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Specifications:

Models (2) VPL-HW30AES (3D package) and VPL-HW30ES (projector only)
Brightness: 1300 lumens
Contrast Ratio: 70,000:1 (with Iris)
SXRD Panel: 0.61", 15.4mm
Panel Driver: 240Hz
Lens: F2.52 - F3.02 1.6x manual zoom
Lens Shift: +/-0.65 Vertical, +/-0.25 Horizontal
Lamp 200W UHP
Video Inputs: 2 HDMI 1.4a, Component and HD-Dsub 15 pin (VGA)
Other Connections: RS-232 (remote commands), Mini jack (IR input) and Ethernet (RJ45) Port (3D Emitter only)
Dimensions: 16 1/8"x7 1/8"x18 3/8", 407.4mmx179.2mmx463.9mm
Weight: 22.2lb, 10kg
Power Requirements: 100V to 240V AC, 3A to 1.3A 50/60Hz
Power Consumption: 300W, Standby 8W, Standby Low 0.5W
Fan Noise: 22db (max speed)
RS232 bi-directonal control
Replacement Lamp: LMP-H202
Glasses: TDG-PJ1
3D Emitter: TRM-PJ1*

*You must buy or have an ethernet cable (Cat-5 works fine). No ethernet cable is included and you can't use the emitter (3D) without one.


Features:

3D (all standards supported) and 2D to 3D simulation
Real Color Processing or RCP (aka: CMS)
Picture Modes: 9 (2 users defined)
Motionflow (240Hz): high, low and off
Color Temperature: 9 (5 user defined)
Gamma Settings: 8
Color Space: Normal, Wide 1, Wide 2 and Wide 3
Panel Alignment: 1/10 step

Sony Links:

Sony promo video

Owners Manual (PDF)

RS-232C Codes (PM me for the PDF manual)

Sony (USA)
Sony (Europe)

Marketing Specifications (PDF)
Product Sheet (PDF)
Projector Data Sheet (PDF)

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ProjectorReview.com
AVS (First Look video)
Cinetson (French) and English Translation
LA Passion De L'image Et Du Son (French by AVS member kraine) and English Translation
Projector central
AVguide (The Perfect Vision)
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ISF/THX Calibrations
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Using Cinema X preset. However, all the presets do is select a pre-defined combination of settings in the user menu. You can emulate any of the presets by simply choosing a User preset and manually selecting all of the associated menu settings.

Light output
With the iris fully open, the lamp on high, the white point calibrated to D65, the Color Space set to Normal, and Contrast set at 85, I measured 832 lumens, which translated to a much-too-bright 30 fL on Mark's 110" Studiotek. You can get more light by raising the contrast control even higher, but then white begins to clip.

Contrast
Iris Open: 5400:1
Iris half closed: 6750:1
Iris fully closed: 7550:1
Auto 1: 25,500:1
Auto 2: 18,800:1

Grayscale Tracking
The best grayscale tracking was with the Low 2 setting. This gave an somewhat reddish white point with a dE average of about 8 in the CIELUV color space. Custom calibration improves this significantly. Post-calibration I got the average dE down to about 2 above 10%. At 10% the reddish tint was uncorrectable.

Gamma
There are several gamma presets and each one includes the ability to tweak the response at the low and high end. I got the best gamma with a setting of 3. Gamma set to Off was a close second.



Color Accuracy
The Normal color space is definitely the most accurate, although even here red and green are shifted slightly to blue. Wide 1, Wide 2, and Wide 3 get progressively more oversaturated, especially along the red-yellow-green line.

Normal


Wide 3



Suggested Settings for closest to D65 picture “out of the box”:

Pic Viewing Mode: Cinema 1
Cinema Black Pro (Iris): Auto 1
Motionflow: Low
Color Temp: Low 1
Gamma: Off (2.2)
Color Space: Normal

Alternant:

Pic Viewing Mode: Cinema 2
Cinema Black Pro (Iris): Off
Gamma: 8
Color: 45
Hue: 0



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HW30ES is already available in France, in Germany and in Spain.

