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This is welcome news, that Sharp has a 3D projector on the way. I am still using an XV-Z20000 with Sony PS3. I did the 24 Hz firmware upgrade about 3 years ago and I still get horrendous motion judder, even with Blu-ray. I believe the upgrade to the 20K only enabled it to ACCEPT a 24 Hz signal and it looks like it still displays at 60 Hz. My motion judder test is the opening scene in Escape to Athena. The judder disappears on a 120 Hz Samsung TV, but is horrendous on the XV-Z20k.

I'm hoping the 17K will have 120 or even 240 Hz refresh rate, to give us the option of improving upon the motion judder. If I learn anything, I'll post it here.

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If it is the same as the Z15000 there will be no motion judder with 24hz. The Z15000 does produce a pretty bright image, with a new bulb it will be quite nice for 3D but after the first 500 or so hours you will probably be looking to shell out another $600 for another bulb. The specs are good value in the under$2000 range but with 3D tagged on and selling for over $3500... not so sure about that. Bit disappointed there is no improvement for 2D over the Z15000. Better off holding out for something better or getting a .95" 2D projector IMO

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After its official announcement at the CEDIA Expo a few months back, Sharp'sXV-Z17000 has generated a fair amount of interest. At the time, pricing and specific availability was not disclosed, but those important details were firmed up at this week's Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas.

As our own Rachel Cericola reported when the XV-Z17000 was first announced: the XV-Z17000 boasts 1080p resolution with a reported contrast ratio of 40,000:1 (an increase from the previously-expected 30,000:1). And As Rachel said with respect to the Sharp's 3D delivery, the XV-Z17000 "can deliver the 3D goods via IR Link and DLP Link technologies. Even better, Sharp wants to promote domestic tranquility so they're packing not one but two pairs of active shutter 3D glasses right inside the box."

Sharp has also included Consumer Electronic Control (CEC) functionality, Keystone Correction and Image Shift Function for maximum installation flexibility. The latter can vertically shift images in a 16:9 format, promising a big picture in a small space or simply more flexible installation options.

Other features include two HDMI 1.4 inputs, a computer/component (mini D-sub 15 pin), component (3 RCA), S-Video and video (RCA) inputs, as well as an RS-232C port. Sharp also says that the unit is whisper quiet, with about 23dB of fan noise. Packing a 250-watt projection lamp, the projector is expected to provide about 3,000 hours of entertainment, depending on usage, before a bulb change is necessary.

As aforementioned, portions of the above are taken from Rachel's initial report, but this week's big CES news is that the XV-Z17000 will become available in February at a List Price of $4,999.

http://www.explore3dtv.com/blog/entr...-3D-Projector/

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We've said before that 3D in the home should be as big an experience as you can make it. With that in mind, we were excited to check out Sharp's new single-chip 3D DLP projector at the company's CES booth this week.

The XV-Z17000 is Sharp's first 3D projector. It uses the active shutter glasses method of resolving 3D. Control of the glasses is done via IR Link in which an IR signal is sent from the projector to the screen, and then bounced back to the viewer's glasses. The XV-Z17000 will ship with two 3D glasses.

Aside from 3D, the XV-Z17000 sports a 1080p resolution, 40,000:1 contrast ratio, 1,600 lumens light output (in high brightness mode) two HDMI 1.4d inputs, vertical lens shift and an RS-232 port.

At Sharp's demonstration theater, the XV-Z17000 was one of the best 3D demos in the convention hall. On the large projection screen, the image was incredibly bright, and showed no crosstalk or flickering artifacts. The 3D effect was much more pronounced than on 3D TVs due to the size of the screen (about 100 inches). I was able to move around the room to view the image from different angles as well as tilt my head from side to side, and still I didn't pick up any noticeable shift in the 3D image. The rainbow image effect that some people notice in DLP projectors also wasn't a problem.

At an MSRP of $4,999 (available in February), it's one of the more affordable ways to get an immersive 3D experience. We hope to check it out in more detail when it becomes available.

