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Edit 1/5/2011

It appears a moderator changed the title to include the Sony projector although I'm not sure how the Nvidia issue pertains to the Sony projector, I don't want anyone being misled by the title. I have asked one of the moderators why it was changed and to please fix it.

Several others have had varied success with the latest drivers, it looks like there is some progress being made. I installed a clean Win7 64bit setup and TMT5 and PDVD10 are working just the same as in the 32bit setup. I can get either app to change frequency from 60hz to 24 -> 24(FP) and back to 60hz. This is with the HDMI->VIDEO and DVI->AVR.

Another member had a positive experience with the Nvidia 450 card.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post19768530

Please continue to post your experience / issues with your current setup and be sure to provide as much detail about the setup as possible. thanks!



Edit: 1/4/2011

With the same gainward drivers, I also have PowerDVD10 (2113) workiing with 3D bluray and HD audio with no issues, I ran through 1/2 dozen or so 3D BD's and all played smooth in TMT5 and PDVD10.

This setup is with split video / audio

(Video HDMI -> projector)
(Audio DVI-HDMI -> Pioneer SC-07 1.3 AVR)

I understand at least 1 member is having an issue with the new drivers going through a 1.4 AVR. If anyone else has success with split mode and the new drivers, please post your experience.

I still have the Nvidia Dongle attached at this point even though I am using the JVC RS40 emitter / Xpand 103 glasses for 3D viewing. I will try to remove this as requested by a number of members to see if it's still working.

Video modes will switch from 1080p 60hz ->24hz -> 24 (FP) JVC 3D bluray frame packed mode and then back to 60hz if necessary.



edit: 1/3/2011

Gainward has posted a new driver that allowed me to sync the RS40 with the Nvidia GT430 Card. I am currently testing, but have it running in 60hz, 24 hz and 24 hz (FP) for 3D mode with HD audio. This is with splitting the Video over HDMI and audio over DVI to the 1.3 AVR.

http://www.gainward.com/main/download.php?vgapro=395

details after more testing




** The JVC RS40/50/60 has an issue with all Nvidia graphics cards from the 4x and 5x series. If you directly connect the graphics card to the JVC, the projector will think the resolution is 2880x1080 and will not sync. **

This information has been reported to Gary B in the UK, but there is no further information if this can/will be resolved in a firmware update. There has been an ongoing discussion the RS40 thread with a number of members trying different ATI solutions.

some of the current options:
  • run the nvidia card through a 1.4 capable AVR. Please post if you've had success with this setup, which AVR you are using, etc.

  • ATI 5450 - This is kind of working - I can get 3D BD playback via TMT5 and Powerdvd10 but not HD audio. The HD audio will drop out from time to time. This is surprising this card is working at all since it wasn't supposed to support 3D BD.

  • ATI 6850 / 6870 - Different reports on varying success with this card. Petri had some issues and couldn't get it working on his X7. This might have changed since 10.12 came out.


Please use this thread to discuss any solutions that are working including software, drivers, AVR setup, etc. thanks!
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Thanks for starting the thread, Jason. I'll post my results with an ATI 5770, Yamaha RX-A3000 and RS40, as soon as I get the projector. I already have that card, and if I have no luck getting it to work, I'll pick up an nVidia 430 and try it.

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FWIW, the same problem occurs with an ATI 6850 card (win7 x64, 10.12 drivers) when routing the ATI card through an Onkyo 507 AVR. Directly connected (ATI <-> JVC) there's no problem, but connected through the Onkyo, the ATI thinks it outputs 1080p24, but the JVC shows funny resolution information and no picture.
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FWIW, the same problem occurs with an ATI 6850 card (win7 x64, 10.12 drivers) when routing the ATI card through an Onkyo 507 AVR. Directly connected (ATI <-> JVC) there's no problem, but connected through the Onkyo, the ATI thinks it outputs 1080p24, but the JVC shows funny resolution information and no picture.

thanks for the info. Can you play 3D BD with HD audio with either PDVD10 or TMT5?

please let us know more about your setup.
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The problem occurs on other Epson projectors,Panasonic,JVC etc.
I have a RS-10 and has the same error situation. The problem is the NVIDIA drivers that do not recognize the EDID of VPR.
Go to this thread and read it all: http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=181468
we present the problem the development team driver seems to be very helpful, sorry for my English!
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I have no problem with my setup, but haven't been able to check 3D with the emitter.