Nice. But when i checked in germany no one had it, out of stock. So i guess the first batch is already sold out.
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Someone should check and see if the Xpand X103s work with this projector. Hopefully they don't darken the screen like the JVCs with the X103s.
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I got mine yesterday and put in a good bit of time with it. Here are my initial thoughts which are all subjective to my particular setup and previous experiences.

Unboxing:

I think Sony must of spent a month at least designing the box this thing ships in, I"ve never seen so much packaged into one tiny box. They did a great job here getting this to consumers safely. It is going to be a nightmare putting this thing back together when it comes time to sell it

Unit:

Very light compared to my JVC 250HD, JVC RS40, and even Sony VW-70 B-stock I got a couple months ago from AVS. It looks well constructed overall and is a beautiful and QUIET unit.

Picture:

Extremely, extremely nice out of the box. I'd say it rivals my previous JVC which I had calibrated with no adjustments to the Sony. I was a little disappointed to see that mine was set on high lamp mode out of the box because I thought it was naturally that bright in low light lamp mode, but it is still a pretty bright unit. Black levels are a tad under my JVC but nothing a majority of people would notice as they are still really nice.

I did not play with any settings that would enhance or calibrate the picture, but I did play with the various pre-set color modes and motion flow and I must say, Sony really nailed it. I haven't had this feature since my previous Epson 8700UB but the Sony is leaps and bounds better. It adds a lot to a 3D movie although if you set it to high, it will cause jerkyness and almost makes it look like it is running in a low FPS.

3D:

So I owned a RS40 for 1 day before selling it on ebay because I got concerned with all the issues it had at the time and can compare against it from my limited experiences. I have a 140" AT screen that I built from scratch and it uses a 1.2 gain material and the Sony does a really nice job lighting up the screen while 3D is engaged. I watched scenes from Tangled, Resident Evil, Avatar, Monsters vs. Aliens, IMAX Space Hubble, How To Drain Your Dragon, Tron, and a few others and there was SOME ghosting on the various scenes I watched, but the Sony offers you a couple of adjustments to help with the problem and I was able to tweak around each movie to get rid of the ghosting. Compared to the RS40 I do not feel there is any competition here in terms of ghosting, but the images on both look fantastic. The only downside to the Sony was each movie was different and had to have the depth adjusted to different values which makes it cumbersome at times. I also had a few movies (Tangled being one) where I had to set the depth to -1i n order to get the ghosting to go away which limits the 3D effect. These were MKV files that my brother gave me so I cannot speak to if this is true for actual physical 3D blu-ray media.

I've owned over 5 of the 720p 3D DLP projectors in the past year trying to find one that would work in my room (either too short of a throw or too far) and I think the Sony does 3D as well as the DLP units overall once you flush out the right settings. I also have 2 3D tv's in my house Samsung 67" and an LG 60" Plasma and I like the Sony already more then the LG. For the heck of it I hooked up my PS3 and my Sager laptop to check out 3D gaming and both worked flawlessly without any effort in getting 3D engaged and working in the various games I tried. I will mention that on my LG TV I noticed some severe ghosting in Crysis 2 and I did not notice it at all with this projector.

Pros:

-Has 3 3D options for MKV files or content it cannot autodetect is 3D. Simulated, Over-Under, Side-by-Side. This makes playing 3D MKV files pretty easy with the Sony and I was able to play various ones without issue.

-Quiet. I never really care about projectors and the noise they make because I blare my home theater setup, but I truly appreciate how quiet this unit is to the others I've recently owned.

-The remote control is quite nice and I like how it has a majority of what I want on the front of the remote without me having to dig through menu's. It also lights up extremely nice with a blue glow if you hit the light button which is another nice touch compared to my previous JVC.

