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Sorry Alan. I left that out. But somehow people just don`t want to believe that the 3D sport eats up so much light. But its fairly clear that JVC is doing something special to get more light in the 3D mode.

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Is there a special screen for 3D? Could an AT screen with >1.2 gain be able to have a 3D picture on it?

I never really thought of 3D and was more concerned with a great 2D picture but since there is some buzz around JVC possibly having a good 3D solution I might as well consider it.

I am planning on a 110" to 120" wide screen so the added lumens from JVC is nice
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Is there a special screen for 3D? Could an AT screen with >1.2 gain be able to have a 3D picture on it?

I never really thought of 3D and was more concerned with a great 2D picture but since there is some buzz around JVC possibly having a good 3D solution I might as well consider it.

I am planning on a 110" to 120" wide screen so the added lumens from JVC is nice

Good luck with that. I'd stick with your concern of a great 2d picture.
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Is there a special screen for 3D? Could an AT screen with >1.2 gain be able to have a 3D picture on it?

Depends on the type/technology used. If shutter glasses or color filters (thinking Dolby, not red/blue) are used, then any screen works. If polarization is used (like RealD or IMAX) then you need a silver screen.

It's sounding like most all consumer 3D this year is shutter glass based.

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According to Cinetson, the x7 will have 1200 lumen and a 70000:1 contrast ratio

do you have a link?

The info I saw is 1300 lumens and 100,000:1 for the x9, 1300 lumens 70:000:1 for the x7 which is awesome!

Panel: 3 x 0.7 inches of D-ILA
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do you have a link?

The info I saw is 1300 lumens and 100,000:1 for the x9, 1300 lumens 70:000:1 for the x7 which is awesome!


http://www.cinetson.org/phpBB3/proje...5.html#p527836

See last post of that thread.
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Good luck with that. I'd stick with your concern of a great 2d picture.

I assume you're saying the 3D image will be too dim on a screen that large with that low of gain?

So basically anyone looking for AT can't do 3D
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Contrast:
100.000:1 DLA-X9
70.000:1 DLA-X7
50.000:1 DLA-X3
1,300 lumens

Putting that with specs from projectorcentral.com I see the following progression for JVC specs for lumens and on/off CR since 2004 (listing the year for the corresponding CEDIA, even if the projector shipped January or later):

2004:
HD2K - (none listed), 2k:1

2005:
HD10K - 600, 2k:1

2006:
RS1 - 700, 15k:1

2007:
RS2 - 600, 30k:1

2008:
RS10 - 1000, 32k:1
RS20 - 900, 50k:1

2009:
RS15 - 1000, 32k:1
RS25 - 900, 50k:1
RS35 - 900, 70k:1

2010:
X3 - 1300, 50k:1
X7 - 1300, 70k:1
X9 - 1300, 100k:1

BTW: 2006 was when Marantz came out with the 11S1 at 6500:1 on/off CR. DLP really hasn't gone that far in native on/off CR since then.

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Oh no, looks like there's no CMS on the X3
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I would venture that most consumer screens are around 1.15 to 1.3 gain with an aspect of 1.78 amd a diagonal between 100 inches and 123 inches. depending on the scize of an AT perfed with a 1.2 gain, from reports the JVCs should at least meet the high end of the commercial theater standard of 4.0 ft lamberts. Discounting bulb wear and opening the iris fully would give about 6 ft lamberts at short throw with a 1.2 gain 123 diag 1.78. With 3D sources, low APL scenes I expect will not be that frequent. I hope the 3D mode defaults the iris to full open with perhaps an override.

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do you have a link?

The info I saw is 1300 lumens and 100,000:1 for the x9, 1300 lumens 70:000:1 for the x7 which is awesome!

