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The AR100u doesn't feature Smooth - Screen as far as I know.
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Sorry Been Busy and haven't been to the forum.

I have had the Omega Kit for 2 days now. I have to say I am really impressed with it. I have done several Cross talk test and they have passed all of them. I saw no crosstalk at all.

At work I am using 2 5000 lumen projectors. So hehe the Brightness is good here.

I have a rs40 at home but only 1, so unfortunately (unless someone buys me another rs40) I will not be able to test it.

A general impressions compared to active 3d, or polarized 3d?
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A general impressions compared to active 3d, or polarized 3d?

While I watch the Active on my rs40 it takes me a bit to adjust to glasses and the flicker. The Ghosting is very Noticeable on my rs40.

The image on the passive is so smooth and no ghosting from the scenes I tested.

I tested it on a 16ft wide by 10ft high screen.16:10 aspect ratio.

Very stunning so far.
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While I watch the Active on my rs40 it takes me a bit to adjust to glasses and the flicker. The Ghosting is very Noticeable on my rs40.

The image on the passive is so smooth and no ghosting from the scenes I tested.

I tested it on a 16ft wide by 10ft high screen.16:10 aspect ratio.

Very stunning so far.

Space, could you try out the filters with your single RS40 just to see how much it affects your brightness and colors?
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Space, could you try out the filters with your single RS40 just to see how much it affects your brightness and colors?


I will see what I can do? right now the filters are at my work, but I will see if I can get them and try them for you guys.
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If you care about input lag, don't go with the Epson 3010, 5010 series. They sport80-100 ms of lag.
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While I watch the Active on my rs40 it takes me a bit to adjust to glasses and the flicker. The Ghosting is very Noticeable on my rs40.

The image on the passive is so smooth and no ghosting from the scenes I tested.

I tested it on a 16ft wide by 10ft high screen.16:10 aspect ratio.

Very stunning so far.

Glad to hear its working as it should for you. i cant wait to see how others feel as they get them setup.
thanks for posting your results.

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yours are on their way. saw the box this morning as well as four others going out.

Awesome. Getting excited!

Ahh... F1 in full HD 3D with
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I would go with 2 Epson 5010's for the much greater brightness potential.

Yes, I'm guessing you may be right. Using the Omega lenses I would think you'd be better to err on the side of monster light.

The JVCs have a natural advantage when used with a polarized setup, because the prepolarised light output means very little light loss for that type of system, resulting in great final output intensity.

However, a system like Dolby/Infitec or Panavision/Omega, will treat all light output the same, whether polarized or not, it will chop out any color bandwidth that is not part of the pass thru for each eye.

This shouldn't be a problem at all if you have enough light, or if your screen is not too large.

I should know the extent once I get my set to play with. I've got a pretty large screen. The Dolby setup wasn't too dark when I tried it, but it wasn't as bright as the polarized setup.

But the Omega seems like it should have really good extinction ratios and less crosstalk, so I'm keen to see. Will let you know for sure how I think it can be best used.

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So I have been doing some more research and I am leaning more towards dual projectors instead of a polarizing modulator. One thing that has really intrigued me is the Omega kits mentioned on this forum earlier. Anyone actually get this and try them?

I don't like the modulator setups. Saw a couple high end ones that really surprised me in a disappointing way. If you are going to DIY on this, the dual projector systems can be so so much better.

Yes, the Omega lenses are about to be put through their paces here by a few folks, it sounds like. It looks like another good option for separating the left and right images.

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Hi,

Can someone know if projected light in Panasonic PT-AE7000 and Panasonic PT-AR100U is polarized or not?

I am considering using Panasonic PT-AR100U in dual passive 3D projection using SPAR filters and wanna know if SPAR filters can be used or not with AR100U/AE7000.

Also, I am very interested to go with AR100U/AE7000 and Omega Kit.

Thanks,

All the Panasonics I have checked are non polarized. So if you use a polarized setup, figure on losing about half the light output on your dual setup. This is still less light loss than some of the other lense systems out there, so it's not a deal breaker by any means.. You just get more light throughput with a polarized projector, when doing polarized lenses.

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Sorry Been Busy and haven't been to the forum.

I have had the Omega Kit for 2 days now. I have to say I am really impressed with it. I have done several Cross talk test and they have passed all of them. I saw no crosstalk at all.

At work I am using 2 5000 lumen projectors. So hehe the Brightness is good here.

I have a rs40 at home but only 1, so unfortunately (unless someone buys me another rs40) I will not be able to test it.

5000 lumens each?! Now THAT'S the projectors I want to use with the Omega setup

Yes, I think you have the goods there! Lol

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Something that maybe of interest is that omega optical states they are working on a kit to convert rptv 3d dlps to do passive 3D by "convert the DLP filter wheel with an Omega DD 3D wheel", if this works I wonder if it would work in a dlp projector! Passive single projector set up! Not sure about brightness but otherwise this might be my ticket.
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As requested I took some pictures for you guys. Now these where taken with my iphone4, so I did the best I could. X3/rs40

First 2 pictures are taken in normal mode.

