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post #31 of 377 Old 12-31-2010, 12:43 PM
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Great - let us know when you get the replacement projector up and running. Did you get Jason to do a calibration check on the one you have now?

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I thought I saw in a description somewhere that this projector had some form of motion enhancement. In going back over all of the reviews I have been unable to find this. And, in viewing the Sony model comparison chart I noticed that the 90 had MotionFlow and the 20 did not. What was it that I read that might hint at something like motion control?

Edit: "You can tweak the projector’s ‘film mode’ too, between an auto mode that smooths the appearance of motion while showing 2-3 or 2-2 pulldown video signals, or plays non-2-3/2-2 pulldown formats in a progressive format. Or you can turn this mode off completely." This was from the TrustedReviews article. I see it's for film. I'm interested in sports so I guess this 20 doesn't help me.

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I just got mine, review will follow in a few days








Out of the box colors are really good (movie mode gamma off)

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And all of this with 900 lumens !

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kraine, can you post your settings you are using or changed too? Thanks.
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Of course :

User 3 (cinema mode)
Color temp : low
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space color : standard
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Guys I just can't find how and where can I set film mode? I'm using hdmi input and film mode doesn't appear in the menu.

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kraine will you be getting a epson 21000 as well? I want FI and would be interested as to how it compares to the sony (which lacks FI). How is the panel alignment on the sony? Thanks for posting the review.
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My review is online :

http://www.audiovideohd.fr/tests/266...PL-HW20-0.html

In french of course
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Yes I'm expecting to get a sample of the EH-r2000 from EPSON in the following weeks.

The pannel alignment on the HW20 is almost perfect, wath the pic on my review.
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Yes I'm expecting to get a sample of the EH-r2000 from EPSON in the following weeks.

The pannel alignment on the HW20 is almost perfect, wath the pic on my review.

Nice. Any idea why the epsons are taking so long to appear?
About the panel alignment I have just seen your screen shots and hope you're joking! They're terrible. (the projector I mean the shots are great)
For example:
http://www.audiovideohd.fr/i/imgs/11468-5.jpg
http://www.audiovideohd.fr/i/imgs/11470-5.jpg
Everything looks out of focus, nothing is sharp, lots of chromatic abberation & misalignment, the letters and lines have nearly as much purple/blue/green as white!
The epsons have always been very bad in this department. See shot of EH-R4000 http://www.perfectimage.gr/wp-conten...0/re4000_4.JPG but I was hoping the sony would be better.
See pics below for what I consider sharp.
http://www.videovantage.com/wp-conte...ktop_large.jpg vs. http://www.videovantage.com/wp-conte...ktop_large.jpg
http://www.projectorreviews.com/imag...5_dts_logo.jpg vs. http://www.projectorreviews.com/imag...logo_large.jpg

Having said that the colour on the sony is extremely impressive. I freeze framed the two scenes of Madagascar & Montenegro from Casino Royale on my htpc and put your screenshots next to them. The colour/brightness/contrast/sharpness were very close.

I still haven't read your full review but will do when I have time.
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720p, don't be to rough but I'm a very bad photograph. One again, I can assure you that pannels alignments on the HW20 are excellents and sharpness as well.
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So I've watched had time to watch a few movies since setting everything up.

Unlike my previous projector's, I find myself getting lost in the movie instead of thinking, "Can I see screendoor now? What is the black level doing?"