-Picture out of the box is so good that I have little desire to mess with it right now. Typically I will run content on my projector without me being in the room to get hours on the bulb and then calibrate it, but Sony has done an extremely nice job with its presets. The only one that is like "whoa that is bad" is probably Dynamic for me because it washes out the colors.

-2D to 3D conversion - Believe it or not, this actually works fairly well. As mentioned above I have an LG Plasma with this feature and NEVER use it for anything but games because it really does nothing to the image. I tested the Sony out with a few sitcoms and I noticed everything from baseball bats to tennis shoes having depth in the image. The only downside to this feature is if you add too much depth you get severe ghosting but it is easily eliminated if you dial it down a notch once you start to notice it.

-The little dongle for the 3D glasses can be placed practically anywhere near the screen in my room and work. I got lazy and did not want to climb up a ladder to put it on top of my screen so I just threw it on the floor under the screen and the glasses still worked great without any sync issues. I do not think placement of the dongle will be that bad after all.

Cons:

-Even though the unit can play 3D MKV files, it comes with some quirks that really irritates me which I am hoping I am just not seeing something. When you select over-under or side-by-side for the 3D mode, it eliminates motionflow abilities and also takes away the option to put the bulb in high or low mode. I honestly could not tell a different setting it in high or low and then engaging 3D so I think it is defaulting to low just based on how dim the picture looks compared to a 3D bluray disc where it sets it to auto and motionflow and the lamp feature is available. Interestingly enough when you use simulated 2D > 3D these features remain.

-Couldn't get it to work with my DirecTV box. I don't think this is the Sony's fault by any means, but I simply could not get it to recognize that I had a 3D display hooked up. I contacted DirecTV and they are sending me a new receiver for my home theater room so I will report back on Fri what the outcome is.

-I wish there was more brightness while in 3D and more brightness in 2D at low-lamp mode. This may be a calibration issue so I will reserve judgement once I play with it. For some reason I feel my JVC 250HD was brighter in 2D but in all fairness I have not touched any settings on the Sony yet to help with the issue. I never had the urge to put my JVC in high lamp mode but on the Sony I constantly kept flipping back and forth because it just looks so much better in high mode.

-I hate the glasses. Yeah I said it, I really hate the Sony glasses. They feel like you have a huge weight sitting on your nose and they just aren't comfortable. With all the 3D units in my house, including the Nvidia 3D Vision kit, the Sony glasses come in last place for me. I will be looking at other alternatives once I find some that work. I did notice there was a setting in the Sony for glassess brightness which I found interesting and I wonder how this impacts 3rd party glasses.

-I noticed some weird "flashes" in Resident Evil when there was a lot of gun fire and scenes panning back and forth. I am not sure if this was beacuse I was using an MKV file or what, but it was really bothersome to watch. I am probably not describing it that well but if others experience it you will see what I am talking about. The scene in the lobby where she fights all the men is what I am referring to.

-No digital zoom, focus, or lense hiding. When I say lense hiding I am referring to where the unit puts a cover or shield over the lense when not in use. Given this is not a cheap unit I wish Sony would have charged another $100 and incorporated these features because once you have them you to tend to really miss them when they aren't there (at least I do!) The only one I am not heart broken over is the zoom because I always had a problem finding the exact setting on my previous units where as doing it manually is much easier. Doing the focus manually is a real pain when you are 16ft away from the screen.

Summary:

These are just my first day experiences with the Sony and so far I do not regret the purchase one bit. The wife and kid are going out of town this weekend so I will have plenty of time to play with it
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"Couldn't get it to work with my DirecTV box. I don't think this is the Sony's fault by any means, but I simply could not get it to recognize that I had a 3D display hooked up. I contacted DirecTV and they are sending me a new receiver for my home theater room so I will report back on Fri what the outcome is."

What Directv receiver did you try this on?

Thanks for the report. The one comment about the brightness in 2D at low lamp mode has me concerned though.

