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Optoma has announced plans to release new 3D projectors using a 1080p DLP light engine during July and August. I haven't seen any pricing information.

HERE is the story on the HD33 and HD8300 from the "Big Picture Big Sound" web site. According to this article (which seems to use information directly from the Optoma press release - see quotes below), 3D support seems to be full 1080p 3D capability with the HD8300 but for the HD33 it will initially be limited to 720p in 3D mode even though it has a 1080p light engine (the word "initially" implies that there are plans to update it to 1080p 3D support in the future). Quotes from the above article are below:
With more 3D TVs flooding the market, it's only natural that projector manufacturers would follow suit. Optoma was an early seller of 3D-capable DLP projectors, but these were all limited to 720p (1280x720 pixels) resolution. This summer Optoma will add two more options to the 3D line-up, and this time they're offering full HD resolution (1920x1080 pixels) projectors with 3D capabilities: the new models are the HD8300 and HD33.

Optoma's HD8300 features the latest 1080p DarkChip3 DLP technology from Texas Instruments, as well as a 30,000:1 contrast ratio with DynamicBlack, 1300 lumens of brightness, True 10-Bit Full HD processing and 3-Stage Optoma Image processing. Promising over 1.07 billion colors, this projector also has the PureMotion2 processing engine, which boasts super-smooth, judder-free images for a better overall viewing experience.

Because this is a 1080p full HD 3D-ready projector, it's compatible with 1080p 3D, 720p 3D, HD (1080i/p, 720p), EDTV (480p/576p), NTSC, PAL, and SECA. The company also lists the projection distance as 4.9 to 32.8 feet, delivering images from 29.8 to 297.3 inches. Optoma says that the HD8300 should start shipping by mid-July.

In August, Optoma says they will release the HD33 (or HD3300 - model number details are still a little sketchy). This model also features a 1080p DLP imaging engine and will support 3D sources, but initial specs say that 3D support will be limited to 720p resolution. The HD33 will be compatible with NTSC, PAL, SECAM, SDTV (480i), EDTV (480p), and HDTV (720p, 1080i/p) formats. The HD33 can also do 120Hz Frame Sequential 3D for resolutions up to 720p and 60Hz Field Sequential 3D for resolutions up to 480i -- with compatible 3D glasses, of course.

Other HD33 features include 1800 ANSI lumens of brightness and contrast ratio of 4000:1. This one is also rated for a slightly larger maximum image than the HD8300 -- up to 301.1 inches -- but you'll need a lot of space (and a very dark room and/or high grain screen) to come anywhere close to that.

UPDATE: Optoma will also be releasing a third new 3D projector, model HD3300, is which is closer to the HD33 in specs. but is supposed to to support 1080p resolution for 3D.

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It's a bit strange that no price range/ballpark was given. Also, does the thing have DisplayPort or dual-dvi to support 1080p at 60 frames in 3D ? (PC gaming in 3D)
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I'm definitely excited about this - particularly as its got lens shift so can work optimally with my HP screen
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I'm definitely excited about this - particularly as its got lens shift so can work optimally with my HP screen

I couldn't find anything about lens shift in the articles. Please confirm this.
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Yes, lens shift is one interesting point. Also, is this a development following the steps of the HD86/87 or more back to the HD82 (which was not a perfect design with its limited lens shift and limited lens options).

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I couldn't find anything about lens shift in the articles. Please confirm this.

On more investigation I think its similar to the HD8200 - the lens shift doesn't allow the projector to mounted centrally to the screen - its range is from a bit below (or above) the screen to a bit more below (or above) the screen.

Look at this link under specifiaction http://www.complete-it.ca/projector/OptomaHD8300.php
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As for the prices for these new Optoma 1080p 3D projectors, the HD8300 seems to be an upgrade/replacement for the HD8200. That earlier model carried a list price of $4999 and currently has a typical street price of around $3600 (from sources such as Amazon). Even though the HD8300 will be adding 3D support there has been a general trend for prices to come down with each new generation, I would expect the street price of the HD8300 to be somewhere between $3000 and $3600. If it turns out that the HD8300 has a street price of near $3K then the HD33 and HD3300 may have street prices down in the 1.5K to $2K range (perhaps closer to $1.5K for the HD33 and $2K for the HD3300). All of this is just speculation on my part.