That's not to say I haven't noticed anything. Some things I noticed (both pros and cons):
  • I do not see the screendoor effect on a 130" screen sitting 13 feet away. It was definitely visible on previous projectors.
  • The squareness for lack of better term is spot on. On my previous projector, the entire image looked trapezoidal.
  • The overall image is great including color, sharpness, black levels, etc.
  • I wish it had a tad more zoom left or even shorter (or is it longer?) throw distance, so I could get 150" at 15 feet.
  • Network TV even in HD has some weaknesses (which may be Comcast's fault). For example, the network bugs and score boxes look low def or upconverted with artifacts around them for many NFL games. The image is fanastastic for studio shots (Bob Costas, etc) but the wide shot of the field before the quarterback snapping doesn't look so hot. Then the shot of the coach on the sideline looks great. It's obvious to me there are vary levels of quality for the camera setups (probably having to do with the amount of zoom on their lenses for the different shots). Anyway, it has nothing to do with this projector per se, just something that bugs me.
Overall, I absolutely love the projector and can't imagine how much better another projector would be for this price. Reasons for choosing this projector: Throw distance and I wanted the panel shifting capability (turns out I don't need it).
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[*]I do not see the screendoor effect on a 130" screen sitting 13 feet away. It was definitely visible on previous projectors.[*]The squareness for lack of better term is spot on. On my previous projector, the entire image looked trapezoidal.[*]The overall image is great including color, sharpness, black levels, etc.[*]I wish it had a tad more zoom left or even shorter (or is it longer?) throw distance, so I could get 150" at 15 feet.[*]Network TV even in HD has some weaknesses (which may be Comcast's fault). For example, the network bugs and score boxes look low def or upconverted with artifacts around them for many NFL games. The image is fanastastic for studio shots (Bob Costas, etc) but the wide shot of the field before the quarterback snapping doesn't look so hot. Then the shot of the coach on the sideline looks great. It's obvious to me there are vary levels of quality for the camera setups (probably having to do with the amount of zoom on their lenses for the different shots). Anyway, it has nothing to do with this projector per se, just something that bugs me.[/list]Overall, I absolutely love the projector and can't imagine how much better another projector would be for this price. Reasons for choosing this projector: Throw distance and I wanted the panel shifting capability (turns out I don't need it).

I should have gone with 130" screen too. Mine is 120", wish I had gone bigger. The reason I didn't was because I thought the PQ would be very bad if I go bigger than 120"
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Anybodys knows where to look for film mode? I don't have it in the expert setting.

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Update...got the replacement PJ and it works like a champ (yes, even with the DVI cable and HDMI adapters). AVS was great about turnaround and support. I'm a very satisfied customer

Will play around with settings, give detailed impressions and take pics this weekend, but I can already tell I like this machine.
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Since some reviews from actual owners are coming in this is now on the top of my list along with the JVC HD250. Hopefully there will be some direct comparisons done between the two. I have usually stayed away from the Sony projectors due to the brightness and cost - I have 4 Sony HDTV's.

Did AVS give a good deal on this projector (not asking how much)?

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This projector is also on my short-list...I've taken the JVCs off.Some of the latest reviews rank this unit ahead of the JVC RS40 in 2D image. So assume the HW-20 would compete well against the HD250. Nice review Krane! It's either this one or the Epson 21000r now. Just waiting on the reviews comparing both before I pull the trigger. There's no where to see them in-person around here. I'll just have to go on a leap of faith.
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Being JVC HD250 backordered, this model has become my top option.
Where can I purchase this projector? thanks, Jose
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Since some reviews from actual owners are coming in this is now on the top of my list along with the JVC HD250.

Did AVS give a good deal on this projector (not asking how much)?

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Being JVC HD250 backordered, this model has become my top option.
Where can I purchase this projector? thanks, Jose

Sorry, I can't compare it to the JVC because I haven't seen both. Re: where to buy: I called Jason Turk who I think gave a very good price. No harm calling him and asking.
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Since some reviews from actual owners are coming in this is now on the top of my list along with the JVC HD250. Hopefully there will be some direct comparisons done between the two. I have usually stayed away from the Sony projectors due to the brightness and cost - I have 4 Sony HDTV's.

Did AVS give a good deal on this projector (not asking how much)?

Brightness is no problem with this PJ in my opinion. Very vibrant image, even with modest ambient light. As far as price, I felt like AVS provided excellent value whether for the JVC 250 or Sony Pro 1. Price differential between the 2 was in the ballpark of the Sony extra bulb value, whether comparing MSRPs or AVS prices.

