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kraine, in your opinion, is the incremental cost of the 95ES worth the incremental benefits over the 30ES?
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kraine, in your opinion, is the incremental cost of the 95ES worth the incremental benefits over the 30ES?

I was wondering this too. Although at approximately twice the cost I wouldn't necessarily describe it as incremental.
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kraine, in your opinion, is the incremental cost of the 95ES worth the incremental benefits over the 30ES?

I will answer only regarding my tastes. I love punchy picture with a lot of brightness and in this case, the only solution for me is to choose the HW30ES. The VW95ES coast twice the price of the HW30ES and didn't produce twice a better picture.
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Thanks. Can you please measure at the olongesto throw (along with a fresh measurement of short throw to account for any light loss since you last measured) and let us know what the percentage of light loss is at longest throw compared to shortest? Thanks!

Sorry it's too late, my sample is travelling back to SONY.
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I will answer only regarding my tastes. I love punchy picture with a lot of brightness and in this case, the only solution for me is to choose the HW30ES. The VW95ES coast twice the price of the HW30ES and didn't produce twice a better picture.

I use this same thought process as well. I've paid the extra on items several years ago and while I enjoyed it I now think my money could have been used more wisely even though the extra cost didn't break the bank. That's why IMO the price difference going from a HW30ES to the VW95ES or an RS45 to an RS55 is just too high. Yes, the added features/minimal performance difference is nice but the ratio in the increased price is simply a cash grab for manufacturers.
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No news.

Now your screen is about 50 sq feet in wide mode. Assuming you get say 600 Lumens after some bulb aging and calibration (and I am just picking a number rather arbitrarily, that gives you 15 to 16 ft lamberts using an anamorphic lens.

Mark my screen is 15 feet from the projector lense.
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I just wish I knew if the Sony HW30 is better than the new JVC 45. I would order it now. Oh the pain of waiting.
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Sorry it's too late, my sample is travelling back to SONY.

No problem. If you had to guess, what would you say the light loss % is with the furthest throw compared to shortest?

Also it looks like you measure the VW30 at 858 lumens in low lamp and the VW95 at 495 in low lamp. Is that correct? Wow that makes the 30 about twice as bright? Can this be right?

Do the blacks on the VW95 still look great in high lamp mode?
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I will answer only regarding my tastes. I love punchy picture with a lot of brightness and in this case, the only solution for me is to choose the HW30ES. The VW95ES coast twice the price of the HW30ES and didn't produce twice a better picture.

The 95ES doesn't really cost twice as much as the HW30ES, though, does it? At least, in the US, the MSRP of the HW30 is $4000 (with the emitter/glasses). The MSRP of the VW95ES is $7000, isn't it?
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The 95ES doesn't really cost twice as much as the HW30ES, though, does it? At least, in the US, the MSRP of the HW30 is $4000 (with the emitter/glasses). The MSRP of the VW95ES is $7000, isn't it?

Its not quite double the street price, but its effectively pretty darn close - maybe something like 1.8x give or take.
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Kutlow. They are both better than the other. The HW30 is better than the RS45 and the RS45 is better than the HW30. And you can take that to the bank. And don't get confused by anybody who tells you differently.

And BTW. Here we go again though Kraine was careful in his evaluative concluson. Improvement is not linear to cost, It normally never is. And to some this counts a lot and somehow conclude that some magic price and quality is the optimum choice despite budget being the real driving criterion for many or that one quality such as brightness, on off, is the most important thing in selecting a projector. Of course, that position requires a judgement that that element of PQ outweighs everything else. Nothing wrong with that. Its your choice. Me with a 110 inch D 1.78, 1.3 gain short throw set up, I would choose a the 95 over the 30 in a heart beat especially at a street say $2K higher.

Ric. We will be shipping out these (VPL-vw95AES) projectors to a whole bunch of forum members by mid next week and user repoprts will start trickeling in the following week. I won't be able to lay my hands on one until the second batch is shipped to us. But you can come over when I get it.
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"Quote"-Kutlow. They are both better than the other. The HW30 is better than the RS45 and the RS45 is better than the HW30. And you can take that to the bank. And don't get confused by anybody who tells you differently.
............I have to agree to disagree with you Mark. I think the RS45 is better than the HW30 and the HW30 is better than the RS45.

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while we are waiting :

here is the 30 and the 90 side by side ( dont look in the middle, there are some panels overlap ) - taken with a "normal" old digital camera and yes Im not a photograf :

BTW its the 90ES to the left, when you look at the picture. ( and done on my 2,8 gain 2.40:1 screen )
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DJ,

More please?

Perhaps during playback of various movies.

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I am leaning to the 95 but am struggling with the higher price. How much better is the 95?
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from dj's pictures the 90 is clearly substantially darker.
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DJ,

More please?

Perhaps during playback of various movies.


Can´t do it, because I dont have the 90ES anymore ( sold it, because I get the 95ES ) and the 30ES is delivered back - it was very good, but not in the same league as the 90/95ES

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That is good to know, i'm expecting my 95 will be here tommorow, or tuesday.

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d.j.

I am leaning to the 95 but am struggling with the higher price. How much better is the 95?


If you can afford it, it will be every penny word it IMO if not, dont be sad because the 30ES delivered a lot for the money.

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from dj's pictures the 90 is clearly substantially darker.

You are correct the black level is much better ( black bars was much darker ) , the sharpness overall was better and everything was in generel working better , faster,preciser and more stable ( like changing HDMI or dectect 3D signal ).

the 30ES is brigther, the 90ES in high lamp mode was like the 30Es in low mode , but the 90ES is quiter then the 30ES !


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You are correct the black level is much better ( black bars was much darker ) , the sharpness overall was better and everything was in generel working better , faster,preciser and more stable ( like changing HDMI or dectect 3D signal ).

the 30ES is brigther, the 90ES in high lamp mode was like the 30Es in low mode , but the 90ES is quiter then the 30ES !


dj

Great. Thanks for the impressions. Although the 30 is tempting, I would prefer the 95. If I need extra brightness like for sports I may put the 95 into high lamp mode. Normally I don't like high lamp mode on projectors because of the fan. But several people now have said the 95 in high lamp mode is quiet like other pjs in low lamp mode. Then for dark movies and such I would just put it into low lamp.
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Great. Thanks for the impressions. Although the 30 is tempting, I would prefer the 95. If I need extra brightness like for sports I may put the 95 into high lamp mode. Normally I don't like high lamp mode on projectors because of the fan. But several people now have said the 95 in high lamp mode is quiet like other pjs in low lamp mode. Then for dark movies and such I would just put it into low lamp.


In the 90Es I just did two identisch adjustment ( like cinema1 and user 1 ) and then the one in low lamp mode and the other with high - then you just use the one wich fits your/ or the film best with one tuch of a button .

BTW. I never used the 90ES in high mode ( only in 3D ), always low, but I have two screens - a 100" 4:3 studiotek 130 micropf gain 1.3 ( 92" 16/9 ) and a 100" wide 2.40:1 gain 2.8 primary for 3D and sometimes cinemascope.

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Would be great to see these kind of comparisons that d.j. did, also for the Sony 95 vs the JVC RS55 (when it's available).
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Would be great to see these kind of comparisons that d.j. did, also for the Sony 95 vs the JVC RS55 (when it's available).

Even vs the RS50 would be interesting.
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