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http://db2.widescreenreview.com/blog_detail.php?id=746

http://translate.google.com/translat...300-et-hd33%2F

The Optoma HD3300 also loads a chip Acronym Chip 0.65 "DarkChip 2 DMD DLP, therefore compatible DLP 3D 1080p with HDMI 1.4, support for technologies Syde-by-Side, Top & Bottom, or 3D sequential 3D Blu-ray, input. Against it by in the characteristics that change a little with a brightness of 1900 lumens for contrast much lower than the HD8300, 5000:1, therefore much less deep black (no DynamicBlack technology) and compensation movement is a PureMotion (not PureMotion2 the HD8300), but the BrilliantColor is of course present...

Note: these sources contradict themselves and each other...
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You can also add the Optoma HD83, the European version of the HD8300 : Price expect to be under 3000 euros.

http://www.cinetson.org/phpBB3/proje...os-t33902.html
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I predict the 8300 will have the the higher pure motion, the 3300 the lower one and the 33 none. I also predict the 33 to come in around 1k, the 3300 about 1.5k, and the 8300 somewhere in the 2k area but not sure what they are going to throw in there. Anything above 3k for the 8300 better have some bells and whistles. After all, there has not been a lot of news in the DLP area lately unless they put a LED light engine in there. Then you will have my attention.
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The Optoma HD3300 also loads a chip Acronym Chip 0.65 "DarkChip 2 DMD DLP, therefore compatible DLP 3D 1080p with HDMI 1.4, support for technologies Syde-by-Side, Top & Bottom, or 3D sequential 3D Blu-ray, input. Against it by in the characteristics that change a little with a brightness of 1900 lumens for contrast much lower than the HD8300, 5000:1, therefore much less deep black (no DynamicBlack technology) and compensation movement is a PureMotion (not PureMotion2 the HD8300), but the BrilliantColor is of course present...

Note: these sources contradict themselves and each other...

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I predict the 8300 will have the the higher pure motion, the 3300 the lower one and the 33 none. I also predict the 33 to come in around 1k, the 3300 about 1.5k, and the 8300 somewhere in the 2k area but not sure what they are going to throw in there. Anything above 3k for the 8300 better have some bells and whistles. After all, there has not been a lot of news in the DLP area lately unless they put a LED light engine in there. Then you will have my attention.

The current 720p 3D DLP projectors are so good at 3D that anything above $2,000.00 for a 1080p is going to be a very hard sell for me. Those cheap 720p 3D DLPs have the lumens needed for 3D and any drop in this department is going in the wrong direction IMO. This sounds dumb, but I'll wager that the difference between 1080p and 720p and 30,000:1 C.R. and 4,000:1 C.R. in the real world will be slight once the glasses are on and the higher lumens that the cheaper model has will more than make up for it.
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The current 720p 3D DLP projectors are so good at 3D that anything above $2,000.00 for a 1080p is going to be a very hard sell for me. Those cheap 720p 3D DLPs have the lumens needed for 3D and any drop in this department is going in the wrong direction IMO. This sounds dumb, but I'll wager that the difference between 1080p and 720p and 30,000:1 C.R. and 4,000:1 C.R. in the real world will be slight once the glasses are on and the higher lumens that the cheaper model has will more than make up for it.

Doesn't performance in 2D lack with the 2d 720p DLPs though?
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Doesn't performance in 2D lack with the 2d 720p DLPs though?
Well yes they seem to and while not bad, I returned my GT720. What is true and mentioned just above is how well they can do 3d. If I can get a reasonably priced 1080p unit that can also do good 3d, then I might abandon my two projector idea. I am really close to just buying the 8350 which is on sale here locally and getting a GT750 when it comes out for outside viewing and my 3d inside on the same screen. This will be far cheaper than any single 1080p 3d unit available now but provide me with a ton of flexiblity.

There is no way I would take a Sharp 1700 outdoors. The 750, no problem, short throw, built in speakers and surely bright as heck. On the other hand I could get the JVC 250 and not bother with the outdoor thing and continue to use my RP DLP 61" unit for 3d. That would be a really great 1080 picture I am sure, but no 3d.

