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Sharp xv-z17000 : New dlp full hd 3d projector

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#429 ·

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Originally Posted by whitetrash66 /forum/post/20536619


These reviews make the decision so difficult. Torn between the sharp and rs40... rs40 has the 2d performance/black levels i want, but the sharp has the 3d performance/brightness i want. I know there is WAY more 2d content so the RS40 is still in the running, but ghost free BRIGHT 3d sounds amazing too. I would love to hear someones impressions who has seen both. Also, the placement of the sharp is a definate PITA


If you can place it, go for the Sharp.


or buy a pj with no 3D capabilities, then you at least wont have to regret buying somethng with crappy 3D... ;-)


one more thing: Some of my friends who usually complain about eyestrain while watching 3D, have no problem watching the Sharp. Most likely because perfect 3D is easier on the eyes.
 
#430 ·
Any 1080P projector for sale now is amazing really. The worst still probably has better black levels than the theater. Install sucks, but you do that once. I really don't think you would reget buying the sharp for pq. It is a lot more likely that you would regret buying the JVC for 3D from what I hear. Sony is coming out with a lot of PS3 games in 3D and if you like gaming, that is where 3D really can get some heavy usage.

Of course PS3 games run at 720p, so you could always just go with seperate 1080p 2D and 720p 3D projectors, which many of us enjoying 3D have been doing for a while.

There are other 3D projectors coming out later, of course, but that will be a while.

I personally am hoping for a 1080p 3d projector that will do 60fps per eye at 1080p for pc gaming. 1080P120 3D monitors have been out for a long time, so it seems that shouldn't be hopeless.
 
#431 ·

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Originally Posted by JustmeF /forum/post/20539355


If you can place it, go for the Sharp.


or buy a pj with no 3D capabilities, then you at least wont have to regret buying somethng with crappy 3D... ;-)


one more thing: Some of my friends who usually complain about eyestrain while watching 3D, have no problem watching the Sharp. Most likely because perfect 3D is easier on the eyes.

thanks for the advice... still strongly considering it.

how is the picture in the dark? how are the black levels on it?
 
#432 ·

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Originally Posted by wnielsenbb /forum/post/20539493


Any 1080P projector for sale now is amazing really. The worst still probably has better black levels than the theater. Install sucks, but you do that once. I really don't think you would reget buying the sharp for pq. It is a lot more likely that you would regret buying the JVC for 3D from what I hear. Sony is coming out with a lot of PS3 games in 3D and if you like gaming, that is where 3D really can get some heavy usage.

Of course PS3 games run at 720p, so you could always just go with seperate 1080p 2D and 720p 3D projectors, which many of us enjoying 3D have been doing for a while.

There are other 3D projectors coming out later, of course, but that will be a while.

I personally am hoping for a 1080p 3d projector that will do 60fps per eye at 1080p for pc gaming. 1080P120 3D monitors have been out for a long time, so it seems that shouldn't be hopeless.

I know im probably overthinking it, and the brightness of the sharp would definately be nice, especially in 3d mode. i wonder how bright it is in 3d compared to a 3d plasma?


i also may wait until cedia... new 3d projector announcement in 3 months. dammit.
 
#433 ·
"i wonder how bright it is in 3d compared to a 3d plasma?"

That totally depends on your screen, of course. If you want plasma brightness get a good high gain screen. I really think my Vutec Silverstar is the perfect screen for 3D. It is spendy but was a good investment. I got mine from AV Science. The only way I would replace it is if I go passive 3D, in which case I will likely get the new Vutec Silverstar 3D.
 
#434 ·

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Originally Posted by wnielsenbb /forum/post/20539596


"i wonder how bright it is in 3d compared to a 3d plasma?"

That totally depends on your screen, of course. If you want plasma brightness get a good high gain screen. I really think my Vutec Silverstar is the perfect screen for 3D. It is spendy but was a good investment. I got mine from AV Science. The only way I would replace it is if I go passive 3D, in which case I will likely get the new Vutec Silverstar 3D.

how does it look in 2d though? is it still got some pop without greyish blacks? i love them deep blacks
 
#435 ·

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Originally Posted by whitetrash66 /forum/post/20539839


how does it look in 2d though? is it still got some pop without greyish blacks? i love them deep blacks

some of the most expensive DLP's aren't going to compare to the native JVC blacks. You'll have to decide which is more important. I want both!


The RS50 2D is nice, the deep blacks never get old. the 3D is also good, but there are times where the ghosting stands out, especially on my High Power screen. I have the Acer 720P to compare it do and I know exactly what ghost-free 3D looks like. The ideal 3D projector would be 1 with the rock solid image of 3D DLP and the native contrast of the JVC.