Here is my setup:

Asus P5E with 8Gb of RAM
Core2Quad Q9750 @ 3.6Ghz
AMD/Sapphire HD6870
HDMI out to Denon 3311
DVI out to Dell Full HD monitor DVI In (for computer only duties)
HDMI out1 from 3311 to HDMI1 on X7 (for playing TV/movies)
HDMI out2 from 3311 to HDMI in on Dell Monitor (when I don't want to switch the X7 on).
I use only high quality High Speed HDMI cables, so make sure you have known good cables too.
Win7 x64 RTM
Catalyst 12.10 are NOT Supported yet by either TMT5 or PDVD10, so forget about them if you want HD Audio.

Install 10.10e hotfix over them (don't uninstall 12.10 before, you won't be able to install 10.10e).

I use the latest build of PDVD, and the only build of TMT5 with the MCE hotfix.

Also, if you clone your displays, unclone them and make sure the AVR is the primary, not the opposite.

To debug, make sure you select 24hz refresh, as some pixel size modes won't work at 60hz.

The most compatible pixel size mode is YCbCr 4-2-2, it should work at both 24hz and 60hz.

YCbCr 4-4-4 didn't work at 60hz initially, then after a bit of playing around it did. But I did get a blank screen for a while, so make sure you check that if that's what you get.

Best way to start is:
- If your displays are cloned, unclone them
- If your refresh rate is set to 60p, set it to 24p
- If your pixel size is set to anything else, set it to YCbCr 4-2-2 (you have to go to desktop and monitors, click on the little black triangle on the upper right corner of the monitor representing the AVR/JVC, select configure and click on the last option, pixel size.
- While you're there, you'll also want to change the scaling option to 100%, so that you don't have any black borders on the JVC display.
- If you still have issues, after having uncloned and set the refresh rate to 24Hz, try to disconnect your PC monitor and reboot, so that the JVC has to be the primary monitor.

Once you see the picture, you can start playing with the pixel size options, and the refresh rate options, and see what works/doesn't work.

I can bitstream HD Audio with no dropouts whatsoever, so if you get any, try copying an ISO to a fast local drive (ideally not the system drive) to rule out any network issue.


Hope this helps!

Good luck to everyone, I'll post to confirm or not if 3D is working when I get my emitter.
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Manni01 - thank you for taking the time to post your setup. I overnighted a Saphire 6850 from amazon and it should be here tomorrow. I just have to find a case to stuff this monster into, all my HTPC's at home are small boxes.

Within the next few days I'll get a system together with WIn 7 X64 and join in to see if we can come up with a solid solution for the JVC.

I'll be interested to know once you get the emitter if your OK sitting through a whole 3D movie without any dropouts.
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Zombie, can you please confirm that you have tried the nVidia card with the optional 3DTV play drivers? Otherwise, most nVidia cards are not capable of driving a standard 3DTV. You need these drivers to get them to work, as they are not HDMI 1.4 compliant without them.

Here is a link: http://www.guru3d.com/news/nvidia-3d...are-available/
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Seems to me that putting the card into 24p mode would be a prerequisite for getting 3D to work. If you try to send frame packing 3D out of the card at 60p (if it can even do it), the JVC probably wont' know what to do with the signal.

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The problem occurs on other Epson projectors,Panasonic,JVC etc.
I have a RS-10 and has the same error situation. The problem is the NVIDIA drivers that do not recognize the EDID of VPR.
Go to this thread and read it all: http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=181468
we present the problem the development team driver seems to be very helpful, sorry for my English!

interesting, I am reading through this now. Thank you for posting this information.
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Seems to me that putting the card into 24p mode would be a prerequisite for getting 3D to work. If you try to send frame packing 3D out of the card at 60p (if it can even do it), the JVC probably wont' know what to do with the signal.

Sure, but I don't want to be in 24hz when I play games or use my desktop.

So I'm in 60p by default, and I use AnyDVDHD to switch to the right refresh rate (60hz for NTSC DVDs, 50hz for PAL and 23hz for blurays or HD-DVDs) when an ISO/disc is loaded by MyMovies/MCE.

Many people would be in 60p by default, and may not realise that this refresh rate doesn't work with some pixel sizes.
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Zombie, can you please confirm that you have tried the nVidia card with the optional 3DTV play drivers? Otherwise, most nVidia cards are not capable of driving a standard 3DTV. You need these drivers to get them to work, as they are not HDMI 1.4 compliant without them.

Here is a link: http://www.guru3d.com/news/nvidia-3d...are-available/

This is odd though, there are other members who have the 430GT and used their HTPC with the Sony VW90 without an issue. I can't even get to a desktop display.. once the windows logo is cleared and the desktop starts to load, it immediately goes out of sync to 2880x1080.