Bottom line for me, I have 3d. I don't mind spending money for a good 1080 unit but I would like to expand my 3d viewing experience. The Sharp would pretty much hang on the ceiling and that is it. Now a 8350 could do the same, and a GT750 could use the same screen or any wall, or go outside at night with its' built in speakers. Let's do the math, less than 2K (8350 + Gt750) vs the 3k plus Sharp. Hmmm. It is all about your lifestyle.

Now back to these units. Projectorcentral has posted them as announced. The HD33 and HD3300. We all know that. Those spec sheets show them to be identical, just look at the new projector announcement section. I take that with a grain of salt but cannot help but notice the lack of 120hz specs. I am not smart enough to know how important that is but do note that all good 720p 3d PJs do it. I guess the 1.4 1080p units may not need that but uhhmm, I am squirming in my chair.

In my opinion we are in a stupid limbo land where we have accepted that projectors are disposable after a year or two. I have no problem saying that I am very interested in the CRE LED units for longevity purposes but I can't ignore the excellent Epson warranty AND customer service. Viewsonic has one of the best warranties but abysmal support. I think most folks will be able to predict where I am headed with my money and I am not sure I need to wait much longer. I have little faith in the immediate future but my big screen viewing is about to get bigger for movie watching only. We watch TV mostly and the 61" Samsung RP LED unit is just fine for that.
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Spoke with 4 different people from Optoma California today, only one of them knew something about these projectors. He said the HD33 should be released sometime in October. He also said the HD33 is going to be $1500 to $2000 price range. Keep in mind that the HD33 doesn't do 3D in full hd 1080p. He had no info on the HD8300.


Does anyone have any more info?
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It appears as though they removed access to the beta site. I did download the following data sheets. Take a look at the HD3300, it appears from what I read that it does support 1080P 3D. What does everyone else think?

 

HD33.pdf 83.51171875k . file

 

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It appears as though they removed access to the beta site. I did download the following data sheets. Take a look at the HD3300, it appears from what I read that it does support 1080P 3D. What does everyone else think?

From what I had previously seen it appeared the big difference between the HD33 and the HD3300 is the HD33 only displays 720p in 3D mode (but 1080p in 2D) while the HD3300 supports 1080p in 3D as well as 2D. The data sheet for the HD3300 contains some obvious errors where in the summary at the top of the page it says 1900 lumens and CR of 5000:1 but further down the same page in the more detailed specs. it says 1800 lumens and 3000:1 CR.

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Update from an Optoma Sales Rep:

The HD8300 will be around $4500 and will be released by the end of August (He said around 3 weeks from today)

The HD3300 will be $1999 and will support 3D 1080p. It will be released around he same time frame as the HD8300.

The HD33 will support 3D 1080p (according to the sales rep) (even after I told him the pre-launch product sheet said 720p 3D). I didn't get a price on the HD33, but it is going to be cheaper than the HD3300 for sure, I would guess from $1500 to $1800. It will also be released in this same time frame.

The rep also said the HD3300 is basically the same as the HD33, just with a different firmware version. (Like the HD180 and the HD20)

Has anyone else heard anything?
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The sales rep I spoke with a few weeks ago indicated that the HD33 and HD3300 were near identical products except for their sales channels. That gives to evidence to the idea that they are both 1080P 3D.
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Well yes they seem to and while not bad, I returned my GT720. What is true and mentioned just above is how well they can do 3d. If I can get a reasonably priced 1080p unit that can also do good 3d, then I might abandon my two projector idea. I am really close to just buying the 8350 which is on sale here locally and getting a GT750 when it comes out for outside viewing and my 3d inside on the same screen. This will be far cheaper than any single 1080p 3d unit available now but provide me with a ton of flexiblity.

There is no way I would take a Sharp 1700 outdoors. The 750, no problem, short throw, built in speakers and surely bright as heck. On the other hand I could get the JVC 250 and not bother with the outdoor thing and continue to use my RP DLP 61" unit for 3d. That would be a really great 1080 picture I am sure, but no 3d.