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edit: moving my intial comments to the official thread. Thanks William for setting it up.

The glasses are interesting. As you look from side to side, there is a shift in the tint intensity that doesn't happen on any of the other glasses. As yellowish/green as they look, something happens when the shutters are activated and the color shift while watching 3D didn't stand out like I was expecting. Once I get the Xpand 103 and 3D Monster Visions working, I'll be able to better compare while changing glasses at the same time to get an idea which I prefer.

One thing that stands out as an unexpected surprise. The Motion flow at the low setting is very addicting in 3D mode. I never thought I would like this effect, but it's so subtle and really smooths out the 24 frame 3D blurays. It also reduces any noticeable flicker so you have this rock solid, fluid image in 3D on the screen which takes on an effect all it's own. I rarely used CMD on the JVC, but I would use Sony's version. It seems however they programmed it, it's just enough to be effective without over doing it.

The focus and convergence is throwing me off. Trying to get a tight focus while standing 16 feet from the screen is a PITA. yes I tried binoculars, but it's not the same as pressing my nose against the screen with a remote control. Convergence I am not sure about either. It looks a bit off but the adjustments are easy to make and seems like I was able to get it to level out. Since I can't get a dead focus, the image is a bit softer than my JVC which I'll saying something nice about it, the focus is razor sharp on my RS50. I'll play around with it a bit more this weekend.

Colors are very nice out of the box. I had no desire to go fiddling with anything with the out of the box settings. Flesh tones looks accurate, gamma is just right and the default color space seems nice and neutral. Not too saturated, but colorful enough to catch your eye with the right scenes. I buzzed through some of my darker sci-fi - Terminator 2, Underworld, Aliens, etc. Contrast and shadow details are better than I expected. I can't see the iris at all, no detection of pumping from bright -> dark -> bright scenes. I can see the iris turn off when 3D mode is enable and the black floor rises a bit. Then you put the glasses on and it goes right back down, so this isn't an issue in 3D.

overall black level looks good, even on my HP screen. There is no doubt the JVC is darker, but it's also a dimmer projector compared to the Sony. I will have lumen measurements of both projectors with new lamps later in the week. I don't think anyone would be disappointed in the black level capability of the Sony HW30.

I have to get a handle on the convergence and focus. It may be that I have it as good as it gets and the JVC Lens is just a bit sharper, but I'll verify that soon enough.

Notice how different the tint is on the Monster 3D vs. the other 3.






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"Couldn't get it to work with my DirecTV box. I don't think this is the Sony's fault by any means, but I simply could not get it to recognize that I had a 3D display hooked up. I contacted DirecTV and they are sending me a new receiver for my home theater room so I will report back on Fri what the outcome is."

What Directv receiver did you try this on?

Thanks for the report. The one comment about the brightness in 2D at low lamp mode has me concerned though.

Black HR21. When I gave the girl the reference code on the screen she said there were some early HR21's that don't work well with 3D and she feels a replacement will resolve the issue. If I don't get the new box in by this weekend I will take my upstairs one and bring it downstairs to test just to confirm.

As far as the 2D I know everyone is going to feel differently on this so this is just my opinion with the out-of-box settings on cinema and standard presets. Once you throw it into high lamp mode the picture is amazing with my particular screen. I have a pretty far throw distance, low gain, and a very large screen so that isn't helping things.
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Sucks that Sony didn't improve 3D much

My RS50 with new bulb had zero ghosting with tangled, Resident Evil, and the other titles you mentioned. There were only a few specific titles that caused issues like the Dinosaurs of Pantogoria, and a few IMAX titles. However thats with a new bulb, and as the bulb ages the ghosting on the JVC got much worse.

Now I'm curious how these new LCD from Panasonic and Epson will handle 3D!
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Got mine a little late last night and having 2 problems. One is HTPC source 3D related and the one I spent the VAST majority of my time on.

