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Sure convergence is good... dead pixels is good... not sure that dead pixels is common but would hate to have them.

See if the convergence has been adjusted or you don't really know about the convergence. That said... the refurb I bought from AVS needed a small convergence adjustment and that's no big deal.

I would go get it (esp if I didn't already have one.).. I was thrilled to get one for at least 3x that price.

In the service menu you can check total pj hours. (Operation hours not lamp hours.)
Thanks! So I want to check if convergence has been changed at all...which would indicate it may have had some issues? Sorry, I'm still a projector newbie.

And good to know I can check hours via the service menu. I want to know if it really has only seen 250 hours of use or if he changed the lamp and is fibbing a bit. I'll look up how to do that.

I know the picture will beat a BenQ 1070, but overall consideration of condition, lamp hours/replacement costs, gaming, 3D, all in play here for me. But still, if the plain old 2D picture is really that much better, it might be worth it, especially if it really is basically new at 250 hours.

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Ok, so I found that "enter, enter, left, enter" gets me to the service menu. Does it say clearly there on the screen what the operational hours are? I'm going to look at this HW30 on Saturday. I'm leaning more towards buying it now and taking a chance if it demo's ok. Thanks!

Will this thing be bright enough in a room with some ambient light? Mostly after the lights are out...Projector central calculator gives me a light output of 19 ft lb with a 1.0 gain screen. 90% light out with a bit of ambient light and 10% late in the day tv events.


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I think the bottom option in the menu is Information and that shows the lamp hours but when you are in the service menu it also shows the operational hours.

Good luck.. hope it works out..... I love the heck out of mine... Even 3D. I just bought an extra 2 spare pairs of PS3 3D glasses for $6 each on Amazon. (I thought they were a great deal when they were $20 but .... $6! )

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Awesome! Thanks for the help Brian.
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Going to look at this one today. Man, I'm torn. 900 seems like an outstanding price, but I'm boned if something goes wrong with it. This is the kind of decision that wears on me. My desire for a deal vs piece of mind. Seller seems legit though.
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$900?

It is all about quality. That is the picture.
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$900?
Yep. 900. Claimed only 249 hours on it total.

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Going to look at this one today. Man, I'm torn. 900 seems like an outstanding price, but I'm boned if something goes wrong with it. This is the kind of decision that wears on me. My desire for a deal vs piece of mind. Seller seems legit though.
If you can see it in action ... that takes a LOT of the risk away.

Plus... you aren't totally lost if something goes wrong... Sony can fix these things.

I think the MSRP was $3000 or more on these.....

But, hey.... you have to make your own choices.... I know I'd jump in it but I'm actually loving the deal I got on mine from AVS... And feels good to buy from AVS after spending a decade hear learning every type of thing.
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Going to look at this one today. Man, I'm torn. 900 seems like an outstanding price, but I'm boned if something goes wrong with it. This is the kind of decision that wears on me. My desire for a deal vs piece of mind. Seller seems legit though.
If you can see it in action ... that takes a LOT of the risk away.

Plus... you aren't totally lost if something goes wrong... Sony can fix these things.

I think the MSRP was $3000 or more on these.....

But, hey.... you have to make your own choices.... I know I'd jump in it but I'm actually loving the deal I got on mine from AVS... And feels good to buy from AVS after spending a decade hear learning every type of thing.
I have no idea what the repair bills would be for something like this, but I will get to see it in action. I even brought star trek, Star Wars, and Oblivion to demo it. Gonna check hours, convergence, and flicker.

I'm getting the impression I would be crazy to pass this at 900 even without a warranty...
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Yeah.... I'd say crazy to pass up at $900... totally agree with that.

If it works.

Reminds me of an article about how to buy a used Hot Tub ... They recommend never buying a empty (dry) one.... You can tell a lot about the condition seeing it functioning.
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Thanks for the help guys! It turns out the seller was a super cool older guy who actually used to work for ILM and then Pixar! I was totally comfortable with the sale, and his knowledge of A/V exceeded mine. Verified 261 operational hours, about a year and a half old, and well tested w Star Trek and Star Wars. No issues at all. I am very happy with this.

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Thanks for the help guys! It turns out the seller was a super cool older guy who actually used to work for ILM and then Pixar! I was totally comfortable with the sale, and his knowledge of A/V exceeded mine. Verified 261 operational hours, about a year and a half old, and well tested w Star Trek and Star Wars. No issues at all. I am very happy with this.

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I'm very happy for you ... fantastic!

Even comes with the original box... truly wonderful deal.

Did it come with the 3D emitter?... You may not want 3D, but if you need the emitter you can't beat AVS's price on it. And I've never seen the PS3 3D Glasses that work with this pj cheaper than 4 for $23 like they are currently on Amazon.
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I'm very happy for you ... fantastic!

Even comes with the original box... truly wonderful deal.