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Hopefully more information comes out such as is there any horizontal lens shift and what is the amount of vertical lens shift.
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Sharp needs to get a little more realistic about pricing if it wants this projector to take off.
The good news is that it's DLP, so no ghosting, and seems to have lots of brightness. If Sharp could get the price into the $3,000 to $3,500 range then I think there'd be lots of interest.
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So no DVI input then? Does that mean that the hunt for a 1080p 3D DLP projector that can handle 60 frames per eye for Nvidia 3D Vision continues?
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So no DVI input then? Does that mean that the hunt for a 1080p 3D DLP projector that can handle 60 frames per eye for Nvidia 3D Vision continues?

Am I missing something here? My 720p 3D DLP projector doesn't have a DVI input and I'm currently successfully using Nvidia 3D Vision.
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Sharp needs to get a little more realistic about pricing if it wants this projector to take off.
The good news is that it's DLP, so no ghosting, and seems to have lots of brightness. If Sharp could get the price into the $3,000 to $3,500 range then I think there'd be lots of interest.

$3k sounds about right for a 1080p 3D DLP. I would have considered it for that price, depending on the speed of the color wheel. hopefully it's a high speed setup for that much $$.
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Darin,
Was this the demo that I dragged you and Steve into at the end of the show? If so, I thought the 3d was probably better on this pj than the JVC.

While their is a price premium, what other options are there for dlp 3d?

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If you have your projector mounted dead center in regards to horizontal, do you have to move the ceiling mount or is there some other ways besides the lens shift, like keystone?
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Am I missing something here? My 720p 3D DLP projector doesn't have a DVI input and I'm currently successfully using Nvidia 3D Vision.

Yep - I'm looking for 1080p @ 60frames per eye in 3D which HDMI 1.4 cannot do. Needs to be DVI for that.
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Yep - I'm looking for 1080p @ 60frames per eye in 3D which HDMI 1.4 cannot do. Needs to be DVI for that.

I am definitely missing something here. In order to get freedom from motion judder when watching 24 fps and 60 fps sources, I reckoned you need a display device with 120 Hz refresh rate. That is just for 2D viewing. If you want to enjoy the same with 3D, then there needs to be 120 Hz available to each eye. That means a fully fledged 3D projector would need to be capable of 240 Hz refresh rate. The Sony VPL-VW90 has 240 Hz refresh rate. I have not yet seen any mention of the refresh rate on the Sharp XV-Z17000.
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This projector blew me away at CES. It was by far the best home 3D experience (TV or projector) that I have seen. They were demoing clips from Despicable Me that looked incredible. I could see absolutely no ghosting. This project may have convinced me that 3D can work in the home.

The $10k+ LG was close in quality (and is nice because it uses passive glasses), but still had some ghosting. The $15k+ Sony was horrible, lots of ghosting and instant fatigue. The cheap Mitsubishi was also not impressive.

Unfortunately Epson was not at the show and Panasonic did not have any projectors (2D or 3D) on display.

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This projector blew me away at CES. It was by far the best home 3D experience (TV or projector) that I have seen. They were demoing clips from Despicable Me that looked incredible. I could see absolutely no ghosting. This project may have convinced me that 3D can work in the home.

The $10k+ LG was close in quality (and is nice because it uses passive glasses), but still had some ghosting. The $15k+ Sony was horrible, lots of ghosting and instant fatigue. The cheap Mitsubishi was also not impressive.

Unfortunately Epson was not at the show and Panasonic did not have any projectors (2D or 3D) on display.

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On the JVC thread I mentioned that I thought 1080p DLP 3D would be really good, but was met with lots of resistance - something about double rainbows and so on. I think that was just BS, but who knows? Having seen (and presently own) a 720p 3D DLP, which shows amazing 3D, I'm extremely interested in 1080p 3D DLP and will be watching this thread closely.