Bottom line, I highly recommend calling them and I shop around for both price and service.
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This projector is also on my short-list...I've taken the JVCs off.Some of the latest reviews rank this unit ahead of the JVC RS40 in 2D image. So assume the HW-20 would compete well against the HD250. Nice review Krane! It's either this one or the Epson 21000r now. Just waiting on the reviews comparing both before I pull the trigger. There's no where to see them in-person around here. I'll just have to go on a leap of faith.

FYI, I think this unit suffers from the same bright-corner problems as the previous HW15 (which I briefly owned). There is no way I could live with that. For me, it totally ruined star fields and any other material with black backgrounds. I have also read the new Epsons suffer from the same problem. It seems like a universal design issue with all LCOS projectors with only recent JVC models being immune.
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FYI, I think this unit suffers from the same bright-corner problems as the previous HW15 (which I briefly owned). There is no way I could live with that. For me, it totally ruined star fields and any other material with black backgrounds. I have also read the new Epsons suffer from the same problem. It seems like a universal design issue with all LCOS projectors with only recent JVC models being immune.

Interesting - anybody able to confirm this issue with the Sony? Screenshots?
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Sony costs slightly more due their pricing structure; JVC is a better value IMHO. This might explain why the JVC is on back order.

As I said in the other JVC thread, we've finally got choices among LCoS projectors. Bring on the competition, so the prices would be more in line with the "new normal" economy.
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Interesting - anybody able to confirm this issue with the Sony? Screenshots?
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Common knowledge. See review here: http://www.avforums.com/review/Sony-...or-Review.html

Extracts from above review here:

"They only slight niggle I had was absolute image uniformity where there were signs of brighter corners on show with darker scenes, but this is just a small niggle and given the price point it is far from a deal breaker."

and here:

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Some signs of light corners in black out conditions less obvious in brighter rooms but at cost to contrast performance"
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Sony costs slightly more due their pricing structure; JVC is a better value IMHO. This might explain why the JVC is on back order.
According to Jason, the JVC is on backorder because they initially had a part problem that has prevented them from shipping the volume they wanted to ship. It is NOT primarily a value/demand issue (at least according to Jason).

As far as comparative value goes, the price differential is typically $350-$400, but the Sony comes with an extra bulb. I can't say which projector is "better" for me, much less for anyone else since I haven't compared them in person. However, Jason indicated to me that despite a few pros and cons for each, he felt they were very close in terms of overall quality/performance/features.

If you believe that and assume both projectors are equally "good" then the "value" difference is not very much once you factor in the extra bulb. While in general, I would favor saving the money and having the flexibility to decide when (or if) to buy my next bulb, the overall value was close enough for me that I picked the Sony due to the important feature of being "in stock".
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Have anyone been able to take any pictures yet?

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I've looked at the two competing models

JVC gives you more flexible placement options (motorised lens shift and zoom)
JVC have better native contrast and better blacks

Sony have a more accurate color gamut (can get very close to Rec.709)
Sony have sharper lens and therefore a shaper picture
Sony does fast motion handling a bit better

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....... However, Jason indicated to me that despite a few pros and cons for each, he felt they were very close in terms of overall quality/performance/features.

If you believe that and assume both projectors are equally "good" then the "value" difference is not very much once you factor in the extra bulb. While in general, I would favor saving the money and having the flexibility to decide when (or if) to buy my next bulb, the overall value was close enough for me that I picked the Sony due to the important feature of being "in stock".

Coming from Mitsubishi HD1000, the "ïn-stock" Sony certainly seems to be a significant upgrade. Let's see what deal I get from Jason.
Now, thinking ahead on the projector's placement, for a ceiling-mount set up, what's the vertical offset for a given image size? Is there a formula to determine the distance from the lens' center to the top of the image, for a given image width or height? Could someone estimate for me the offset for a 90" diagonal screen? thanks
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