Panel: 3 x 0.7 inches of D-ILA
1920 x 1080
Contrast:
100.000:1 DLA-X9
70.000:1 DLA-X7
50.000:1 DLA-X3
1,300 lumens
two-way motor zoom shot
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motor Lens SHIFT: 34% horizontal and 80% vertically
motor objective cover
220 Watts of UHP lamp
3D ready (Frame sequentially, Side by Side, Above Below)
Color management system (7 points) (only X9, X7)
Advanced CLEAR Motion drive (interpolation, black picture)
FÃ*lm clay/tone mode (only Dila-X9, Dila-X7)
Digital key clay/tone correction
Connections: 2 x HDMI, component, trigger, remote, 3D-Emitter, RS232
additionally DiLA-X7, DiLA-X9: LAN for integration into a house control
Dimensions: 455 x 179 x 472 mm

If those are the dimensions, then these "X" models are EXACTLY the same width as the RS1, but slightly higher and ~2" more depth. Cool

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If those are the dimensions, then these "X" models are EXACTLY the same width as the RS1, but slightly higher and ~2" more depth. Cool

For some people I guess. For me it would be worse than my RS20. I need to max out my throw distance as much as possible, as I have my projector pushed up against the back wall. Every portion of an inch counts and the side mounted connections have also allowed me to eek out more throw distance.

If these new models are even deeper, with rear connections, not good for this camper.
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For some people I guess. For me it would be worse than my RS20. I need to max out my throw distance as much as possible, as I have my projector pushed up against the back wall. Every portion of an inch counts and the side mounted connections have also allowed me to eek out more throw distance.

If these new models are even deeper, with rear connections, not good for this camper.

Bummer Rich Yeah, I can see the new case with rear inputs being either a good or bad thing depending on the setup.

Edit: Actually, they are about 6mm less in the depth department vs your RS20 if my info is correct (478 for RS20 vs 472 for X models)......of course this is not much and you still have to contend with rear inputs.

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x3 with 50 000:1 contrast at 4000.00. Count me in. I doubt that going from 50 000 to 100 000:1 contrast will make much difference other then complete fade to black. Hopefully the x3 has the same quality optics as the x7 and x9
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x3 with 50 000:1 contrast at 4000.00. Count me in. I doubt that going from 50 000 to 100 000:1 contrast will make much difference other then complete fade to black. Hopefully the x3 has the same quality optics as the x7 and x9

+1........If AVS streets this at ~$4k or under, I am in. I will deal with the wait until December or Early part of 2011 I might be projectorless for a while once my RS1 is gone, but oh well.

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Well if you have a sheet rock wall, you could put in a header and footer and get about 3 more inches for the rear connectors. And they have right angle HDMI connectors now. A cubby in the wall for the extra 3 inches you will need.

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Thanks Mark. My projector is in front of a bay window so no can do. Thanks for reminding me about the right angle HDMI connectors though!
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Me too, only based on those specs, at 4000$ it's half the price of the Sony and it's brighter and better. But I'm still curious about the secret 3D brightness that was hyped. We are missing the big piece of the puzzle here.
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Oh no, looks like there's no CMS on the X3

This is exactly what what i feared JVC would do in some post i did a few days ago.

This is so dumb, so i can buy a 500 buck projector with a proper CMS, but this "low end" 5k JVC doesn't have one...

And you know what? i wouldn't even care, if they had a gamut preset close to the standard, but they don't (hopefully someone will prove me wrong).

So the result is that this wide color gamut "feature" of the projectors is more of a problem than a feature.

It makes the these projectors look as bad as a 150 buck LCD monitor with the same "feature".

They look terrible because of how over saturated the colors are, this won't be any different unless they at least added a proper gamut preset.
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If it wasn't for the lack of CMS/Good preset, how many people would choose the RS25 over the RS15 or the X5 over the X3. Probably a lot less.

See what an anamorphoscopic lens can do, see movies the way they were meant to be seen
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True. JVC are money hungry hoes, but I like oversaturated colours

Im guessing they are licensing dolby 3D that has the least amount of light loss.
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Dolby 3D uses the Infitec system and that has the highest light loss of the different systems, something like a 93% loss. JVC uses a shutter glass system.

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Mark, isn't your NDA lifted now?
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Im sure somewhere in the world it isn't the 22nd yet
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Oh no, looks like there's no CMS on the X3

Correct. However, the X3 has an HDTV/sRGB/REC709 preset. It will be interesting to see what the DeltaE values will be, but I am hopeful they will be acceptable.

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Correct. However, the X3 has a HDTV/sRGB/REC709 preset. It will be interesting to see what the DeltaE values will be, but I am hopeful they will be acceptable.

Oh it does??

That's awesome news, and it's good enough for me. ^_^
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Oh it does??

That's awesome news, and it's good enough for me. ^_^

Yes, that was my first question, when I entered the secret dark booth on IFA a couple of weeks ago.

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Ok, so with the NDA gone. can we get all the details guys?

Anything special about the new lamps?
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