Even if you boot into safe mode @ 640x480, the projector will think it's 1280x480... the only res it will show is the standard CGA 320x200 for DOS modes. I am not sure how this could be the drivers if we can't even get safe mode up a running on the JVC.
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This is odd though, there are other members who have the 430GT and used their HTPC with the Sony VW90 without an issue. I can't even get to a desktop display.. once the windows logo is cleared and the desktop starts to load, it immediately goes out of sync to 2880x1080.

Even if you boot into safe mode @ 640x480, the projector will think it's 1280x480... the only res it will show is the standard CGA 320x200 for DOS modes. I am not sure how this could be the drivers if we can't even get safe mode up a running on the JVC.

Apparently the 430 is one of the few if not the only nVidia card which is natively HDMI 1.4 compliant. I was considering a 460 at the time I made my purchase decision, and it would definitely have needed the 3DTV Play software layer to drive the JVC, which is why I decided to go for the AMD (all HD6xxx are natively HDMI 1.4 compliant).

If you are not using 3DTV Play, it may not be a bug. Your card is only able to drive nVidia proprietary monitors, it needs the optional ($40) software layer to drive a standard 3DTV.

Agreed that it should be able to show the DOS boot screen correctly though.
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Apparently the 430 is one of the few if not the only nVidia card which is natively HDMI 1.4 compliant. I was considering a 460 at the time I made my purchase decision, and it would definitely have needed the 3DTV Play software layer to drive the JVC, which is why I decided to go for the AMD (all HD6xxx are natively HDMI 1.4 compliant).

If you are not using 3DTV Play, it may not be a bug. Your card is only able to drive nVidia proprietary monitors, it needs the optional ($40) software layer to drive a standard 3DTV.

Agreed that it should be able to show the DOS boot screen correctly though.

I have spoken to a number of people in the HTPC threads that were using the 430GT and 460 to drive their Panasonic 3D display, another fellow was using it on his Sony LED in 3D mode, HD audio, etc.

Conan48 was using the 430GT on his Sony VW90 without the 3DTV play software as well. I believe the marketing material is confusing, but the general consensus in the HTPC thread is that the 3DTV play is so that you can play PC games on a 1.4 HDMI display. 3D bluray playback has been built into the Nvidia drivers since before the summer.

I can get the 430GT to sync on my Samsung LCD, Panasonic G15, Mitsubishi HC5500 from projector and the Acer 5360 DLP projector. I still feel like it's a problem with the JVC firmware.

Having said that, the 6850 should be here tomorrow. I know Petri couldn't get his 6870 working with the X7. I will follow your driver setup exactly. I do have the 3D emitter. I'll know in the first 10-15 minutes if it's working ok vs. my 5450 setup.

thanks again for your help.
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I have spoken to a number of people in the HTPC threads that were using the 430GT and 460 to drive their Panasonic 3D display, another fellow was using it on his Sony LED in 3D mode, HD audio, etc.

Conan48 was using the 430GT on his Sony VW90 without the 3DTV play software as well. I believe the marketing material is confusing, but the general consensus in the HTPC thread is that the 3DTV play is so that you can play PC games on a 1.4 HDMI display. 3D bluray playback has been built into the Nvidia drivers since before the summer.

I can get the 430GT to sync on my Samsung LCD, Panasonic G15, Mitsubishi HC5500 from projector and the Acer 5360 DLP projector. I still feel like it's a problem with the JVC firmware.

Having said that, the 6850 should be here tomorrow. I know Petri couldn't get his 6870 working with the X7. I will follow your driver setup exactly. I do have the 3D emitter. I'll know in the first 10-15 minutes if it's working ok vs. my 5450 setup.

thanks again for your help.

Things may have changed since the release of the 460, and the 3DBD driver may have been integrated into the main drivers since (in which case I owe an apology to Joseph Clark, as he was right). I haven't investigated nVidia since, as I had enough problems to get my AMD to work!
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Things may have changed since the release of the 460, and the 3DBD driver may have been integrated into the main drivers since (in which case I owe an apology to Joseph Clark, as he was right). I haven't investigated nVidia since, as I had enough problems to get my AMD to work!

Even if I was correct, the balance between my being right and my being wrong is so out of whack that I can't accept any apologies for at least 50 years.

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Manni01 - The 6850 arrived today. Wow this thing is huge, sharp contrast to my tiny 1/2 height GT430. This definitely will not fit the current PC I am using, I have to go to plan B.

The card has 2 DVI ports, 1 display port, 1 HDMI port. Any recommendations for hooking it up? My instinct is to use HDMI -> RS40 and one of the DVI -> HDMI -> Pioneer AVR.

Does it matter what DVI port to use for HD audio?

