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here is the link

http://avscience.com/2010/07/enterta...-a-quick-look/

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Christian,

What RGB issue?

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Hi Kevin,

the issue is that the projector doesnt receive ypbpr because the black level is locked to 0 IrE... The workaround is to set the projector to rgb as well as your source/ processor and pc black levels...

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Christian,

Thanks. More info is almost always better.

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I have been running the Vango for just over a year. Nary a hiccup. I brushed a bit of air borne dust from the lens a couple of times. Other than that it just works. I don't miss the churning that accompanied the G90 CRT, the D-ILAs, the LCDs. I am surprised a year has passed. I have no idea how many hours are on it. I never look.

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I have been running the Vango for just over a year. Nary a hiccup. I brushed a bit of air borne dust from the lens a couple of times. Other than that it just works. I don't miss the churning that accompanied the G90 CRT, the D-ILAs, the LCDs. I am surprised a year has passed. I have no idea how many hours are on it. I never look.

Hey Vince,

Merry Christmas. Ditto with me, 16 months and counting. Do you know how to find the hours info?

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PS. Much better December weather than last year.

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John,

Try page 41 in manual (Projector Mode/Status/Power On Timer). I will interrogate mine when I am down there next. You have me curious.

The wettest year on record in KY. I hope it has gotten it out of its system.

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Try page 41 in manual (Projector Mode/Status/Power On Timer). I will interrogate mine when I am down there next. You have me curious.

The wettest year on record in KY. I hope it has gotten it out of its system.

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Ah yes....RTFM. Got it.

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I've got 1300+ hours over the past 10 months on my Vango and I'm trying to decide if it is losing light output or not. I've seen two HDTV shows and a movie in the past week that just look too dark. I strongly suspect it is the source, but this wouldn't be a hobby if I didn't worry about something.
Has anybody measured any loss in Lumens after 1000 hours? I've seen conflicting reports.
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I strongly suspect it is the source, but this wouldn't be a hobby if I didn't worry about something.

So try a movie or other source you're familiar with

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I've got 1300+ hours over the past 10 months on my Vango and I'm trying to decide if it is losing light output or not. I've seen two HDTV shows and a movie in the past week that just look too dark. I strongly suspect it is the source, but this wouldn't be a hobby if I didn't worry about something.
Has anybody measured any loss in Lumens after 1000 hours? I've seen conflicting reports.

i just recently emailed the vango team regarding loss of overall light output(about 20%-30%) and some constant fluctuation in light output and colour when dynamic black is enabled. i got prompt responses from the vango team and my vango is on its way to the factory at their cost all the way from mumbai india. very impressed with their response.
how does one find out how many hours the vango has been used?
i have had the vango for about a year with a lot of usage. this problem has surfaced over the last 3 weeks of usage.
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i just recently emailed the vango team regarding loss of overall light output(about 20%-30%) and some constant fluctuation in light output and colour when dynamic black is enabled. i got prompt responses from the vango team and my vango is on its way to the factory at their cost all the way from mumbai india. very impressed with their response.
how does one find out how many hours the vango has been used?
i have had the vango for about a year with a lot of usage. this problem has surfaced over the last 3 weeks of usage.

The counter is accessed via the menu function (Projector Mode/Status/Power On Timer).

All of my interactions with Vango, in anticipation of purchase, were stellar. Please post the rest of the story when you know it.

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The counter is accessed via the menu function (Projector Mode/Status/Power On Timer).

All of my interactions with Vango, in anticipation of purchase, were stellar. Please post the rest of the story when you know it.

thank you for the info.

will keep you posted
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Hey, I just got the Vango back and finished setting it up and I'm really happy to see it in all its glory!!!
I'm very impressed with the after-sales service of the Vango team which actually sent me a replacement projecter because there was a delay in the repairs to my unit due to the unavailablity of repair staff. The after- sales service of the Vango team is definitely very commendable.
I had emailed them to enquire about the reason behind the overall 20-30% loss in the light out-put, coupled with the fact that when Dynamic Black was enabled, there would be constant occurence of colour shifts and inconsistency in the image. to this they responded that they will update me as soon as their repair staff is available and they figure out the reason for the problem.
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manoharshetty9,

I think you are saying that they elected to replace your projector as a convenience to you? If so, I am impressed. Reassuring, although I have not had a hiccup. Thanks for the feedback.

