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Hello,
Can anyone give their views on the Runco LS3? Also how does it compare to the LS5?
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I have a planar pd-8130 currently which is the exact same model as the ls3 but the planar has a better video processor. Planar owns runco. I also compared it directly to a planar pd8150(runco ls5) my friend has and they are very similar. They use all the same components except the dlp chip. The 8130 has the hd2+ and the 8150 uses a darkchip3. Sharpness,intra image contrast,color,processing,motion, and just about everything else is exactly the same. The only difference we could discern was the 8150 has a hair better overall black level and barely. I would not pay the premium for the ls5 over ls3. They both are 2 of the best dlp's you can buy under 10,000 the only one better in my opinion is the samsung sp-a900b which I currently have also and it is more similar than different from the planar.
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Shepjk26,
Thanks for the post! I have one question; I looked at Runco's site online and the LS-5 has 5K more for its contrast ratio. Wouldnt that have a significant difference in contrast?
Shepjk26, Thanks once again,

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Hello,
Does anyone know if Runco is coming out with 3D technology to replace the LS-3? Or will they keep this model for some time?
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Hi,

I've seen in the specification of the Runco LS5 that has a Texas Instruments DMD chip with SuperOnyx Technology.

What chip DMD have exactly? Is the DarkChip 4 (DC4)?

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No Dark chip 3
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Hello everyone,
Just thought I would ask. Is runco coming out with a replacement for the LS-3? If not is their any insight into how soon it will be replaced!
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The Planar PD8150 is essentially the same as the Runco. (Planar bought Runco.) You'll find a lot of reviews on it. See www.ecoustics.com
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Hello,
Been researching the ls-3 and vw85. Has anyone done a comparison of these two Projectors?
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Hello,
Been researching the ls-3 and vw85. Has anyone done a comparison of these two Projectors?
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Rob

I bought the Runco LS5 and I compare this with the JVC X3 and Runco has more sharpness and detail than the JVC.
I prefer DLPs for this reason.

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Hello,
Has anyone compared these three front projectors? Im reseaeching and have it down to these three. Any input would be appreciated.
Thanks you for your time!

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In early February I stopped by a 'local' (20 miles away) HT store and they have a room with the potential of 3 projectors playing at the same time.

I was hoping to view LCD, LCOS and DLP all in the same room.

When we were there on Christmas eve, the DLP (Runco LS-3) had a dead lamp, so we got to see the JVC (can't remember model) at 2.35:1 and an Epson 9350.

During the February visit, the runco LS-3 was running with the Epson 9350, but the JVC had been sold and their replacement wasn't in yet.

However, watching about 20 minutes of "How To Train Your Dragon", if I was ready to buy a projector, I would have spent the extra coin for the Runco. Colors were brilliant, picture was crisp, clear, and i finally found out what people mean by the DLP 'pop'. It almost looked like 3D.

The only other DLP I had seen before that was an Optoma HD20 which a friend has and I was less than impressed.

I have yet to return to see the latest JVC they now have running to do a comparison between all 3 technologies.

We have moved the date for our own upgrade from our 720p Yamaha LPX-510 back to early to mid 2012, so there is no big rush for me to get all excited about something that 1) I can't get yet, and 2) may be obsolete by then.

But for my money the LS-3 completely destroyed the Epson 9350.

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Thanks,
For the info Jerry Im almost convinced to get the LS-3! I heard the LS-5 is just slightly better than the LS-3. The difference was slightly better black levels. If any one else has additional info I would appreciate that info.
Also if anyone did a direct comparison between the Sony VPL VW85; i would appreciate that also.
The VPL VW85 MSRPs for $7,000. The LS-3 for $,5000. Can anyone justify the price difference.
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The LS-5 has horizontal lens where the LS-3 only has vertical. Not a big deal unless you need it. I also have seen that the LS-5 has slightly better black levels over the LS-3.

The VW85 has motorized lens shift and zoom where the Runco's are manual. The VW85 is a great projector with very good optics (the Runco's are no slouch here either). Touch choice but for the cost, I think the Runco's are hard to beat.