I wonder how much flexibility the Sharp will have in 3D mode when it comes to settings, especially gamma? The cheap little 720p 3D DLP Acer has 6 presets for gamma in 3D mode and throws one hell of an image.
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To my eye I think the Sharp was one of the best 3D picture at CES. The picture was bright and punchy with no ghosting at all. The worst was the Mitsubishi, I don't know what to explain but the motion was horrible, it made you just want to take off the 3D glasses.

The nice thing about the Sharp is if you get tired of watching 3D, just push the left button on the glasses twice and you can view the movie in 2D with the 3D glassed. The guy told me that it has 1600 ANSI lumen...??? but he did not know what DMD chip size for this unit when I asked him.
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Hi guys...So which 3D glasses will work the best with this projector?...Does anyone know?...Will the Xpand 103's work?...If not, will the 102's?...Thanx,
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Will the Xpand 103's work?...If not, will the 102's?

X102 should work, since the projector appears to support DLP-Link. Unfortunately DLP-Link can do bad things to black level and contrast, at least based on Optoma HD67. X103 requires an IR emitter for sync, so unless the projector has an Xpand compatible emitter built-in I don't see how they could work.

edit: Whoops, no. Where did I get info about DLP-Link support in this pj? Not sure. The brochure and some websites mention the pj supports IR Link instead. That might be compatible with X103. Just speculatin'.

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OK, here we go: Sharp's own announcement mentions both DLP Link and IR Link.

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OK, here we go: Sharp's own announcement mentions both DLP Link and IR Link.


Thanks Petri...Whoooh, so cool, it does both. I won't have to buy more glasses...
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Thanks Petri...Whoooh, so cool, it does both. I won't have to buy more glasses...

Don't exhale just yet. There's no set in stone information about IR Link being compatible with X103. Time will tell, I'm sure.

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Don't exhale just yet. There's no set in stone information about IR Link being compatible with X103. Time will tell, I'm sure.

Okay, then Ill just keep my fingers crossed...
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nVidia 3D vision now supports Frame Packed 1080P 3D mode, so no need for 120Hz input capability.

Clearly no Lens shift. They are bragging about image shift: Being able to move the 2.35 image up and down in the 16x9 frame. That sucks, but my 720p Acer 3D doesn't either.

I would also assume, quite obviously, that the ir glasses will be compatible with the ir glasses they are already selling for their lcd tv's.

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Ok, xpand 103 lists sharp under support, so I assume they are good to go.
http://www.xpandcinema.com/products/glasses/X103-home/
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Has anyone here seen this unit at ces that has also seen even a JVC RS20 or any on the newer JVC units and could comment on the blacks? Does this unit have a DI? And more importantly does it have lens shift? Can it be mounted on a table even with the middle of a screen or is there a big offset?

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nVidia 3D vision now supports Frame Packed 1080P 3D mode, so no need for 120Hz input capability.
Wow - via HDMI? When did they announce this?
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To my eye I think the Sharp was one of the best 3D picture at CES. The picture was bright and punchy with no ghosting at all. The worst was the Mitsubishi, I don't know what to explain but the motion was horrible, it made you just want to take off the 3D glasses.

The nice thing about the Sharp is if you get tired of watching 3D, just push the left button on the glasses twice and you can view the movie in 2D with the 3D glassed. The guy told me that it has 1600 ANSI lumen...??? but he did not know what DMD chip size for this unit when I asked him.
The chip in the Z15000 is .65" DMD. Seeing as its the same housing for the Z17000 I think we can presume that it is also going to be .65"

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I' d buy it if it only had lens-shift !!!
cant set it up with my HP screen without vertical lens-shift
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nVidia 3DTV Play
http://www.nvidia.com/object/3dtv-play.html

I am hoping you have a hefty video card for this
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I' d buy it if it only had lens-shift !!!
cant set it up with my HP screen without vertical lens-shift

Edit, I stand corrected on lens shift. I didn't know the difference between lens shift and Image-shift.
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