Finally have an Rs 40 & 50
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Originally Posted by erkq /forum/post/20434783
Some did get theirs 6 months ago... early December (3rd?). But not very many.
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Originally Posted by Mikeb53 /forum/post/20433454
Soon i'll be setting up a home theater room (20 x 23 x 8) and i was thinking of a jvc projector. Either a 40 or 50. At this point 3D doesn't seem to be important, but in the furture....who knows. I was thinking of a 122 inch diag screen. What I want to know is are the people that have had these projectors for more than 6 months still pleased with them or do you wish you had gone with a different manufactuer.
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Originally Posted by Ron Jones /forum/post/20435317
Dec. 3rd ---> May 14th = 5 months 11 days (i.e., not "for more than 6 months")
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Originally Posted by Swearengen /forum/post/20438714
Latest news. Went to the basement yesterday to watch Where Eagles Dare. It was so dark, that I tried to use the 3D setting for displaying 2D, but it didn't help. Couldn't see anything in the cabin in the woods, when Richard Burton lights a lamp. Went upstairs to see the rest on the Pioneer 509H and it was day and night, literally.
My projector dealer has talked to JVC and they will pick my X9 up this week and firmware upgrade it and check it. The lamp has 164 hours on it and has practically 1/10 of the light that my JVC HD1 had after 1500 hours.
Something is definitely rotten in the state of Denmark.
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Originally Posted by Mikeb53 /forum/post/20433454
Soon i'll be setting up a home theater room (20 x 23 x 8) and i was thinking of a jvc projector. Either a 40 or 50. At this point 3D doesn't seem to be important, but in the furture....who knows. I was thinking of a 122 inch diag screen. What I want to know is are the people that have had these projectors for more than 6 months still pleased with them or do you wish you had gone with a different manufactuer.
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Originally Posted by Toe /forum/post/20439478
I have had my 40 for a little over 5 months (me and the OP in the RS40 thread Sam picked ours up together) and have now racked up ~400 hours. Overall for 2d which seems to be your focus, I am VERY happy and combined with my HP 2.8 screen I am getting the best 2d yet out of the various setups I have had. Neither the HP or 40 is perfect of course as I have minor complaints with both as far as 2d goes, but overall this is a killer combo for my room, setup, etc......and I am VERY satisfied. Up to the 65 hour point I was using a ST130 screen which was great as well and had its pros/cons vs the HP 2.8, but the added punch/brightness of the HP for both 2d and 3d and being able to clamp down the iris more (better contrast and more room to grow as far as brightness and lamp aging) has me preferring the HP overall.
3d is a mixed bag for me at this point due to one major issue.......ghosting. Ghosting on the RS40 for blu ray 3d ranges from hardly any to consistent, heavy and unwatchable. Avatar probably has the least amount of ghosting from everything I have watched as I only noticed it maybe 5 times in the entire film and ALL those cases were very faint/minor. If every disc ghosted only to this degree, it would not be an issue IMO. The problem is at the other end of the spectrum we have a discs such as Dinosaurs Giants Of Patagonia that trip up the 40 big time as far as crosstalk. Ghosting on this disc is consistent, heavy/distracting and for me and basically ruined the presentationThis disc was flat out unwatchable IMO as even my "who cares about this ****" ex commented on it and asked if the disc could be returned at which point I explained to her the disc was not the issue. Every other disc I have seen falls between those 2 extremes, but fortunately more are on the lighter half than the heavier half. This is MUCH too wide of a range IMO though and I am looking forward to this demon being squashed in future models (if possible!), or if they come out with a 1080p 3d DLP with decent placement for not much more than the Acer 720p model (yeah, I am dreaming) I would consider going the 2 projector route.
If you plan to do any gaming in 3d you can forget about it as the ghosting is terrible in general for this purpose IMO on the RS40. I am guessing the ghosting is even worse since we get bumped up to 120hz vs 96hz for blu ray........the 40 is just not refreshing fast enough to give you ghost free gaming...not even close. I was over at a friends house not too long ago and he had just got a ~$500 720p Acer which did not ghost at all on the few games he threw up. Makes a huge difference to the immersion factor to not have all the distracting crosstalk!
