing as far as the 90 and gosting went as it still had significant issues in this area so I am skeptical how much this will help the new model, especially since it is brighter which will only make crosstalk more obvious.

Gaming is a torture test as far as 3d and ghosting goes. My 40 stumbles pretty hard in this area and I dont see the Sony being a significant improvement, but time will tell. Either way, DLP will still be superior in this area.

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I recently tried to calibrate a mitsubishi 3800 or was it a 4000... not sure.

One very clear difrence between that and the sharp, was the brightness calibration. On the sharp I can see all the greytones from white to black, but on the mitsu I can't seperate between the two darkest ones (same goes with my IN82)

Which is better I do not know...
I ended up calibrate brightness by the lumens readings.


2D is great
3D is awesome

For calibration I would recomend a Lumagen though, then the picture gets really good :-)
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Not seeing all of the tones on a grayscale has not much to do with the performance of the projector necessarily. It is the hdmi levels setting that affects this and causes black crush or even clipping of white on the top. Try changing the hdmi setting between full and limited (or however this is worded. Some times it's black level "dark" or "light") on the projector or bluray player.
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hmmmm

still no comparisons? nobody has seen the pq compared to a jvc or sony projector? I'm looking at this, and i can fit it in my room, but i want some of those inky blacks that the lcos projectors give, and i'm curious how these things look.
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hmmmm

still no comparisons? nobody has seen the pq compared to a jvc or sony projector? I'm looking at this, and i can fit it in my room, but i want some of those inky blacks that the lcos projectors give, and i'm curious how these things look.

I haven't had the chance to demo the JVC or Sony, but I can safely say that the blacks on the Sharp aren't as inky as those two projectors. However, the black level on the Sharp is still very good. For me the Sharp is a no-brainer if you want an outstanding 3D projector that also produces respectable 2D. If I were you I would take the leap and purchase the unit from a retailer that has something like a 30-day money back policy. Then if you don't like the black levels return the projector. I think once you have the projector up and running I think you'll be so amazed by the 3D and the 2D that you'll wonder what took you so long to get it in your house.
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I haven't had the chance to demo the JVC or Sony, but I can safely say that the blacks on the Sharp aren't as inky as those two projectors. However, the black level on the Sharp is still very good. For me the Sharp is a no-brainer if you want an outstanding 3D projector that also produces respectable 2D. If I were you I would take the leap and purchase the unit from a retailer that has something like a 30-day money back policy. Then if you don't like the black levels return the projector. I think once you have the projector up and running I think you'll be so amazed by the 3D and the 2D that you'll wonder what took you so long to get it in your house.


I would love to take one home, but unfortunately they are not offered in Canada by Sharp, so there would be some extra complications about buying and returning one (duty, shipping). But i am definitely tempted...

Does anyone know how low the black level is, say, compared to a Panasonic plasma or anything like that? i haven't found anyone specifically state the black level.
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oh, jeez, nothing on the planet has the black levels of a plasma, well cept oled.
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I think people worry way too much about black levels. 5 or 6 years ago black levels were a problem, but these days any projector you can buy is good enough. You don't generally watch the black part of movies, you watch the bright parts.
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If I were you I would take the leap and purchase the unit from a retailer that has something like a 30-day money back policy.

Don't be fooled by the 30 days, as its the four hours on-time which will limit returns.
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Now that Sony is pulsing the UHP bulb in its new 30ES projector I did a search and found the DLP camp will also be introducing pulsed UHP bulbs. Here is VIDI technology from Phillips:
http://www.lighting.philips.com/pwc_...chure_8p_b.pdf
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Now that Sony is pulsing the UHP bulb in its new 30ES projector I did a search and found the DLP camp will also be introducing pulsed UHP bulbs. Here is VIDI technology from Phillips:
http://www.lighting.philips.com/pwc_...chure_8p_b.pdf

Nothing new about this, Sims2 and Benq have been using this tech for several years. Osram's Unishape technology can be found in some other models as well. Both seem to work very similar.
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Not mini mags. I was really impressed with the +15/-15 simulated 3d settings on this unit. 8 was the most comfortable to me but I did get to demo this with TRON evolution and was genuinely impressed w the contrast ( it wasnt pro calibrated ). But the jvc 350's blacks were comparable. Mht in overland park had it. If I didn't need a tv in the room it's going in I would very much consider this projector.
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I'm considering the XV-Z17000 for the media room I described in the thread below. Can anyone tell me if it's a good choice, based on the room described in the thread (with pics)? I'm trying to fill a 12' x 7' wide screen, or 166" diagonal, at a throw distance of 16'.