Did it come with the 3D emitter?... You may not want 3D, but if you need the emitter you can't beat AVS's price on it. And I've never seen the PS3 3D Glasses that work with this pj cheaper than 4 for $23 like they are currently on Amazon.
Last night after I got home I sent a inquiry to AVS about the price on the emitter and also bought 2 of those 3D glasses while they are still that cheap. Appreciate the tip. Now I just need a decent 25 ft HDMI cable and a screen.

This may seem like a silly concern but, I don't know much about projector cool down times. He powered it off before we made the sale, and I think it was around 10 minutes or so when he unplugged it and we packed it up. It was still a bit warm, but not hot. And maybe 10-15 min after that that I drove it home (in the original box w Styrofoam, but on the freeway with all it's bumps. Would that have been enough time to avoid damage and get the projector/bulb home with risk of breaking it? I can't test it again till I get that cable really.

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Last night after I got home I sent a inquiry to AVS about the price on the emitter and also bought 2 of those 3D glasses while they are still that cheap. Appreciate the tip. Now I just need a decent 25 ft HDMI cable and a screen.

This may seem like a silly concern but, I don't know much about projector cool down times. He powered it off before we made the sale, and I think it was around 10 minutes or so when he unplugged it and we packed it up. It was still a bit warm, but not hot. And maybe 10-15 min after that that I drove it home (in the original box w Styrofoam, but on the freeway with all it's bumps. Would that have been enough time to avoid damage and get the projector/bulb home with risk of breaking it? I can't test it again till I get that cable really.
I got my ceiling mount and 25 foot high speed hdmi cable from monoprice.

They sell screens also but not as small as I use

I bet you a nickel the bulb survived.
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Just a quick question to owners of this pj. While messing around with the iris, I noticed that when I put the manual iris to full 10 then switch to iris off. The iris off is brighter. What's the logic in that? I'm pretty sure that's what happened. Thanks.
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I have one more question. I know this projector doesn't do CIH, but can I still use it with a 2:35 screen? Do I need a special lens or something? If I can do a wider screen, then I'm leaning that direction right now.

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I have one more question. I know this projector doesn't do CIH, but can I still use it with a 2:35 screen? Do I need a special lens or something? If I can do a wider screen, then I'm leaning that direction right now.
You can use a 2:35 screen.

However, that leads to two choices...

a) You can manually fit the image on the screen using the lens and zooming and focusing.

b) you can have your system output everything in the (within the) 2:35 shape which means that you lose some of the projector's native 16:9 pixels. (Not saying zoom or clip to 2:35 but rather show native shapes inside the 2:35 screen)

In my room A could work... esp if I had curtains on the sides. I could just fit a wider screen than the one I use now and use curtains to get it down to 16:9 and when I could be bothered I could open the curtains and re-zoom the lens. In that case a movie like "the Dark Knight" which changes between 2:35 and 16:9 would wind up projecting some things that spilled over the top and bottom of the screen.

It's really not the best pj for 2:35


What I do now though is mask my 16:9 screen when I want to have 2:35 and maybe that's option (c) that totally works beautifully. I just don't put up the masks for batman.

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You can use a 2:35 screen.

However, that leads to two choices...

a) You can manually fit the image on the screen using the lens and zooming and focusing.

b) you can have your system output everything in the (within the) 2:35 shape which means that you lose some of the projector's native 16:9 pixels. (Not saying zoom or clip to 2:35 but rather show native shapes inside the 2:35 screen)

In my room A could work... esp if I had curtains on the sides. I could just fit a wider screen than the one I use now and use curtains to get it down to 16:9 and when I could be bothered I could open the curtains and re-zoom the lens. In that case a movie like "the Dark Knight" which changes between 2:35 and 16:9 would wind up projecting some things that spilled over the top and bottom of the screen.

It's really not the best pj for 2:35


What I do now though is mask my 16:9 screen when I want to have 2:35 and maybe that's option (c) that totally works beautifully. I just don't put up the masks for batman.

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You left out option C - Anamorphic Lens. This is, of course, the more pricey option, but a lot of folks use a lens with the Sony projectors. When I had my HW50, I used the Zooming to get 2:35. The PJ was right above my head so I only had to stand up, zoom in or out and enjoy the movie.
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Thanks guys. I'll look into the anamorphic lens idea. I think my current budget is basically dead, but I have the important part and time to decide on the setup over the next few weeks. I'd like a 2:35 screen, as I could fit a 120" while my odd room requirements would only let me fit a 100 or maybe 106" inch 16:9. Gonna try out the bedsheet substitute first and see what looks good to us placement wise.

And Craig at AV Science finally got my money. 3D transmitter on its way. I must say, the only thing I feel bad about missing getting this over the BenQ is the 3D on it that everyone raves about. However I liked 3D ok on my Panasonic 65VT50, so if this thing will do it better on a 100" screen from 12-15 ft away then that works for me.