However I'm having focus issues. When I get the center of the pic focused the 4 corners are out of focus and of course if focus the corners the center is out of focus. My HW30 is about 20' back vertically centered and shelf mounted (not inverted) at about 1/4 from top of screen (133" DaLite HP). Will play more this evening but what could cause this?
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Got mine a little late last night and having 2 problems. One is HTPC source 3D related and the one I spent the VAST majority of my time on.

However I'm having focus issues. When I get the center of the pic focused the 4 corners are out of focus and of course if focus the corners the center is out of focus. My HW30 is about 20' back vertically centered and shelf mounted (not inverted) at about 1/4 from top of screen (133" DaLite HP). Will play more this evening but what could cause this?

I might be able to help with the PC one since a majority of 3D came from my laptop, what is the issue you are having?

I honestly didn't spend a tremendous amount of time trying to focus the unit, but to me it wasn't as sharp on the test pattern as my JVC so I will have to go back and verify I am not having the same issue you are mentioning. Did you try throwing a smaller image, say 100" and see if the focus issue is still present? I also would try taking it down and hold it in your hands and try focusing it if possible to make sure placement is not an issue.
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Sucks that Sony didn't improve 3D much

My RS50 with new bulb had zero ghosting with tangled, Resident Evil, and the other titles you mentioned. There were only a few specific titles that caused issues like the Dinosaurs of Pantogoria, and a few IMAX titles. However thats with a new bulb, and as the bulb ages the ghosting on the JVC got much worse.

Now I'm curious how these new LCD from Panasonic and Epson will handle 3D!

Where are you getting that from? Jmalto above said he was using MKV's. I went right for the juggler with opening scenes of 3D Bluray's Alice in Wonderland (black fencing against pale yellow background), Bridge scene in M v A, Despicable Me (where he's outside the enemy's fortress, this crushes my RS50 in ghosting), etc.

new Lamp vs. new lamp, there is a marked improvement over the JVC from my intial obsersations, at least with 3D bluray frame packed. Plus NO warm up time compared to the JVC. Add in the amazing Motion Flow and this is one heck of a budget 3D projector.

I'll have the Sony and JVC side by side this weekend for direct comparisons of the two in 3D mode.
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I was thinking about waiting for the VW95, mainly for the improved pic over the cheaper HW30, and to have 2.35 that i can zoom. If the price is double, i don't see how Sony will sell a lot of the VW95, as from ALL initial reports, Sony nailed it with the HW30. Even if the contrast is doubled, and the motorized zoom and lens memory are in the VW95, i don't see how that is worth 2X (or more) the HW30.
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Thanks for the report. The one comment about the brightness in 2D at low lamp mode has me concerned though.

what can you expect, it's a relatively large 140" screen with low gain material.

@ 16 feet on my 142" 2.8HP, it is literally blinding in 2D mode in high lamp and quite nice in low lamp.

3D on the Sony is as bright through the glasses than my JVC RS50 was in 2D mode.

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Got mine a little late last night and having 2 problems. One is HTPC source 3D related and the one I spent the VAST majority of my time on.


what's going on with the HTPC? i am using a Win 7 x64 setup, Nvidia GT430 - HDMI direct to the projector, DVI->HDMI to my Pioneer SC-07. I tried both Total Media Theater 5 and PDVD10, both worked immediately with the Sony. I have a 12TB NAS with my entire 3D BD collection in ISO format. I can't let the family near my expensive BD's.
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so let me ask, for those comparing the VW90ES to the HW30ES, as far as i understand, for pq, the contrast is better on the VW90ES, but it is quite a bit dimmer in 2D and much dimmer in 3d, as well as showing more ghosting. Is this correct? I know the VW90 has electric lens shift, but other than that, is there a reason to get the VW90 over the HW30?
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what can you expect, it's a relatively large 140" screen with low gain material.

@ 16 feet on my 142" 2.8HP, it is literally blinding in 2D mode in high lamp and quite nice in low lamp.