I figure the Sharp would be put me 1 step in between the Acer 720P and the JVC bringing the 1080P sharpness along with a ghost-free image.


If I could find a way to make it work with my HP screen, the recent reviews of the Monsters vs. Aliens 'bridge' scene (which is a 3D torture test) would have been enough to order one right away.
 
#436 ·

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Originally Posted by zombie10k /forum/post/20540163


some of the most expensive DLP's aren't going to compare to the native JVC blacks. You'll have to decide which is more important. I want both!


The RS50 2D is nice, the deep blacks never get old. the 3D is also good, but there are times where the ghosting stands out, especially on my High Power screen. I have the Acer 720P to compare it do and I know exactly what ghost-free 3D looks like. The ideal 3D projector would be 1 with the rock solid image of 3D DLP and the native contrast of the JVC.


I figure the Sharp would be put me 1 step in between the Acer 720P and the JVC bringing the 1080P sharpness along with a ghost-free image.


If I could find a way to make it work with my HP screen, the recent reviews of the Monsters vs. Aliens 'bridge' scene (which is a 3D torture test) would have been enough to order one right away.

Why buy the Sharp now? You have the Acer and if you're going to use a 3D projector on a smaller 106" screen then the 720p resolution shouldn't be a problem. I'm using the Acer for 3D on a 120" screen and only when I get within 10' or so does SDE become noticeable (for 3D playback) -- the 720p resolution for 3D is very impressive. I've only noticed a couple of occasions where I felt that a better black level was needed (opening and closing scenes in Hubble and a couple of scenes in Sanctum). I suspect there will be better and cheaper DLP 3D options next fall with lens shift etc. You've already got a DLP 3D projector that produces a 3D image that would cause most here to salivate over. Personally I'm going to enjoy what I've got until better options become available. The other nice thing about the 720p DLP 3D projectors is the cost of operation -- the lamps for the Acer are a fraction of the cost of the lamps for the "big" boys.
 
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Well, I think all of us with Acer 720p's also have a seperate 2D Projector. 3D cuts the brightness by ~60%, so your 3D projector would be best to have over 2 times the lumens to keep the same brightness. The Acer's 2500 lumens once cut by putting it in 3D comes pretty close to my Panasonic ae-2000u 1080P projector.

But yes, one projector that does both well would be much nicer. The sharp seems to be the best compromise so far.
 
#443 ·

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Originally Posted by Michael2000 /forum/post/20545365


How big a 3D image can used with a unity gain screen, and have decent brightness? It seems like everyone so far is using high gain screens.


Michael

I have a 106" 1.0 or so gain screen (DIY using BOC). The 3D image (wearing glasses) is plenty bright for me - my room is a batcave, though.


Just a data point that is IMHO, YMMV,


shinksma
 
#445 ·

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Originally Posted by wnielsenbb /forum/post/20543786


Well, I think all of us with Acer 720p's also have a seperate 2D Projector. 3D cuts the brightness by ~60%, so your 3D projector would be best to have over 2 times the lumens to keep the same brightness. The Acer's 2500 lumens once cut by putting it in 3D comes pretty close to my Panasonic ae-2000u 1080P projector.

But yes, one projector that does both well would be much nicer. The sharp seems to be the best compromise so far.

Yes, one projector would be so nice but seeing as how I can get a 720p and 1080p unit for $1k less than the Sharp unit makes me balk, big time! Yes it is two units but cheaper than the Sharp and 2x the bulb life if you think about it. C'mon folks. The Sharp is a no brainer but too expensive. The premium for 1080p 3d right now. I really like the Sharp but every time I do the math it says get a 720p unit for 3d and a Mitsu 1080p unit for that purpose and pocket the $1k difference. Can anyone explain why my thinking is wrong except for the convenience of one projector? Is the Sharp that much better in 3d than the 720p units?


Edit: I do not want to bash the fine Sharp unit here. I just feel it does not require a new 3 post thread simply to point out that one could buy a very nice 1080p and a 3d 720p projector for $1k less than the asking price of the Sharp. That is big money for me and I have a good idea where my money may go with the Optoma GT750 coming out. That makes life easy doing 3d on a dedicated 2d screen. Pull it out for 3d and pack it away. Put it in the back yard for movie night, no worries. See my point? Seems like simple math to me but I have been wrong before.
 
#446 ·
Well, the Sharp will beat a Mits hc4000 in movies I think because of black levels.

Not sure anyone could say you are wrong, just depends what your preferences are.


I personally would like the Sharp, but the lamps are still a bit much.
 