I am a dealer for both brands and actually have an LS-3 and VW85 in the same room on a 110" screen. Both look great!

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Thanks again Jerry,
I have another question. One that you may not want to answer. Thr LS-3 has been around since the last quarter of '09. Is there a replacement in the future, or will it be around for some time?

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What sizes are the DMD chips in the Runco/Planars? .95"?
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What sizes are the DMD chips in the Runco/Planars? .95"?

Yes, they use the .95" DMD.
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The next step will probably, and this is just IMO, be a move to DC4 then maybe to .65 for the lower end models i.e. LS-3, 5 replacements. The LS-3 is a very good machine. I have seen it in action and it has great color. It will probably be around for another 6 months to year plus.

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Thanks David,
Im one step closer to getting the LS-3!

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Yes, they use the .95" DMD.

That's interesting as new DLP machines tend to use the .65" chips now. I have to say that I have been disappointed by the .65" chips in terms of sharpness. The .95" chips I have seen are much sharper. I used to have an Optoma HD80 which used a .95" Darkchip 2. Ultra sharp. I don't find the .65" chips any sharper than a well aligned DiLA machine, though obviously the lenses used have much to do with this. So if the LS-3 has a .95" Darkchip 3 that's great.
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Keep in mind the LS-3/5 aren't really 'new' models. The Planar 8130/50 on which they are based came out in 2008, before the .65" chip was available. Also the 8150 used the DC3 chip, while the 8130 used DC2. That may or may not still be the case for the LS-5 and the LS-3, but I suspect it is. The difference between the DC3 and DC3 likely accounts for the LS-5's somewhat better blacks.
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Hi all, old thread but im wondering if there has been any news about any changes coming etc to the ls-3?
im looking at a projector for sometime this fall and with one or two exceptions its seems that this PJ is about as good as it gets for $5k or less.

there doesnt seem to be much current info available, and strangely little conversation about what appears to be one of the premium PJs in the 3500 to 5000 range.

i like DLP tech for fast motion hockey, and as i understand for xbox as well, im setting up an approx 100" screen in a nice light controlled room (dark walls etc,) but would be interested in getting some current opinions vs some comparable projectors from you knowledgeable folks.

This would be my first projector, so despite reading and reading....and reading some more - its hard to beat first hand experience with Pjs

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If you are willing to wait a few more months Runco is going to announce a bunch of new projectors at CEDIA, however, that does not mean they will be available to buy right away. think more for the holidays.

The LS-3 is great. It is getting a long in the tooth though, but not much better is out there for the money even today.

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i think it would only be responsible of me to wait until after Cedia
i can also wait until the holidays, there is work to be done in the basement first.
itll be a whole new interesting debate im sure after the expo im sure.
ive tried to find new info about runco and what they're up to with respect to new products to see if they will be in the same ballpark for pricing but i think im being googled into a corner.....not very much in the way of relevant results.
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Yeah, hopefully at least one of those announced projectors will be an LED in a "never before seen" (low) price point.

See what an anamorphoscopic lens can do, see movies the way they were meant to be seen
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For those who care.......the LS-5/3 both use the 0.65 chip.
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I believe you mean the 0.95"

eg: http://www.videovantage.com/?p=11

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I believe you mean the 0.95"

eg: http://www.videovantage.com/?p=11
No, I stated 0.65.......

A direct call to RUNCO in Beaverton, Oregon clearly stated 0.65 DMD

Check it out yourself........
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Well that's unfortunate (and very surprising) as their Planar ancestors (8150/8130) used the 0.95" DMD.

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No, I stated 0.65.......

A direct call to RUNCO in Beaverton, Oregon clearly stated 0.65 DMD

Check it out yourself........

Based on what we know (these are Planar 8130/8150 projectors under the skin, which use the .95 DMD) and based on those that have seen them in action claiming similar sharpness performance, I am going to say that the person you talked to at Runco is wrong. Direct call or not.

I definitely would not consider cased closed because you talked to someone at Runco.
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