3D on the Sony is as bright through the glasses than my JVC RS50 was in 2D mode.

Jason it will be interesting to see (probably this weekend?) your lumens calculations between the Sony and the new lamp for RS50. You have had that lamp in once though haven't you already? No chance it is one of the rare bright lamps?
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Then it will most likely work for me. My throw distance is around 17' to a 133" HP screen (calculated to be around 1.8 gain). I am able to run my Mits HC6000 on low so this one should blow it away.

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what can you expect, it's a relatively large 140" screen with low gain material.

@ 16 feet on my 142" 2.8HP, it is literally blinding in 2D mode in high lamp and quite nice in low lamp.

3D on the Sony is as bright through the glasses than my JVC RS50 was in 2D mode.


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Is your 140" screen 2.25 or 16:9?
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Jason it will be interesting to see (probably this weekend?) your lumens calculations between the Sony and the new lamp for RS50. You have had that lamp in once though haven't you already? No chance it is one of the rare bright lamps?

Ron, if I recall I measured about 550 lumens @ D65 with my 5 series lamp that JVC sent in March. it has maybe 3-4 hours on it, same as the Sony. I'll definitely do direct lumen comparisons once I re-cal the JVC and the Sony. The Sony looks really close to D65, I doubt it's going to take much to get it perfect but as you know, my JVC with both lamps needed serious greyscale tweaking with both lamps.
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Jason, Is the ghosting really that bad on the Sony?

I may be jumping to conclusions but I'm pretty sure you'd be singing from the rooftops if the 3D met your 3D expectations. Your lack of comment for 3D, other then the glasses is very, very troubling

Don't worry, we can alternate ever other 3D projector from now on.
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I might be able to help with the PC one since a majority of 3D came from my laptop, what is the issue you are having?...


I have a Nvidia GeForce GT 520HD and use TotalMedea Theater 5. I couldn't get 3D to work despite trying everything (except what probably works ). There is a program called Nvida Control Panel for the settings. What refresh rate do you select (24Hz) for 3D? Also there is a screen called Setup Stereoscopic 3D. Do I need to select Enable Stereoscopic 3D? When I try it runs a setup Wizard on my ASUS 22" monitor (it's not 3D and it's Monitor #1 used to work on HTPC without turing on projector (Monitor #2)) and not on my projector. The box will not stay checked. I did update the driver after I cut off the projector and hoping this will solve the problem.

In TMT5 I have the first chose (can't remember what it's called) selected that seems to cover all frame packed active 3D displays.
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I have a Nvidia GeForce GT 520HD and use TotalMedea Theater 5. I couldn't get 3D to work despite trying everything (except what probably works ). There is a program called Nvida Control Panel for the settings. What refresh rate do you select (24Hz) for 3D? Also there is a screen called Setup Stereoscopic 3D. Do I need to select Enable Stereoscopic 3D? When I try it runs a setup Wizard on my ASUS 22" monitor (it's not 3D and it's Monitor #1 used to work on HTPC without turing on projector (Monitor #2)) and not on my projector. The box will not stay checked. I did update the driver after I cut off the projector and hoping this will solve the problem.

In TMT5 I have the first chose (can't remember what it's called) selected that seems to cover all frame packed active 3D displays.

Stereoscopic needs to be enabled and it should be if you are using 3DTV and it is functioning. Once you hook up the projector it should detect an HDMI 1.4 device and show you those settings.

For the settings, for 1080p you can output at 24hz and for 720p you can do 120hz. Mine autodetects and I don't have to mess with this.

Use the nvidia stereoscopic player, I never could get Theater 5 to work with anything well. The other alternative is the new PowerDVD.

Also, for the Sony I had to disable my laptop's lcd in order to get 3D to work. Go under multiple displays and disable your LCD and just keep the Sony checked.
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@jmalto what aspect ratio is your screen?

