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Two new projectors from Sim2, all I currently know is the price:
the Crystal 35 for $6500
the Crystal 45 for $8500

Here are some pics:

http://www.avguide.com/article/sim2-...-3d-projectors

Anyone know anything else?

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post #2 of 169 Old 03-08-2011, 11:02 AM
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Thanks!!

Anybody know anything about these projectors?
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Thanks for that. I do wonder that those new projectors don't look as appealing Sim2 stylistically , but not alot of people (including me) can touch their projectors. I bet they'll be great performers.
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According to the press release, the industrial design is by Giorgio Revoldini. I suspect that the images don't convey the true look. But even if it were a plain black box, as long as it is extra bright and has decent contrast, it would represent something of a breakthrough for them...given the price.
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My local dealer just got a preliminary cut sheet on Crystal 35 & 45. He said he'd send me a copy. I'll post it as soon as it comes over.
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So where are the specs?
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OK I got it! Unfortunately it's in PDF form, so I can't scan and paste it. I'll just relate the key specs..

Crystal 35: Full HD (1080p) Dark Chip DLP, 2000ANSI Brightness, 35,000:1 Contrast, 1.62 - 2.43 Throw, 10Bit video processing, Dynamic Black, Brilliant Color, Manual Lens Shift
Crystal 45: 2600ANSI, 50,000:1 Contrast, same as above on everything else but with the addition of HQV video processing and Philips VIDI lamp technology.

Noise on both is stated as 31db and the cabinet size is 14.3 x 17.7 x 6.5.
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...Crystal 35: Full HD (1080p) Dark Chip DLP, 2000ANSI Brightness, 35,000:1 Contrast, 1.62 - 2.43 Throw, 10Bit video processing, Dynamic Black, Brilliant Color, Manual Lens Shift
Crystal 45: 2600ANSI, 50,000:1 Contrast, same as above on everything else but with the addition of HQV video processing and Philips VIDI lamp technology...
Thanks Pete. Has the specs on the the 2 Lumis models also released today increased? The 45 specs has higher (DB) contrast and similar lumens to their (non 3D) Lumis.
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What kind of lens shift? Any horizontal shift?
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OK I got it! Unfortunately it's in PDF form, so I can't scan and paste it. I'll just relate the key specs..

Crystal 35: Full HD (1080p) Dark Chip DLP, 2000ANSI Brightness, 35,000:1 Contrast, 1.62 - 2.43 Throw, 10Bit video processing, Dynamic Black, Brilliant Color, Manual Lens Shift
Crystal 45: 2600ANSI, 50,000:1 Contrast, same as above on everything else but with the addition of HQV video processing and Philips VIDI lamp technology.

Noise on both is stated as 31db and the cabinet size is 14.3 x 17.7 x 6.5.
Thanks for the great info! Can't wait to see the full specs.

Sim2 says these are "whisper quiet". Is 31 db really "whisper quiet"? I wonder how loud these would be 6 feet from my head?

Curious phrase: "The first in a series of high-end home entertainment projectors is the compact Crystal 35 and Crystal 45...". Are the C3X Lumis 3D Solo and 3D HC the rest of the series, or will there be more? What would be fantastic is a relatively affordable 3-chip design- even if it uses the smaller .65's.
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I should get the cut sheets tonight. Bo info yet on a cheaper 3 chipper. We do have info on the the HC Lumis and the 3D solo but these are much more expensive. It looks like Sim2 has once again risen to the top of the class in single chip DLPs at very attractive MSRPs.

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OK I got it! Unfortunately it's in PDF form, so I can't scan and paste it. I'll just relate the key specs..

Crystal 35: Full HD (1080p) Dark Chip DLP, 2000ANSI Brightness, 35,000:1 Contrast, 1.62 - 2.43 Throw, 10Bit video processing, Dynamic Black, Brilliant Color, Manual Lens Shift
Crystal 45: 2600ANSI, 50,000:1 Contrast, same as above on everything else but with the addition of HQV video processing and Philips VIDI lamp technology.

Noise on both is stated as 31db and the cabinet size is 14.3 x 17.7 x 6.5.