Bottom line for me, I have 3d. I don't mind spending money for a good 1080 unit but I would like to expand my 3d viewing experience. The Sharp would pretty much hang on the ceiling and that is it. Now a 8350 could do the same, and a GT750 could use the same screen or any wall, or go outside at night with its' built in speakers. Let's do the math, less than 2K (8350 + Gt750) vs the 3k plus Sharp. Hmmm. It is all about your lifestyle.

Now back to these units. Projectorcentral has posted them as announced. The HD33 and HD3300. We all know that. Those spec sheets show them to be identical, just look at the new projector announcement section. I take that with a grain of salt but cannot help but notice the lack of 120hz specs. I am not smart enough to know how important that is but do note that all good 720p 3d PJs do it. I guess the 1.4 1080p units may not need that but uhhmm, I am squirming in my chair.

In my opinion we are in a stupid limbo land where we have accepted that projectors are disposable after a year or two. I have no problem saying that I am very interested in the CRE LED units for longevity purposes but I can't ignore the excellent Epson warranty AND customer service. Viewsonic has one of the best warranties but abysmal support. I think most folks will be able to predict where I am headed with my money and I am not sure I need to wait much longer. I have little faith in the immediate future but my big screen viewing is about to get bigger for movie watching only. We watch TV mostly and the 61" Samsung RP LED unit is just fine for that.

I might go with a 3 projector set up. I have my RS40 and I'm tempted to sell it, but I have one of the good units that doesn't ghost on blu rays. Plus, 2D is great, especially blu rays. Then, I'm going with a 500 lumen led, maybe the Optoma ML500. The Optoma gt750 looks really good with 3000 lumens, which can be taken outdoors on my 220in inflatable screen.

But if I hear good reviews about these 1080p Optomas that does 3D, I might jump ship, but I doubt they can compete with JVC in 2D.
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i have downloaded a couple of weeks ago these pre-launch datasheets with pictures that were on optoma website by mistake

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so you think it can do 1080p 120hz over VGA?
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I don't see anything on the specs about lens shift. None?
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Optoma has new website
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The new 3D projectors are listed.
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(Sorry for the 3 previous posts but can't post URLs until you have at least 3 posts, but here it is!!!!)
Optoma has new website with the HD3300 (Guess they dropped the HD33) and the HD8300 3D projectors listed, but still no prices.

http://www.optomausa.com/products/En...er/Home-Cinema

HD3300
http://www.optomausa.com/products/detail/HD3300


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(Sorry for the 3 previous posts but can't post URLs until you have at least 3 posts, but here it is!!!!)
Optoma has new website with the HD3300 (Guess they dropped the HD33) and the HD8300 3D projectors listed, but still no prices.

http://www.optomausa.com/products/En...er/Home-Cinema

HD3300
http://www.optomausa.com/products/detail/HD3300


HD8300
http://www.optomausa.com/products/detail/HD8300

From reading the specs of the 8300, it looks like a fixed offset projector. The offset is mild (8.32" for a 106" screen)
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Does anyone know if the 8300 will have a dual Iris? I remember reading somewhere that it had both a manual and dynamic iris, but can't find it anywhere on the spec sheets.

I manual Iris would be a huge plus for me. I find that the 8200 is plenty bright in low lamp setting and really wished I could clamp down the Iris for darker movies.

Also, Im assuming it's using the same 6x colour wheel? This things looks like a rebadged 8200 with 3D support. Not sure if that's a good or bad thing, but it would be nice if Optoma released a higher end version with dark chip 4 instead.

Hopefully Mitsubishi has a higher end 3D model.
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Does anyone know if the 8300 will have a dual Iris? I remember reading somewhere that it had both a manual and dynamic iris, but can't find it anywhere on the spec sheets.

I manual Iris would be a huge plus for me. I find that the 8200 is plenty bright in low lamp setting and really wished I could clamp down the Iris for darker movies.

Also, Im assuming it's using the same 6x colour wheel? This things looks like a rebadged 8200 with 3D support. Not sure if that's a good or bad thing, but it would be nice if Optoma released a higher end version with dark chip 4 instead.

Hopefully Mitsubishi has a higher end 3D model.

The HD8300 probably has a single iris that can be operated in auto (dynamic) mode or in manual mode.

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