16:9, HDTV format. If I didn't have monster speakers I'd have a high gain screen without any question.
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Sucks that Sony didn't improve 3D much

My RS50 with new bulb had zero ghosting with tangled, Resident Evil, and the other titles you mentioned. There were only a few specific titles that caused issues like the Dinosaurs of Pantogoria, and a few IMAX titles. However thats with a new bulb, and as the bulb ages the ghosting on the JVC got much worse.

Now I'm curious how these new LCD from Panasonic and Epson will handle 3D!

I find MKV's to be less-then-impressive for image quality regardless if it is a FULL rip or not. I have a good number of actual discs and will be trying those out today and this weekend through a high-end Samsung 3D player.
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Jason, Is the ghosting really that bad on the Sony?

I may be jumping to conclusions but I'm pretty sure you'd be singing from the rooftops if the 3D met your 3D expectations. Your lack of comment for 3D, other then the glasses is very, very troubling

Don't worry, we can alternate ever other 3D projector from now on.

No - see my comments above - QUITE the opposite. I went for some of the toughest scenes and impressed beyond my original expectations. The Sony is much closer to my Acer than the RS50 ever was (even w/ a new lamp) I just didn't want to pass judgement too quick until I can get my Monster Vision 3D's working on the Sony.

warm up time is non existant for jumping right into 3D, which alone could tell us that as the lamp ages, it may not show the ghosting like the JVC does.

Give me a few more days. Over the weekend, I am going to do side by side with the JVC with the new lamp I've been saving.
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I find MKV's to be less-then-impressive for image quality regardless if it is a FULL rip or not.

Are you speaking to just 3D MKV's? I can't speak to 3D, but I know my 2D, (non-compressed) MKV Bluray rips look just as good or better (thanks to more flexibility with the HTPC) than the original Blurays.
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3D MKV's can't play back in 3D frame packed mode which is likely going to challenge any LCOS 3D system.

I have a 3D MKV of Avatar and the 3D Bluray as well. imo, there is no comparison between the two in regard to overall quality, sharpness, ghosting, etc. This is the case with all my 3D MKV's and really don't bother with them since I have the 3D ISO's stored on my 12TB NAS.
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Stereoscopic needs to be enabled and it should be if you are using 3DTV and it is functioning. Once you hook up the projector it should detect an HDMI 1.4 device and show you those settings.

For the settings, for 1080p you can output at 24hz and for 720p you can do 120hz. Mine autodetects and I don't have to mess with this.

Use the nvidia stereoscopic player, I never could get Theater 5 to work with anything well. The other alternative is the new PowerDVD.

Also, for the Sony I had to disable my laptop's lcd in order to get 3D to work. Go under multiple displays and disable your LCD and just keep the Sony checked.

Thanks, I'll give it a try this evening. So for refresh rate at 1080p it needs to be set to 24Hz?


I hope the focus problem works out but I'm stating to become concerned that my lens may be defective.
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However I'm having focus issues. When I get the center of the pic focused the 4 corners are out of focus and of course if focus the corners the center is out of focus. My HW30 is about 20' back vertically centered and shelf mounted (not inverted) at about 1/4 from top of screen (133" DaLite HP). Will play more this evening but what could cause this?

William - how far off is the focus in the corners if center is accurate? What image are you focusing on?

I am so used to the autofocus on the JVC that I am having a tough time getting it right on the Sony. I tried Binoculars as someone else suggested, but it's not the same as pressing my nose against the screen with a remote control in hand making micro-adjustments.

I'll look closer tonight at mine to see what it looks like on the edges vs. center.


edit: has anyone viewed the single pixel pattern test on the AVS disk. My convergence is definitely off a bit, but can be easily fixed with the adjustment controls. Someone mentioned not to do this as it would soften the image. This wasn't the case when correcting my JVC's pixel adjustments. Does the Sony do something different that can affect sharpness during panel alignment?
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