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Are there any reliability problems with this model?
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Are there any reliability problems with this model?

Short threads with little posts are usually an indicator that the unit is good, or there are few owners. I find this thread encouraging though I suspect there are few owners. Perhaps that price ought to come down some.
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Short threads with little posts are usually an indicator that the unit is good, or there are few owners. I find this thread encouraging though I suspect there are few owners. Perhaps that price ought to come down some.

Thanks - I'd like to think there are not a lot of problems myself but suspect you may be right.
It's encouraging though.
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Drzy. The minimum throw distance for this projector measured from the lens to the plane of the screen is 1.42 times the viewing width of your screen. This is about 17 feet, 1/2 inch in your case. A throw of 16 ft will not fill your screen.


Also the offset (vertical distance from lens center to screen top) above the screen is fixed. Its a fixed multiplier times the screen height, here 7 ft. Here it comes out to about 13 inches. I used a multiplier of 0.15, I need to look up the exact multiplier.

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Thank you Mark. Am I understanding it right in that, if I want to fill a 12' (144") wide screen, I need to find a projector with a minimum throw ratio distance of X, where (Screen Width*X = Throw Distance), or in my case, X = Throw / Screen = 16' / 12' = 1.333?

I see the Panasonic PT-AE4000U has a minimum throw ratio of 1.36, which is close. The Epson Home Cinema 8700 UB is 1.34. Those are the only two I've seen with lower ratios than the XV-Z17000, but they look like lower grade projectors.

Actually, since the Sharp XV-Z17000 throw ratio is 1.42, that means it'd fill a screen up to 16'/1.42 = 135" wide, correct? That's not that different from 144", I'm sure I could live with that.

I'd really love to hear any opinions on whether there'll be a discernible quality difference between the Sharp at 135" vs. the Panasonic or Epson. I'm concerned if the picture will look blurry if I go with the giant screen like this, but I don't have any experience in this area.
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Is it 120hz (24hz x5) per eye?

Current 720p DLP runs in 120hz per both eyes, 60hz per eye, so 3/2 judder is still there for 24fps source. If 1080p DLP does 120hz per eye, that is great!

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PS: on the JVC with 24p source, it does 48hz (24x2) per eye, 96hz per both eyes. There is no 3/2 judder, but in bright area I see flicker!

Actually the Sharp is 60 Hz per eye.

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Hello everyone,

I have read the entire thread and it is full of great information but it seems my brain has turned to mush

I hope to start building my dedicated HT later this year and have been trying to get an idea of which projector I want to go with. Reading about the issues JVC owners are having has steered me away from them. Sony's announcement of a new 3D projector looks interesting but I would prefer to stay with DLP. The Runco Q750i is appealing for a nice 2D projector but the price is a bit much.

Thus the Sharp is looking very nice from what folks here are saying along with the on-line reviews. I don't do much gaming so ghosting and such in games doesn't really bother me.

The room I have to work with is 13x19 and will have total light control. The one drawback to it is the 7 foot ceiling height. That rules out mounting a projector above anyone's head. I plan on doing eight seats which will make the back row a bit tight height wise but I will live with it. I do have the option of cutting into the back wall and mounting a projector in the adjacent room but that option adds its own headaches.

My other option is to do a floor mount. I have no problem building a sturdy hush box, splitting the front row of seats and put the projector in the middle. The screen I would like to use would be a 16:9 AT Seymour in the 100-110 inch range (fixed). I am very much in favor of using three identical speakers for my L-C-R. I have been putting the sound system together for the past 9 months and have just about everything for it I want.

Would like to see what others think of the setup of a floor mount with the Sharp and my screen choice. Projector Calculator says at a 12' throw distance, with 110 screen would yield about 25fl at the screen (given claimed 1.2 gain). My current setup is a calibrated Panasonic Plasma in my living room with the sound system that would go into the dedicated HT. Just add another sub and purchase another speaker to match my current L-R.