Thanks for posting the specs, they look very impressive. This ticks just about every box for me, the only question left for me is whether these are .65" or .95" DMDs.

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OK I got it! Unfortunately it's in PDF form, so I can't scan and paste it.

No, but you can attach it to a post...
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Sim2 says these are "whisper quiet". Is 31 db really "whisper quiet"? I wonder how loud these would be 6 feet from my head?

31 db is a lot more than a whisper to those who are sensitive to noise. I had a projector that was 32 db and I could barely stand it, but I was sitting about 4 feet from it.
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Whisper is relative. Its 2000 ANSI lumens and that will put out a bit of heat needing more fan speed for cooling. Many 2000 ANSI machines are between 33 and 36 db. So 31 db is whisper quiet for one of those. But I certainly wouldn't call it whisper quiet compared to a 1000 ANSI machine which might be 23 db or so.

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No, but you can attach it to a post...

Yeah, I don't get. Just attach the thing so we can view it.
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Sorry...I've not attached before here. Where's the paper clip or symbol I click on to do the attachment?
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Sorry...I've not attached before here. Where's the paper clip or symbol I click on to do the attachment?

Look just below the reply window and you will find a number of boxes, one which is labeled "Attach Files". Hit the "Manage Attachments" button and a new window will open which will basically walk you through the process.
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any idea of the speed of the color wheel? I am hyper-sensitive to RBE and avoided single chip DLP's for years. I can generally see the rainbows when others cannot.
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Since the CR is using Dynamic Black (no DLP has native CR that high), the big question is what are the real-world black levels.

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Since the CR is using Dynamic Black (no DLP has native CR that high), the big question is what are the real-world black levels.

Real world performance is just a guessing game until qualified reviews come in. With any luck though, the dynamic iris will work as well as my Lumis DI does. It's the only SIM projector I've owned, but it's by far the best projector I've owned. I'll be interested to read some reviews on these !

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...the only question left for me is whether these are .65" or .95" DMDs.

I also would like to know ...
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It looks like a key development of these projectors is the implementation of Philips VIDI lighting technology.

The Philips VIDI lamp is combined with Texas Instruments DLP CONTROLASIC for light "tuning" of brightness and contrast.

Here's a link for more information: http://www.lighting.philips.com/pwc_...chure_8p_b.pdf
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It looks like a key development of these projectors is the implementation of Philips VIDI lighting technology.

The Philips VIDI lamp is combined with Texas Instruments DLP CONTROLASIC for light "tuning" of brightness and contrast.

Here's a link for more information: http://www.lighting.philips.com/pwc_...chure_8p_b.pdf

Some googling reveals that Vidi has been used in other projectors including Benq's w6000. It seems to be some variation on/improvement of Brilliant Color. If you like those things you will probably like this.

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Ok...lets try the attachment routine. Here goes...

 

CRYSTAL Series Preliminary Data Sheet.pdf 262.6005859375k . file
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Oh hang on a minute...

Benq W6000 specs
2500 lumens
50,000:1 contrast ratio
16.85" x 6.14" x 13.58" (W x H x D)
audible noise 32db
Philips VIDI lamp tech
280w lamp
Throw Ratio, 1.62 ~ 2.43:1
6 segment color wheel

Crystal 45 specs
2500 lumens
50,000:1 contrast ratio
17.7" x 6.5" x 14.3" (W x H x D)
audible noise 31db
Philips VIDI lamp tech
280w lamp
1.62 - 2.43 Throw
6 segment color wheel

I really hope the extra $6000 doesn't just buy you a glossy box

To be fair, it was described as the successor to the D60

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I really hope the extra $6000 doesn't just buy you a glossy box

I was going to let someone else jump to that conclusion.

Not the first time something like this has happened.

Add HQV to that list also.

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Why doesn't ever seem to work the other way round?

"The new Benq Qumis projector 3 chip 1080p darkchip 4 only $10000!"

I mean, come on...



(for anyone who finds the above via a search for a mythical projector, this was just a joke)

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color wheel speed isn't listed in the technical specifications. any ideas?
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