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Pro Cinema 61000 is "under $5k" and includes a spare lamp and a three year warranty. Please let it be good!

Yes !!! :-)

Kraine saw a demo at the IFA show and report it was one of the best 2D pictures of ALL the demo he attend
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Yes !!! :-)

Kraine saw a demo at the IFA show and report it was one of the best 2D pictures of ALL the demo he attend

The rep even stated it comes with a mount as well. I'm anxious for reviewers to get it.

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Kraine also said, if I'm not mistaken, that the R2000 was everybit as good as the R4000

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The rep even stated it comes with a mount as well. I'm anxious for reviewers to get it.

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And an extra lamp and a 3 year replacement warranty.
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Kraine also said, if I'm not mistaken, that the R2000 was everybit as good as the R4000

This has me interested as well. There's been a lot of talk about the r4000 but, other than Kraine's comments, next to nothing about how the r2000 compares to it in real (read:visible) terms.
The numbers show a significant difference but I wonder how much of that difference is actually visible? The r2000 could be a sleeper hit.
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And an extra lamp and a 3 year replacement warranty.

I wish they would do what they have in the past with the 8700 vs 9700 and 8500 vs 9500 and have a $1000 cheaper version without the extra lamp, mount, and extended warranty as that would put it under $4000 msrp.

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I wish they would do what they have in the past with the 8700 vs 9700 and 8500 vs 9500 and have a $1000 cheaper version without the extra lamp, mount, and extended warranty as that would put it under $4000 msrp.

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good point. take out the extras and it could street for 3.5, then add on the 7800 as a dedicated 3D projector for another 3.5, that could be a serious bang for the buck combo!


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good point. take out the extras and it could street for 3.5, then add on the 7800 as a dedicated 3D projector for another 3.5, that could be a serious bang for the buck combo!

Yeah, I already want a HC7800, Epson 61000, Sony VW1000, JVC RS65, and a Sim Nero 235....and oh the Sony HMD headset. I need to win the lottery.

Actually I just need a bright 2d 1080p DLP so I am at least hoping the Infocus Sp8602 gets a price reduction or I will be getting a Benq W6000 unless the Mitsubishi 7800 is worth the extra cost.

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Anyone knows something about this:

PowerLite Home Cinema 5010e Projector

A true theater experience 2D & 3D full HD 1080p technology puts you right in the middle of exciting, lifelike adventures
Astounding brightness and detail 2400 lumens color / white light output1, and an amazing contrast ratio up to 200,000:1
Advanced 3D technology Epson's Bright 3D Drive for enhanced brightness in 3D mode
Rich, vibrant color and reliable performance 3LCD, 3-chip technology
Eliminate cables with WirelessHD transmit and receive HD content wirelessly over short distances
Accurate and exceptional picture quality built-in cinema filter and Fujinon lens
Sleek design fits in any setting
Split screen feature (not available in 3D mode) project two images side-by-side from two different sources
2D-to-3D conversion easily transform 2D images to spectacular 3D
Amazingly sharp, crisp images motorized pixel alignment
Outstanding support two-year limited warranty; two-business-day replacement with free shipping

(from official Epson site)

A motorized pixel alignment is a great feature for every 3chip vpr, specially for Epson, with its huge issues about misconvergence....
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Kraine also said, if I'm not mistaken, that the R2000 was everybit as good as the R4000

Is if for certain that the R2000 & R4000 are different machines and that the R4000 isn't just the pro series with the extra year warranty, the extra bulb, and the mount like is done in the UB series?
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I wish I could answer that. I just sent my rep an email asking what he has heard because he was asking me if I wanted to get on the pre-order list for the new R-3LCD.

Their website shows the 21000, but according to everything I've read so far there will only be one and that is the pro 61000.

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PowerLite Home Cinema 5010e Projector

Amazingly sharp, crisp images — motorized pixel alignment

I don't see anything about motorized pixel alignment on Epson's US site. I wonder if someone was having a little fun. Aligning panels with a motor sounds like an exercise in futility due to the tight tolerances required. I have a feeling more of the issues we hear about are due to CA and not panel alignment.

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Yes, it's there in the 5100 main page on the U.S. site. 2nd from the bottom in the 'key features' section.

http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/j...seBVCookie=yes

I have my doubts too, but, if they do have it, it would be a coup, as most of the posts I've seen about Epsons have been about MC. I'm not holding my breath though, as I agree if would a difficult engineering challenge given the tolerances.

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Yes, it's there in the 5100 main page on the U.S. site. 2nd from the bottom in the 'key features' section.

http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/j...seBVCookie=yes

I have my doubts too, but, if they do have it, it would be a coup, as most of the posts I've seen about Epsons have been about MC. I'm not holding my breath though, as I agree if would a difficult engineering challenge given the tolerances.

Jonathan

Thanks... my brain must have been filtering it due to my dis-believement.

Funny though that this same feature is not listed for the 6010, which is just the Pro version of the 5010.

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It is possible to do this, there are ways to make motorized precision adjustments.
However, I am guessing the correction is similar to the way Sony does it, which doesn't really completely fix the problem.
By motorized, they probably just mean remote controlled pixel adjustment, not sure if they mean the panels can actually be aligned by a motor (although anything is possible).

Will be interesting when someone tests this feature. If a motor could really precisely fix the panel alignment, the projector could be as sharp as a DLP theoretically, that would be some feat.