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manoharshetty9,

I think you are saying that they elected to replace your projector as a convenience to you? If so, I am impressed. Reassuring, although I have not had a hiccup. Thanks for the feedback.

Ciao

that is exactly what happened. to avoid any unnecessary delay and therefore any inconvenience to me they replaced the projector. extremely commendable.
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Has anybody measured any loss in Lumens after 1000 hours? I've seen conflicting reports.

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So try a movie or other source you're familiar with

OK, I re-watched some Blu-Rays and as far as I can tell, my projector is as bright as ever. I suppose that means I could have lost a bit of light output, but I honestly cannot tell.

Almost one year after purchasing the Vango, I'm still thrilled with its picture quality.
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nothing to maintain.

You may want to clean the fan every now and then but the LEDs do not need anything.

how does one go about cleaning the fan and vents effectively cause i see a lot of dust collecting in the intake vent over a period of time
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Page 44 of the user manual merely prescribes vacuuming the two air flow ports. No mention of a filter or anything internal. I wonder if this is typical on liquid cooled systems.

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I believe the light path is sealed on this machine so you would not have to worry about through dust into the mix. Yes the only thing I saw in the manual is to vacuum it out.

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BTW there is a pixel by pixel mode on the Vango.

how does one access this pixel by pixel mode?
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I don't think there is one.
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If there were projector-based patterns I would be interested. I have not been able to locate anything. On the other hand, mine never seems to need adjustment.

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The counter is accessed via the menu function (Projector Mode/Status/Power On Timer).

All of my interactions with Vango, in anticipation of purchase, were stellar. Please post the rest of the story when you know it.

finally got an update on what was wrong with the projector. Tom Bond emailed me the following

"Hi Manohar, Here is the current update. The projector had a large amount of sand and soil inside the unit. The factory believes this caused the failure. I would make sure you add some type of filtering of the air wherever you have the projector located and keep the projector away from any open windows. Tom."

previous to the Vango i had been using an NEC HT 1100 projector, which i bought in 2003, untill 2010. 7 years. there could have been some amount of dust but sand and soil? in the same room along with the Vango(bought in Dec 2010) i also have a Nad T763(2003), Oppo BDP 83(2009), Parasound halo P7 multichannel analogue Pre-amp(2009), Parasound Halo A51 Five channel Power Amplifier(2009), 5.1 Dynaudio Audience Speaker system with front left and right being the Audience 72(2003) and Stewart Studiotek 130 G3 102" Diagonal 16:9 Aspect Ratio Retractable Electriscreen with Horizontal Electric Masking(2009). All of this hooked up to an online ups power stabilizer/supplier.

none of the above have been affected by the environment in my theatre room, aside from the regular dust that accumulates over a period of time, which also happens to be my bedroom where i sleep. my apartment is on the 19th floor of a high rise building in Bombay city, nowhere close to a desert.

Sand and soil? OK.
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Usually when I think of airborne dust, I think of dust blobs or temperature thresholds.

Despite the fog of sand and soil, their customer service remains 'unsoiled.'

Best of luck going forward.

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Usually when I think of airborne dust, I think of dust blobs or temperature thresholds.

Despite the fog of sand and soil, their customer service remains 'unsoiled.'

Best of luck going forward.

i agree with you just like i did earlier that their customer service is top notch and that they will, and should, stand by their comittment of the Vango's long term performance.

but by fog of sand and soil do you mean lack of clarity like a smoke screen or diversion from the long term performance(50,000 hours) issue of the LED lights?

Also what is the relevance of temperature thresholds with airborne dust.

Sorry for my ignorance, just trying to understand.
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manoharshetty9,

I used fog to describe the uncertainty. Facts are scarce and apparently insufficient to determine exactly what happened. Rather like the 'fog of war.'

Dust affects temperature by gradually clogging filters on a lamp-driven machine. That reduces air flow. It is possible that dust could insulate the radiator on a water cooled system. Will it? I don't have data.