#447 ·

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Originally Posted by Mikes2cents /forum/post/20549744


I really like the Sharp but every time I do the math it says get a 720p unit for 3d and a Mitsu 1080p unit for that purpose and pocket the $1k difference. Can anyone explain why my thinking is wrong except for the convenience of one projector? Is the Sharp that much better in 3d than the 720p units?

Those units don't have lens shift, so you would have to shuffle them around and re-aim them each time you switched between 2D and 3D, which is far from convenient.


The Sharp will have twice as many pixels as a 720p unit in 3D.


Michael
 
#448 ·

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Originally Posted by Michael2000 /forum/post/20550071


Those units don't have lens shift, so you would have to shuffle them around and re-aim them each time you switched between 2D and 3D, which is far from convenient.


The Sharp will have twice as many pixels as a 720p unit in 3D.


Michael

Ceiling Mount one, floor mount the other, that's how I always did it with more than one projector without lens shift.
 
#450 ·
Get a LCD projector with lens shift for the second. My Panny AE2000 sits beside my Acer 720P projector on a high shelf, which by some miracle was the perfect height and distance for the Acer to sit on (upside down of couse) and even more luckily was wide enough to hold both projectors side by side. I sit 7' from my 120" screen and it is pretty suprising how 720p still looks amazing in 3D. The only time it really bugs me is gaming, and even on the sharp you can only game in 720p.
 
#451 ·
Direct competition against the Sharp 17000. Its going to be an interesting match:


SONY DELIVERS A BRIGHTER HOME THEATER EXPERIENCE WITH

NEW 3D FRONT PROJECTOR


VPL-HW30ES -- Newest Member of the "Elevated Standards" (ES) Line


SAN DIEGO, June 10, 2011 - Sony Electronics is taking the next step toward bringing the big screen experience to a wider audience with the introduction of the VPL-HW30ES front projector. Incorporating Sony's latest panel technology and dynamic lamp control system, fans of movies, sports and gaming have the opportunity to enjoy unrivalled 2D or 3D entertainment, with stunning images that are nearly three times as bright as Sony's current 3D home projector.

Utilizing Sony's SXRD (Silicon X-tal Reflective Display) technology, the VPL-HW30ES delivers full high definition video including 3D, using high frame rate 240Hz panel drive projection technology. When viewers don the new active shutter 3D glasses (TDG-PJ1 sold separately), the front projector with the 3D transmitter (TMR-PJ1 sold separately) delivers a crisp and bright image on the screen. Sony's new lamp technology enables 3D display that is brighter and also reduces the cross talk that can diminish the clarity of the projected image.

Part of the Sony's ES line, this projector will be available in the United States through a network of high-end A/V specialists and custom installers. Also available in a bundle with two pairs of 3D glasses and transmitter, is the VPL-HW30AES.

The VPLHW30ES supports a wide variety of 3D formats including frame packing, side-by-side, and top and bottom. Only Sony products offer support this range, so viewers can enjoy the widest variety of 3D including Blu-ray, broadcast and photography. The projector is also equipped with 2D to 3D conversion function to simulate 3D video and pictures using 2D content. It also features two-way RS232 and an IR input for simple and seamless integration with third party automation systems.

"The VPL-HW30ES is part of Sony's strategy to expand 3D for home front projectors," said Charles Speidel, vice president, Sony Electronics' Home Audio and Video Division. "This uses the same SXRD cinematic display technology to enable high resolution, high contrast and faster refresh rates, delivering incredible pictures and full high definition on a big screen, even in 3D. Whether watching movies, sports or playing video games, this projector, offers consumer the ultimate theater experience in their living room."

The new projector offers independent 2D/3D picture modes; users can optimize the display based on content being viewed for cinema, sports, gaming or photo viewing. With Sony's SXRD panel and Advanced Iris 3 technologies, the VPL-HW30ES features dynamic contrast to 70,000:1 while delivering 1,300 lumens output. The VPL-HW30ES also supports HDMI1.4a which not only includes 3D support, but also Deep Color and x.v.Color for natural, vivid reproduction of colors. Sony's video processing which includes Motionflow with Dark Frame Insertion and Mosquito and Block Noise reduction and 24p True Cinema capabilities recreates a sharp film-like image.

Sony's new TDG-PJ 1 3D glasses (sold separately) have a matte black finish inside the frames to optimize viewing of projected images and reduce reflections; are lighter (2.1oz vs. 2.8oz); rechargeable; and offer longer viewing times (30 hours continuous watching on a single 30 minutes charge) when compared to the first generation.


Price and Availability

The VPL-HW30ES, front projector, $3699.99 begins shipping in July 2011 and is available through Sony's network of A/V specialists and custom installers. The TDG-PJ1, active shutter 3D glasses, $129.99 and TMR-PJ1, 3D transmitter, $79.99 are also available at that time.

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