Of course more brightness for 3d would be very welcomed as well, but that goes without saying I am sure.
Having said all that, overall I am VERY happy with the projector since most of what I watch is 2d and there are still a fair amount of blu ray 3d discs that the ghosting is tolerable and the overall presentation is excellent. I love features like the fully motorized lens, CMD which I use for certain things and would not want to go without now, the improved masking over previous JVCs, etc.....Also, if you can get passed the ghosting and are not sensitive to the extremely minor flicker (this does not seem to bother most, but you should view for yourself) which I can see on occasion (not a significant issue IMO), the 3d image otherwise if fantastic IMO.
As far as going for either the 40 or 50 that seems like an easy decision if you read through this thread. If I were buying right now and deciding between those 2 models, I would no doubt go with a 40 and a Lum Mini for similar or slightly less $$$$$ compared to a 50. Myself, the only other projector I would even consider in this price range would be the Sharp 17000, but the horrible placement flexibility and RBE would make that a no go for me. The only other option I might do instead of the 40 at this point if I could would be going a 2 projector route, A cheap Acer for 3d duties and a JVC for 2d, but again this is not possible with the current terrible placement flexibility of the 3d DLP units and again, RBE is always a factor for me. In light of all this, I would buy the RS40 again.
Just some of my amateur thoughts/opinions up to the 400 hour mark on the RS40.
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Originally Posted by Mikeb53 /forum/post/20433454
Soon i'll be setting up a home theater room (20 x 23 x 8) and i was thinking of a jvc projector. Either a 40 or 50. At this point 3D doesn't seem to be important, but in the furture....who knows. I was thinking of a 122 inch diag screen. What I want to know is are the people that have had these projectors for more than 6 months still pleased with them or do you wish you had gone with a different manufactuer.
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Originally Posted by Deja Vu /forum/post/20439511
Now that's a great post!
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Originally Posted by Geof /forum/post/20439543
Would I buy an RS50 again? No. Hell no. No f-in way no. But I would buy an RS40/MiniMe 3D combo and end up with more then I got with the 50 and at a lesser price.
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Originally Posted by nohjy /forum/post/20439443
This is exactly what happend with my RS40 lamp. the lamp is defective and needs to be replaced. JVC swapped one out for me in 48 hours. Problem solved - until the new one fails. The QC on these lamps is god awful. They need to increase the warranty on the lamps to at least 500 hours.
John
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Originally Posted by ataru72 /forum/post/20439636
Any clues??
Do I miss anything, refresh settings are to 1080@24Hz and the prj is set to primary.
Any help would be really appreciated!!
Thank You in advance Guys.
I tried any search in the web but no traces.
Sorry but I'm a newbie!!
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Originally Posted by Toe /forum/post/20439478
3d is a mixed bag for me at this point due to one major issue.......ghosting. Ghosting on the RS40 (I should say MY RS40 since there might be some slight unit to unit variation?) for blu ray 3d ranges from hardly any to consistent, heavy and unwatchable. Avatar probably has the least amount of ghosting from everything I have watched as I only noticed it maybe 5 times in the entire film and ALL those cases were very faint/minor. If every disc ghosted only to this degree, it would not be an issue IMO. The problem is at the other end of the spectrum we have a disc such as Dinosaurs Giants Of Patagonia that trip up the 40 big time as far as crosstalk. Ghosting on this disc is consistent, heavy/distracting and for me basically ruined the presentationThis disc was flat out unwatchable IMO as even my "who cares about this ****" ex commented on it and asked if the disc could be returned at which point I explained to her the disc was not the issue. Every other disc I have seen falls between those 2 extremes, but fortunately more are on the lighter half than the heavier half. This is MUCH too wide of a range IMO though and I am looking forward to this demon being squashed in future models (if possible!), or if they come out with a 1080p 3d DLP with decent placement for not much more than the Acer 720p model (yeah, I am dreaming) I would consider going the 2 projector route.
It sounds like the RS50 MIGHT have a advantage over the 40 as far as ghosting goes which more than one comparison has noted. It could simply be unit to unit variation as well........who knows.