I lived many years outside the US in different cultures. Your ability to grasp nuances and communicate seems superb. I was always quite pedestrian.

There are electrostatic foams. Dark gray, maybe 5-6 mm thick that could guard the air inlets on your projector and hardly be noticeable. The moving air creates the charge. They did not seem to impede air flow much if at all when I used them on a hush box. By chance, is you machine upright on its feet? Or upside down? I suspect the former.

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I used fog to describe the uncertainty. Facts are scarce and apparently insufficient to determine exactly what happened. Rather like the 'fog of war.'

Dust affects temperature by gradually clogging filters on a lamp-driven machine. That reduces air flow. It is possible that dust could insulate the radiator on a water cooled system. Will it? I don't have data.

I lived many years outside the US in different cultures. Your ability to grasp nuances and communicate seems superb. I was always quite pedestrian.

There are electrostatic foams. Dark gray, maybe 5-6 mm thick that could guard the air inlets on your projector and hardly be noticeable. The moving air creates the charge. They did not seem to impede air flow much if at all when I used them on a hush box. By chance, is you machine upright on its feet? Or upside down? I suspect the former.


quite poetic for a pedestrian i must say. most wars that have gone on for too long have been due to lack of clarity. Weapons of mass destruction strike a chord?

my machine is upright. you guessed right. may i know how you knew that?

these electrostatic foams that you talked about, are you suggesting that i use them on the Vango air inlet? why electrostatic? i wonder if that might restrict air flow leading to inadequate ventilation, causing overheating. if it does'nt i would gladly use it. besides the vacuum does'nt really reach the radiator of the cooling system through the grill.
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quite poetic for a pedestrian i must say. most wars that have gone on for too long have been due to lack of clarity. Weapons of mass destruction strike a chord?

my machine is upright. you guessed right. may i know how you knew that?

these electrostatic foams that you talked about, are you suggesting that i use them on the Vango air inlet? why electrostatic? i wonder if that might restrict air flow leading to inadequate ventilation, causing overheating. if it does'nt i would gladly use it. besides the vacuum does'nt really reach the radiator of the cooling system through the grill.

manoharshetty9,

Here is a generic link to a filter material.

http://www.airclean.com/products/ele...t-air-filters/

It appears similar to what I used. Here is my thinking. Filters work by either trapping particles or attracting them. Paper filters, pleated too, reduce the size of the holes and trap dust. This also makes them restrictive. Then you have fibrous filters that use something sticky like an oil. Here the particles must actually touch the oil to be stuck. And oil sounds like a bad idea. The electrostatics use a static charge to attract the particles. So they can be less restrictive without oil. Plus they are inexpensive and could simply be lightly fastened in front of the inlets on the outside. I think you will find they are not at all restrictive but you might ask Vango. Usually humidity is the enemy of a static charge. Does Mumbai have humidity he asked somewhat facetiously.

On the orientation, I assumed the circuit boards were on the bottom. If it was upside down the 'sand and soil' would have fallen away from the components and it might never have caused an issue. Its existence is still puzzling. Vacuuming through the grills is a joke IMHO.

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On the orientation, I assumed the circuit boards were on the bottom. If it was upside down the 'sand and soil' would have fallen away from the components and it might never have caused an issue. Its existence is still puzzling. Vacuuming through the grills is a joke IMHO.

recieved this mail from the Vango team:-

"Hi Manohar,

The final report is the sand caused the unit to fail and was the cause for the dim light output. I would definitely look into a way to filter the air.


I'll ask the factory about the foam. I saw the pictures of the contaminated parts and will send them to you shortly. After the parts were cleaned the lumens output was within specs.


Tom"

i guess that means the projector needs regular cleaning to keep lumens within specs depending on the inflow of "Sand And Soil" = "Weapons Of Mass Destruction" now that we have photographs.

awaiting feedback on the Foam/Filter recomendations.
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I suspect the electrostatic filters are biased, in efficacy, toward airborne particles that can carry a charge. My uninformed guess is that 'sand' is not something they are good at. I am more than curious to see the images.

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