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Yes, I agree it can be done. It would take at least 4 motors ( 1 per panel per axis for both red and blue ). but, small motors are cheap compared to the precision reduction gear train required, for each motor, for the insane reduction value required.

Nevertheless, if the information is correct, it would be a feat. Both Sony and JVC are offering sub-pixel adjustment using image processing trickery, where you lose pixel mapping on the shifted channels. If Epson's 'mechanical' solution is real, it would offer true convergence like CRT's.

I still doubt they can do this on sub $3K projectors, but then again, they're owned by Seiko ... a watchmaker.

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Yes, I agree it can be done. It would take at least 4 motors ( 1 per panel per axis for both red and blue ). but, small motors are cheap compared to the precision reduction gear train required, for each motor, for the insane reduction value required.

There are other ways to do it. Perhaps some variation on a picomotor (piezo used to turn a precision screw)

http://www.newport.com/Picomotor-Que...3/content.aspx

These are expensive, but there may be cheaper knockoffs available.
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Hmm, this is interesting as it's pretty similar to the traditional balance wheel / escapement movement in a watch. I don't see how they could patent it.

This approach would reduce the amount of reduction needed in the gear train, but introduces one more issue. The traditional 'escapement' approach is one way ... progressive. They would have to engineer a two way .. forward and back .. approach, or a 'release' where the panels would reset to the pre-pushed position.

This is now delving into the wild speculation realm, but, since Seiko has the watchmaking experience, I don't think it's impossible.

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Don't think someone has posted this link yet, but there's already a quite detailed review on a pre-production model of the EH-TW9000 available:
http://www.cine4home.de/tests/projek...000_Test_A.htm
It's in German though, but there's always tools like Google Translate if you don't master that languague
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The addition of a filter with the Epson projectors makes a nice improvement to contrast, but the native doesn't seem to have changed much in the last couple of years. If it can offer ghost-free bright 3D images with quality similar to its 2D then I'll have a serious look. I'm presently using a 9500 with a filter and I'm very happy with it. The Mits 7800 interests me as well.
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1,600 Lumens at 6,500:1 Native Contrast and still gets somewhat near D65...
That is seriously almost mind blowing.

I'm not sure if the Native Contrast was measured at closest throw, mid-zoom, or farthest, but if those are closest throw numbers, then that is a large jump in Native Contrast.

The other incredible thing is the Lumens range this projector has.
It can go down to 500 lumens in Lamp Low for a Best Mode Cinema, or 700 Lamp High, yet it can still do 1,600 in an alternate Near-Best Mode, or 2000+ in a pumped up but overly green mode. This is going to make it useable for both 2D and 3D even if you are using some gain screen, simply by just changing from the 1600 lumen mode back to the low lamp Best Mode and closing the IRIS.

That is more Lumens range than I've ever seen on any Home Theater projector I can think of (although there may be one that can get close to that range).

For people needing bigger screens for 3D, as long as this projector does not GHOST too much, this will be the one to get, unless the Mits hc7800 turns up almost as bright.

It just blew by the others when it comes to Contrast + Lumens balance.



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Is there any mention of the 61000 having pixel alignment as well? That's the one that has my attention the most...
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[quote="coderguy"]1,600 Lumens at 6,500:1 Native Contrast and still gets somewhat near D65...
That is seriously almost mind blowing.

I'm not sure if the Native Contrast was measured at closest throw, mid-zoom, or farthest, but if those are closest throw numbers, then that is a large jump in Native Contrast.

The other incredible thing is the Lumens range this projector has.
It can go down to 500 lumens in Lamp Low for a Best Mode Cinema, or 700 Lamp High, yet it can still do 1,600 in an alternate Near-Best Mode, or 2000+ in a pumped up but overly green mode. This is going to make it useable for both 2D and 3D even if you are using some gain screen, simply by just changing from the 1600 lumen mode back to the low lamp Best Mode and closing the IRIS.

That is more Lumens range than I've ever seen on any Home Theater projector I can think of (although there may be one that can get close to that range).

For people needing bigger screens for 3D, as
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1,600 Lumens at 6,500:1 Native Contrast and still gets somewhat near D65...
That is seriously almost mind blowing.

I'm not sure if the Native Contrast was measured at closest throw, mid-zoom, or farthest, but if those are closest throw numbers, then that is a large jump in Native Contrast.

The other incredible thing is the Lumens range this projector has.
It can go down to 500 lumens in Lamp Low for a Best Mode Cinema, or 700 Lamp High, yet it can still do 1,600 in an alternate Near-Best Mode, or 2000+ in a pumped up but overly green mode. This is going to make it useable for both 2D and 3D even if you are using some gain screen, simply by just changing from the 1600 lumen mode back to the low lamp Best Mode and closing the IRIS.

That is more Lumens range than I've ever seen on any Home Theater projector I can think of (although there may be one that can get close to that range).

For people needing bigger screens for 3D, as long as this projector does not GHOST too much, this will be the one to get, unless the Mits hc7800 turns up almost as bright.

It just blew by the others when it comes to Contrast + Lumens balance.

It doesn't have a manual iris, does it? I've looked but can't find this info.
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Any more news on when (if?) these will be released? November is fast approaching, and there isn't much information about the 61000/R4000 anywhere. Even less on the TW9000(W), it seems.
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