Left filter taking up half the image
Right Filter taking up half the image.
Showing what you see through the Glasses(looks better in real life)

Last 2 are
Left filter on High Lamp Mode
Right Filter on High Lamp mode

Also Screen is 1.1 gain Dalite cinimavision
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Wow, high lamp mode looks great, could you do a half and half show in high lamp the same as the first two?
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Wow, high lamp mode looks great, could you do a half and half show in high lamp the same as the first two?

I tired but the iphone kept blowing out the non filtered part so it just was white.

Attached is just the projector in high Lamp mode no filter.

anyone wanna buy me another rs40 wink wink nudge nudge hehehe
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I tired but the iphone kept blowing out the non filtered part so it just was white.

Attached is just the projector in high Lamp mode no filter.

anyone wanna buy me another rs40 wink wink nudge nudge hehehe

show off your RS40 to the neighbors and convince one to buy a b-stock, then tell him to bring it over for dual stack 3D movies nights!
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also forgot to mention in the ghosting test, what your seeing on the left eye is the light reflecting back from my iphone.
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I've seen software that auto aligns projectors by using a camera, not just edge blending but also for a single screen the way dual stack 3d is. Does anyone know who makes this software and if it could be used for home theater dual stacks? I would love to be able to hook my computer up to my projectors and them be able to communicate with the motorized shift and zoom of JVC to line the images up!
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have you seen this method of aligning a screen ? pretty cool

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgrGj...layer_embedded

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Motorman,

Need to do anything special to clean dust of the filters, compressed air? microfiber cloth?

Thanks!

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air is good if it can get the dust off. the coatings are pretty hard so a soft cloth/ microfiber is fine. a lab towel and some alcohol is how i clean them, windex wouldnt hurt them but dosnt really clean that well. technically you could wash them in warm water as long as you dry them well as to not water stain them.
the glasses we wash in a dish washer. just dont use a high heat on them, you dont want to wash them with hard water either. the heat and hard water can soften the plastic some. hand cleaning is best again with alcohol and a wipe.

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When I tired using dolby lens as filters how bad of an idea was that, in other words how much different are the Omega lens different than the filters?
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When I tired using dolby lens as filters how bad of an idea was that, in other words how much different are the Omega lens different than the filters?

Not nearly as different as the dolby is. Some of dolbys projection bands are far more narrow than the bands in the eye filters. You almost could our eye filters like that but you wouldn't see the performance

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Here is a test i did on refitting some lenses. im still searching for the best frame

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...2&postcount=32

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Well, I did a quick and dirty test of the Omega 3D system using two AR100u units. I didnt spend much time trying to align the two images perfectly just got them fairly close. Setup the projectors as an eyefinity display and played a chapter from my Yogi Bear bluray I ripped to 3840 x 1080p, and I have to say I'm blown away.

When viewing through the glasses I couldn't view any crosstalk, and in fact I ran each projector seperately, and when viewing through the off lens, the screen appeared pitch black.

The other first impression I have is that this is very easy on the eyes. I've always gotten headaches from active 3d, and felt polarized 3d was the better choice.

This feels easier on the eyes then even polarized 3d. Don't want to offer a definitive opinion until I watch at least a fell length movie or two.
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Well, I did a quick and dirty test of the Omega 3D system using two AR100u units. I didnt spend much time trying to align the two images perfectly just got them fairly close. Setup the projectors as an eyefinity display and played a chapter from my Yogi Bear bluray I ripped to 3840 x 1080p, and I have to say I'm blown away.

When viewing through the glasses I couldn't view any crosstalk, and in fact I ran each projector seperately, and when viewing through the off lens, the screen appeared pitch black.

The other first impression I have is that this is very easy on the eyes. I've always gotten headaches from active 3d, and felt polarized 3d was the better choice.

This feels easier on the eyes then even polarized 3d. Don't want to offer a definitive opinion until I watch at least a fell length movie or two.

have you done any color correction yet?
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No haven't done any yet..that said with the glasses on I didn't see any color issues at all, though with them off you can see the sight difference.
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Well, I did a quick and dirty test of the Omega 3D system using two AR100u units. I didnt spend much time trying to align the two images perfectly just got them fairly close. Setup the projectors as an eyefinity display and played a chapter from my Yogi Bear bluray I ripped to 3840 x 1080p, and I have to say I'm blown away.

When viewing through the glasses I couldn't view any crosstalk, and in fact I ran each projector seperately, and when viewing through the off lens, the screen appeared pitch black.

The other first impression I have is that this is very easy on the eyes. I've always gotten headaches from active 3d, and felt polarized 3d was the better choice.

This feels easier on the eyes then even polarized 3d. Don't want to offer a definitive opinion until I watch at least a fell length movie or two.

I am replacing my DIY Dolby 3D for my dual ae3000 projectors with the Omega filters. I was very pleased with it except for some hard to tune out color differences dark. Especially in deep reds. When I get my kit I will try to do some comparisons. I must say I am excited as hell...
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Guys, I upgraded my Pioneer FPJ1 with Epson 3010. I still have the old projector. I'm wondering if I can use this kit with these two dissimilar projectors. I prefer passive 3d better than active.
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