I look forward to folks thoughts, ideas and such. Of course if you want to say I'm nuts, that's fine as well. I'd likely agree with you. )

As far as my background I do have a fair amount of experience in the A/V world. I spent a number of years operating, maintaining and repairing an IMAX theater, along with an entire Planetarium. My years spanned three different planetarium projection systems from Optical-Mechanical to single source CRT and a full dome video system using 6 Barco 1209s projectors. Let me say it is far easier to calibrate, repair, etc an IMAX projector than it is 6 video projectors across a 52 foot wide dome where each one has to line up perfectly with the 3 other projectors it interacts with to create a seamless picture.

Thanks for taking the time to read my babbling.
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Thank you Mark. Am I understanding it right in that, if I want to fill a 12' (144") wide screen, I need to find a projector with a minimum throw ratio distance of X, where (Screen Width*X = Throw Distance), or in my case, X = Throw / Screen = 16' / 12' = 1.333?

I see the Panasonic PT-AE4000U has a minimum throw ratio of 1.36, which is close. The Epson Home Cinema 8700 UB is 1.34. Those are the only two I've seen with lower ratios than the XV-Z17000, but they look like lower grade projectors.

Actually, since the Sharp XV-Z17000 throw ratio is 1.42, that means it'd fill a screen up to 16'/1.42 = 135" wide, correct? That's not that different from 144", I'm sure I could live with that.

I'd really love to hear any opinions on whether there'll be a discernible quality difference between the Sharp at 135" vs. the Panasonic or Epson. I'm concerned if the picture will look blurry if I go with the giant screen like this, but I don't have any experience in this area.

Actually if you're not necessarily looking for a 3D projector, the Panny and the Epson are both very fine choices. If you want 3D then yes you should consider the Sharp or maybe the newly announced Sony. The only tricky thing with the Sharp is its strict mounting requirements. Your best bet would be to use the projector calculator on projector central's website and see which projector would fit in your room.
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Actually if you're not necessarily looking for a 3D projector, the Panny and the Epson are both very fine choices. If you want 3D then yes you should consider the Sharp or maybe the newly announced Sony. The only tricky thing with the Sharp is its strict mounting requirements. Your best bet would be to use the projector calculator on projector central's website and see which projector would fit in your room.
FYI that anyone bothered by screen-door should *not* get that epson. I bought it and returned it and got a used JVC RS2 which was silky-smooth at 1.5 screen widths. The epson, by comparison, looked like a large plamsa monitor in terms of the grain/screen-door noise from the pixel gap structure.

I can't comment on the Panny. But I can say that the detail and clarity I see with the JVC RS2 is light-years better than the Epson, even though they both are "1080p".

1080p and lossless audio. EVERY BD should have them both.
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The Panny projectors have a micro lens feature. I sit 7' from my 120" screen so that was one of my main concerns. On my current panny ae-2000 that microlens really works. You have to get very close to see the pixels.
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Just bought this projector to replace my Sharp XVZ10000 which is ceiling mounted. Does anyone know if I can just swap the Sharp projectors without buying a whole new ceiling mount? If not, what ceiling mount would you recommend? The ceiling mount is model no: AN-CK250. it was meant for XVZ-290000U, XVZ-10000U, and XVZ-12000U and is made by Sharp
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hi folks,

mine z17000 came with 2 pair of glasses. Both of them make a buzzzz sound when 3D is on. One is loud and distractive even when watching movies, the other one is heard only in silence.

Please, listen to you glasses and tell me if I need to return them.
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Just bought this projector to replace my Sharp XVZ10000 which is ceiling mounted. Does anyone know if I can just swap the Sharp projectors without buying a whole new ceiling mount? If not, what ceiling mount would you recommend? The ceiling mount is model no: AN-CK250. it was meant for XVZ-290000U, XVZ-10000U, and XVZ-12000U and is made by Sharp

We sell the Chief line. If you have a chief mount, you dont need to replace the whole thing. You just need to replace the plate
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The glasses I have are silent. It seems odd that both glasses are defective. Another signal from a remote or other device maybe interfering with your signal.
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