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Originally Posted by mark haflich /forum/post/20439858
Geof. If someone is anal about colors, then why would a 50 be a better choice than a 40 and a Mini? I am not advocating anything here re buying a 40 over a 50. I am just challenging your statement that a 50 will get you better than a 40 and a mini.
I assume you are saying that the Mini CMS only allows the primary and secondary colors to be corrected, while the 50/60 adds a 7th color to the mix. But who uses that adjustment? I have never seen a calibrator use it and the word colors I think implies boith color temperature and the xyY of each color. The 20 step gray scale adjustment in the Lumagen I think would result in better gray scale tracking than that possible with either the 40 or 50 alone. Then there is a question of speed. And we are not talking minutes. We are talking hours and hours and hours and all sort of tricks. With the Lumagen, we are talking les than say 1/2 hour for everything. grayscale 20 step, CMS, and 20 step Gamma. And then the resultant De's are what color anality is all about. My De's are way less than yours some will claim. Of course personally I think once you have very small De's there really is no advantage of reducing them by a few tenths. But hell anality is anality. And yes in the old days I definately preferred a woman with firm tight buttocks rather than one with a mushy tushy. I wonder back in those days what reaction I would have got if I would have said, honey you really have tight De's. Probably a big smile and a silent thought of WTF is he talking about. Several days later, the question would have come out, honey what did you mean when you said I had tight De's? I would have answered I will show you later tonight, I can't show you here. If it wasn't going to be a long termer, I could have answered. Trust me but if you need a detailed answer ask you GYN, but don't worry, its a very very good thing.
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Originally Posted by LarryChanin /forum/post/20439860
Hi,
Excellent review.
Let me say at the outset that I have only 40 hours of usage versus your 400 hours. So it is very possible that as I add hours to my RS40 and view additional content that my observations may change. However, so far I have viewed three 3D titles, Tron Legacy, Tangled and Legends of the Guardians, and I have only viewed a couple of fleeting instances of crosstalk.
I also had an opportunity to watch a few scenes of IMAX Space Station on Ron Jones' RS40 and didn't see any obvious crosstalk.
Larry
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Originally Posted by coderguy /forum/post/20439992
Has anyone compared the RS40 to middle-range end DLP's like the Infocus sp8602?
I'm curious to how it matches up in bright scenes.
Does the RS40 obtain that elusive DLP POP that so many projectors lack?
I know some projectors get closer than others to the bright scene pop, just curious.
I am also suprised how well SOME cheap projectors are calibrating these days. Kind of makes you wonder what the heck JVC was doing with their CMS...
I calibrated a Mits hc4000, and OTB the thing started with nearly a perfectly flat 2.22 gamma curve, and the delta e's were all good OTB with a tiny RED push overall, sheesh. Then calibrated a Sanyo z4000, in its best mode, the Delta E's were all below 1.0 from 10IRE to 90IRE, crazy stuff. It calibrated to within 0.8% of a perfect D65 across the entire measurement spectrum.
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Originally Posted by Joesyah /forum/post/20440025
You may want to contact Mikenificent1. He owns both if I'm not mistaken. These last comments he posted on the two"The blacks on the RS40 are excellent, which gives it the advantage IMO 25% of the time (low APL scenes), the other 75% of the time the 8602 has the advantage (That is as of now, about to watch another 2D movie on the RS40, maybe my opinion will change somewhat)."
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Originally Posted by coderguy /forum/post/20440051
Thanks for the info, just waiting for some RMA's before I pull the trigger again.
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Originally Posted by krichter1 /forum/post/20424227
Sorry Ron... "zoomed out" as in largest picture possible, but I think I may know what my error is, (and what a D-bag for not just sitting back and thinking this all out rationally instead of rushing to try and "get-r-done"!).
The 10' 11" mark is supposed to be from the lens to where I put my plumb-bob because I'm trying to mimic the shortest throw and not 10'11" from the damn screen. What I must have been measuring was 6' from the lens at the normal 17' throw! Like I said... whatta D-Bag I am!
I'll redo it this weekend after I sober up! Sorry to have wasted your time.