Also ordered a 25 ft high speed HDMI cable from Mediabridge, and 2 PS3 glasses arriving today. Narrowing my screen choices to Elite screens 100" Spectrum motorized or maybe manual pull down in 106". I don't know what the difference is stepping up to their VMAX electric screens, but even if I did all these options are $299 or less so that should be in the budget!
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Thanks guys. I'll look into the anamorphic lens idea. I think my current budget is basically dead, but I have the important part and time to decide on the setup over the next few weeks. I'd like a 2:35 screen, as I could fit a 120" while my odd room requirements would only let me fit a 100 or maybe 106" inch 16:9. Gonna try out the bedsheet substitute first and see what looks good to us placement wise.

And Craig at AV Science finally got my money. 3D transmitter on its way. I must say, the only thing I feel bad about missing getting this over the BenQ is the 3D on it that everyone raves about. However I liked 3D ok on my Panasonic 65VT50, so if this thing will do it better on a 100" screen from 12-15 ft away then that works for me.

Also ordered a 25 ft high speed HDMI cable from Mediabridge, and 2 PS3 glasses arriving today. Narrowing my screen choices to Elite screens 100" Spectrum motorized or maybe manual pull down in 106". I don't know what the difference is stepping up to their VMAX electric screens, but even if I did all these options are $299 or less so that should be in the budget!
Sadly ,.... I don't know anything about BenQ ... But the 3D from HW30ES is spectacular.
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So I got to try it out in my home using a white bedsheet to get an idea of how it's going to look. And...WOW. Even with a god awful bedsheet, it was a blast using this thing! I got a good idea for just how it might look once I get a screen in place.

I know a lot of light bleeds through a bedsheet, but it's funny that my original concern with projectors was their black level, and blacks being washed out...but now that I've seen it in my light reflecting room, it's the bright scenes I'm concerned about most! That dynamic iris really makes the black scenes the best damn ones. In the bright scenes, it lights up my room brighter than my normal lighting does. Oh well...a black backed screen will help somewhat, then maybe a touch darker paint?

Anyways, I know very little about what it and isn't a real convergence issue. I couldn't see anything off from my seating position, but up next to the sheet I could. I took a few pics. Keep in mind these are VERY close up from the menu lettering. What do you think, try to tweak it, or is it within most acceptable range?
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So I got to try it out in my home using a white bedsheet to get an idea of how it's going to look. And...WOW. Even with a god awful bedsheet, it was a blast using this thing! I got a good idea for just how it might look once I get a screen in place.

I know a lot of light bleeds through a bedsheet, but it's funny that my original concern with projectors was their black level, and blacks being washed out...but now that I've seen it in my light reflecting room, it's the bright scenes I'm concerned about most! That dynamic iris really makes the black scenes the best damn ones. In the bright scenes, it lights up my room brighter than my normal lighting does. Oh well...a black backed screen will help somewhat, then maybe a touch darker paint?

Anyways, I know very little about what it and isn't a real convergence issue. I couldn't see anything off from my seating position, but up next to the sheet I could. I took a few pics. Keep in mind these are VERY close up from the menu lettering. What do you think, try to tweak it, or is it within most acceptable range?
Hi,

Looks like convergence may be off a bit. This was a much bigger problem back when Digital Projectors didn't allow convergence to be adjusted.

Adjust it or just leave it is totally up to you thanks to the fact that controls to adjust it are built into the pj.

At any rate, I would wait till you have a better screen before adjusting it.

I bought a B-Stock here from AVS and the convergence needed adjusting. It was only something I could detect during credits or looking at graphics like a desktop. I wasn't phased by it though,... there is an adjustment to correct it. I think commonly thought that each digit of adjustment get's you a tenth of a pixel and adjusments of 5 or 10 are better than say 2 or 4... something like that.

I think my red was off and I adjusted it half a pixel length.... This can cause certain test patterns to display strangely... It's really a non issue. Many flat panel diplays have the sub pixels offset and you can easily see up close but can't detect the pattern from a distance.

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As previuosly noted;
"Good luck.. hope it works out..... I love the heck out of mine... Even 3D. I just bought an extra 2 spare pairs of PS3 3D glasses for $6 each on Amazon. (I thought they were a great deal when they were $20 but .... $6! )"


I am assuming that these will work with the TMR-PJ1 or TMR-PJ2 when used with a VPL-HW30ES. Is that correct?
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As previuosly noted;
"Good luck.. hope it works out..... I love the heck out of mine... Even 3D. I just bought an extra 2 spare pairs of PS3 3D glasses for $6 each on Amazon. (I thought they were a great deal when they were $20 but .... $6! )"


I am assuming that these will work with the TMR-PJ1 or TMR-PJ2 when used with a VPL-HW30ES. Is that correct?
Yep. and if u need the emitter, AVS has the best price
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