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thanks to the AVS member who explained that others are having issues with the Nvidia cards and their projectors (non JVC)

check this out, this is a post from an Nvidia employee discussing a driver patch in the next week or so. I am not sure if this is the same issue we are dealing with on the JVC projectors.

With my luck, they will fix it just after I forked out the $$ for the monster sized 6850 ATI card.

http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?s...c=181468&st=40

Posted 20 December 2010 - 04:49 AM
We have a bug fix which we believe will address the issues with these projectors. The fixes will be in the next driver release. The driver will be available the first week of January.
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Manni01 - The 6850 arrived today. Wow this thing is huge, sharp contrast to my tiny 1/2 height GT430. This definitely will not fit the current PC I am using, I have to go to plan B.

The card has 2 DVI ports, 1 display port, 1 HDMI port. Any recommendations for hooking it up? My instinct is to use HDMI -> RS40 and one of the DVI -> HDMI -> Pioneer AVR.

Does it matter what DVI port to use for HD audio?

thanks!

Is you AVR not HDMI 1.4?

My Denon is, so if yours is I would follow the setup I've listed above (HDMI out to AVR to JVC). If it isn't, you're on your own, I've never tried that. However I would do the opposite, i.e. HDMI (which contains audio) to AVR, and DVI (video only) to JVC.
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Is you AVR not HDMI 1.4?

My Denon is, so if yours is I would follow the setup I've listed above (HDMI out to AVR to JVC). If it isn't, you're on your own, I've never tried that. However I would do the opposite, i.e. HDMI (which contains audio) to AVR, and DVI (video only) to JVC.

negative on the AVR, my Pioneer SC-07 is HDMI 1.3. This is why the 430GT was a perfect solution, it worked fine with HDMI-> projector and DVI-> AVR, at least with my other 3D DLP projector.

I believe Petri and jjam_20 were also trying split Video / Audio with the ATI 6xxx cards with no luck. When you said it worked ok, I thought there was a breakthrough with the driver combo.

hmm.. I don't have my hopes up at this point, Petri is on the ball and tried endlessly to make this work without luck on the 6870. I'll still give it a shot with the 6850 or cross my fingers that Nvidia somehow fixes this in a driver update.

I don't want to upgrade my AVR at this point, I just bought the SC-07 last year and can't count on the new SC-37 working with the 1.4 passthrough anyway.
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negative on the AVR, my Pioneer SC-07 is HDMI 1.3. This is why the 430GT was a perfect solution, it worked fine with HDMI-> projector and DVI-> AVR, at least with my other 3D DLP projector.

I believe Petri and jjam_20 were also trying split Video / Audio with the ATI 6xxx cards with no luck. When you said it worked ok, I thought there was a breakthrough with the driver combo.

hmm.. I don't have my hopes up at this point, Petri is on the ball and tried endlessly to make this work without luck on the 6870. I'll still give it a shot with the 6850 or cross my fingers that Nvidia somehow fixes this in a driver update.

I don't want to upgrade my AVR at this point, I just bought the SC-07 last year and can't count on the new SC-37 working with the 1.4 passthrough anyway.

The main reason why I upgraded my AVR and video cards was to make sure the whole chain would be HDMI 1.4a. I really didn't want to split the audio and video, HDMI is already tricky enough as it is without any further complications. Hopefully it will work with 3D as well. For now, it seems to be working.
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Well after another few hours of testing last night with the 6870->4311->RS40. I think i may have found my stuttering problem. I had to enable the buffer i/o in virtual clone drive. After doing this i watched about an hour of a 3D movie with no issues. I wont completley say this fixed the issue until i can watch all of avatar with no stuttering.

I also went back to trying the 430->4311->RS40. This kind of works. you have to enable 3d vision in the control panel but once you do this the projector goes into 1080p24 FP even sitting on the desktop. Once you are in this state a 3d movies will play back in 3D and you have to disable 3d vision to get the projector out of FP mode. it does not activate and deactivate like with the ATI cards.
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Well after another few hours of testing last night with the 6870->4311->RS40. I think i may have found my stuttering problem. I had to enable the buffer i/o in virtual clone drive. After doing this i watched about an hour of a 3D movie with no issues. I wont completley say this fixed the issue until i can watch all of avatar with no stuttering.

I also went back to trying the 430->4311->RS40. This kind of works. you have to enable 3d vision in the control panel but once you do this the projector goes into 1080p24 FP even sitting on the desktop. Once you are in this state a 3d movies will play back in 3D and you have to disable 3d vision to get the projector out of FP mode. it does not activate and deactivate like with the ATI cards.

thanks for the heads up via PM, I didn't think to try the monitor cloning with the 5450. I'll try that 1 last time before i make room for the 6850.

I tried all ATI drivers from 10.10 to 10.12, including the 10.10e, realtek 2.49 and 2.55 and played around with reclock. Still skipping HD audio. It was worth a shot.

The 5450 would pass audio via DVI if the monitor was hooked up via VGA. As soon as the HDMI port becomes the primary display, it won't produce sound via the DVI port. It sounds like the 6850 is the same way. This is a shame, the 430GT handled HD audio via DVI without a problem.

I am closely watching the Nvidia forum discuss their alleged fix for some of the projector issues others have complained about. With any luck, maybe this can be resolved and I won't be stuck in ATI driver purgatory.
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as i stated in the pm the only way i could get audio and 3d out of the ati when the signals were seperated was to use that HDMI as audio and the DVI for video. Also there would be no audio unless i cloned the diplays. in theory it should work with cloning or extended but do not disable or you will not get audio.

as for the drivers even talking to some of the other guys here at work. 10.10e seems to be there last really stable release. So i would probably stick with that.
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Zombie I just wrote in the forum I also support Nvidia driver! Cross your fingers!
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?s...c=181468&st=60
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as already said, even the recent Nvidia cards are not really HDMI 1.4 but only compliant through the purchase of 3Dtv play
So with all these issues, I just ordered today my future PC with a crossfire of two ATI 6950.
I cross now my fingers that it is a good choice with my future projector, despite the fact that I am now aware that Nvidia could fix their bug in a next driver...
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Zombie I just wrote in the forum I also support Nvidia driver! Cross your fingers!
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?s...c=181468&st=60

thanks, I posted as well. It's interesting to know that others are having problems with their non-JVC projectors, I'm just not sure it's the same problem.

For a small HTPC, the 430GT is a very good solution and worked perfect with split video / Audio on my Acer 3D DLP projector. If it could sync to the JVC, I feel more confident in the Nvidia drivers than the ATI.

This 6850 is the size of a small car, I have to do some major rearranging to get one of my tower PC's free so I can install this monster.
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well after looking into this 3dtv play more there might be something to it. It may be semi working now but i think these drivers may be part of my problems with the 430. I am going to try this when i get home but from what i can tell the 3D Vision IR emitter has to be installed to enable the 3dTV play. WTF. Luckily i have one here at work i can take home and check

This is directly out of there setup guide.

Change the Windows resolution to the HD 3D mode
1080p, 1920x1080 with a refresh rate of 24 Hz. If you do not set this mode
and start watching a Blu‐ray 3D, the software player application will not be in
3D mode. Future Blu‐ray 3D software player applications will automatically
switch into an HDMI 1.4 3D mode.

Im starting to not like this 430 card!
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so more info from the setup guide.

"Turns 3DTV Play off and on. The 3D TV will
appear in 2D mode and the glasses will no longer
be needed. Note while 3DTV Play and the 3D TV
appear to not be working in 3D mode, you will
notice decreased performance when running your
games as NVIDIA 3DTV Play is still running and
rendering both frames for your 3D games. To
maximize performance when not using 3DTV Play,
switch to a HD or SD mode"


"When viewing a Blu‐ray 3D movie, set the Windows desktop resolution to the HD 3D
mode 1080p, 1920x1080 and 24 Hz refresh rate. See Step 10 on page 10 to change the
Windows resolution."


so from what i can tell what i am seeing right now without even plugging in the nvidia dongle is correct.

i dont think this card will be that usefull untill they fix the automatic 3d mode. I dont want to have to switch resolutions just to be able to play a 3d movie!

Disclaimer: all this info is from the Nvidia 3DTV Player User guide and may be out of date. but my results are lining up with what they are saying in this document.
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well after looking into this 3dtv play more there might be something to it. It may be semi working now but i think these drivers may be part of my problems with the 430. I am going to try this when i get home but from what i can tell the 3D Vision IR emitter has to be installed to enable the 3dTV play. WTF. Luckily i have one here at work i can take home and check

This is directly out of there setup guide.

Change the Windows resolution to the HD 3D mode
1080p, 1920x1080 with a refresh rate of 24 Hz. If you do not set this mode
and start watching a Blu‐ray 3D, the software player application will not be in
3D mode. Future Blu‐ray 3D software player applications will automatically
switch into an HDMI 1.4 3D mode.

Im starting to not like this 430 card!

interesting, please let me know what you find.

I just spent the last few hours going over all my PC's at home, i don't have a single one that will fit the 6850. What case / mobo combo are you running? It's time to spend more $$ and not even sure this will work with the split audio / video.
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